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cbabe

(4,145 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:39 PM Sunday

So it begins: watch the economy crumble/Haitian immigrants flee Springfield, Ohio, in droves after Trump election win

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/haitian-immigrants-springfield-ohio-trump-election

Haitian immigrants flee Springfield, Ohio, in droves after Trump election win

City subjected to false rumors from Trump loses residents integral to community over mass deportation fears

Stephen Starr in Springfield, Ohio
Sun 17 Nov 2024 09.00 EST

From a tiny office behind a Haitian grocery store on Springfield’s South Limestone Street, Margery Koveleski has spent years helping local Haitians overcome bureaucratic red tape to make their lives in the Ohio city a little bit easier.

But Koveleski – whose family is Haitian – has noticed a major change recently.

Haitians are now coming to her to figure out how to leave.

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So it begins: watch the economy crumble/Haitian immigrants flee Springfield, Ohio, in droves after Trump election win (Original Post) cbabe Sunday OP
Small town America is being kept alive by immigrants NickB79 Sunday #1
Oh yes bdamomma Sunday #11
Is it going to take years of suffering for them to change their minds? DSandra Sunday #14
Every time I read a story like this I want to hear that the CEO went to prison for hiring undocumented workers. Demobrat Sunday #22
Remember when I told y'all black folks are feeling betrayed? Blue_Tires Sunday #2
+1. Democrats should do whatever it takes to WIN dalton99a Sunday #5
This is how a depression begins. Spirals downward causes other businesses to lose money and Blue Full Moon Sunday #3
Look at Argentina bdamomma Sunday #12
They are going to get the rot out. Blue Full Moon Sunday #16
Many Ohioans voted for Trump because he promised to get rid of immigrants to make America great again. sop Sunday #4
Clark County Ohio 2024 General Election - Trump 62.4% Harris 34.8% hatrack Sunday #6
It's a good bet most Haitian immigrants were not able to vote due to not being citizens. LisaL Sunday #8
Guaranteed - they're all here on Temporary Protected Status hatrack Sunday #10
fucking racist fucks LymphocyteLover Sunday #21
White supremacists love pointing to Japan as the model for monoculture Yavin4 Sunday #7
That's the problem. Blue Full Moon Sunday #17
Absolutely. Yavin4 Sunday #18
The American economy - even before there was a US - as always depended TomSlick Sunday #9
America in a nutshell. Yavin4 Sunday #19
Yours is more colorful but we're saying the same thing. TomSlick 8 hrs ago #25
If you think that the price of eggs is expensive now Yavin4 7 hrs ago #27
Not even close. TomSlick 6 hrs ago #28
I'll be waiting for the outcome ThePartyThatListens Sunday #13
This reminds me of the "day without a Mexican" film DSandra Sunday #15
really sad-- I hate Trump-Vance with a passion LymphocyteLover Sunday #20
Trump is an AGENT of CHAOS Captain Zero 17 hrs ago #23
Absolutely.... what is outrageous is how many people refuse to see it or see it and are afraid to say it LymphocyteLover 15 hrs ago #24
And when the local economy crashes kerouac2 8 hrs ago #26

NickB79

(19,620 posts)
1. Small town America is being kept alive by immigrants
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:50 PM
Sunday

Speaking from personal experience. The overwhelmingly white residents are aging, having smaller families, and many of their children are moving away for college and better careers. You get rid of the immigrant influx, and the towns will wither and die. Businesses will close, hospitals will close, schools will have to cut programs as the tax base shrinks.

My mom's hometown has a Jenni-O turkey processing facility that is the biggest employer in the area. 2/3 of the workers are immigrants, or children of immigrants. My mom recently retired from there, and boy did she and all the other white people bitch about about the Hispanic and Somali employees. My sister manages a Burger King, and almost all her workers are Hispanic, so much so that she and her teenage daughter have learned Spanish just from working with them so long.

Rural Red America is slitting it's own throat by turning their backs on immigrants.

Demobrat

(9,781 posts)
22. Every time I read a story like this I want to hear that the CEO went to prison for hiring undocumented workers.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:33 PM
Sunday

But the story doesn’t go like that. American companies knowingly and willingly hire hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers, but it’s the workers themselves who are harassed punished, and forced to live in fear. Not the Americans who profit from their labor.

Blue_Tires

(55,746 posts)
2. Remember when I told y'all black folks are feeling betrayed?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:52 PM
Sunday

I still want to know why everyone has a hot take about Kamala's "messaging" when Donnie and JD literally by their own admission invented a smear against a LEGAL immigrant community...

I don't give a rat's ass anymore -- I want Dems in 2028 to be the masters of the dark arts of troll farms and spreading disinformation.

dalton99a

(84,220 posts)
5. +1. Democrats should do whatever it takes to WIN
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:18 PM
Sunday

(as long as it is not expressly forbidden by law or statutes)


bdamomma

(66,329 posts)
12. Look at Argentina
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:13 PM
Sunday

with their 50% of people living in poverty. The felon recently had the Argentinian leader at Mar A Loco. Comparing and sharing notes of Project 2025.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55yv0g0veo

sop

(11,162 posts)
4. Many Ohioans voted for Trump because he promised to get rid of immigrants to make America great again.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:14 PM
Sunday

And when their economy crumbles, Trump will tell them it's because taxes are too high and there are too many government regulations. And they'll believe him again.

Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
7. White supremacists love pointing to Japan as the model for monoculture
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:11 PM
Sunday

But what they do not understand is that Japan treats ALL of its workers well regardless of the jobs that they do. Their subways are clean bc they PAY their workers well to clean it. Their workers don't have to worry about healthcare or retirement.

We depend on immigrants and undocumented workers bc AMERICANS WON'T DO shitty jobs.

Blue Full Moon

(1,136 posts)
17. That's the problem.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:45 PM
Sunday

Every job in this country should be a living wage. So bringing immigrants in to do work that doesn't pay or have benefits is pretty much Human trafficking.

Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
18. Absolutely.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:14 PM
Sunday

But in America, you have to pay a wage so that workers can afford housing, healthcare, and transportation which means paying a minimum of $40K/year on average for every job. Now, if we build a ton more housing, more mass transit, single payer, as well as a more money to SS, then you can pay workers less. But we don't do that. We've created an economy where you have to make a lot of money just to have a dignified standard of living.

TomSlick

(11,872 posts)
9. The American economy - even before there was a US - as always depended
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:29 PM
Sunday

on either slave or cheap immigrant labor. If there is no cheap immigrant labor, the economy will crash.

TomSlick

(11,872 posts)
25. Yours is more colorful but we're saying the same thing.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:57 PM
8 hrs ago

If Trump deports too many undocumented workers, the economy will tank.

Captain Zero

(7,505 posts)
23. Trump is an AGENT of CHAOS
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 11:22 AM
17 hrs ago
This is more proof right here. And he is an asset/agent of Putin too. See the connection?

LymphocyteLover

(6,736 posts)
24. Absolutely.... what is outrageous is how many people refuse to see it or see it and are afraid to say it
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:20 PM
15 hrs ago
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