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WarGamer

(15,373 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:43 PM Sunday

What to understand about Cabinet Positions... they don't matter.

Merrick Garland doesn't research law in the library or assemble indictments... he doesn't speak to Grand Juries or Judges.

The SecDef doesn't order aircraft to FAB and control inventory of jet engine parts.



Cabinet Position leaders set a tone and get a veto on what happens.

For example.

If Matt Gaetz was AG, he'd sit at his desk and play with fidget toys while scanning PornHub and Tinder...

The REAL work at the DoJ is done of the Solicitor General and Deputy AG who are both experienced competent albeit RWNJ choices...

Like I've said before... it's very similar to Caligula appointing his horse to the Roman Senate... (note... expert Mary Beard says this is probably just a myth)

Nominating clowns to Cabinet Positions is just an F-U to the system who opposes Trump.

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Ocelot II

(120,776 posts)
2. Except that Trump intends to overhaul civil service
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:48 PM
Sunday

so he can replace neutral agency employees with his toadies.

Mike 03

(16,745 posts)
4. They matter if they trigger resignations
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:51 PM
Sunday

They also matter if they create an environment of paranoia and suspicion. I think they matter for a lot of other reasons too. They also can access confidential information within various institutions and use it for malign purposes. Erode trust in an institution. Destroy the reputation of a highly esteemed body, like the FBI or CDC. I could probably think of quite a few other reasons but I want to move along.

RockRaven

(16,251 posts)
5. On top of the F-U, it is also a "dance, puppets, dance!" to the media/Resistance set.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:52 PM
Sunday

And boy is everyone dancing...

dpibel

(3,314 posts)
10. Elie Mystal begs to differ...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:57 PM
Sunday
The MAGA bench is deep with frightening individuals who understand the immense power of the DOJ and are eager to deploy it against Trump’s enemies, their own enemies, the free press, and vulnerable people across the country. These people include functional Klansmen, who are just itching to get their hands on the FBI and would revel in bringing prosecutions against any Black person who dissents from their rule.


Do you believe Betsy DeVos had no effect? How about Bill Barr?

I'm thinking you may be overshooting on this one.

Igel

(36,075 posts)
11. Except that it's more than just "tone."
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:35 PM
Sunday

Important cases get sent up the chain of command for approval or discussion. Initiatives get sent down. Budgets go through the top members of each bureaucratic division.

Biden had a whole-of-government drive for DEI. Trump cancels it, it's up to cabinet officers to make sure their reports cancel things and report back on cancellation efforts and what can't be cancelled easily without other things being done--regulations, maybe request for tweaks to the law. When Biden pushed student-loan forgiveness when the FAFSA revision was due, somebody that wasn't just project manager for FAFSA had to get a report on how FAFSA was doing and decided to put money and staff to the presidential initiative; and when it flubbed up, somebody above had to talk to those in charge and relay and presidential displeasure and repurpose staff and funding--and when it wasn't ready the second year but more student loan forgiveness programs had been devised and even the code for it live on the Web, somebody that was between those staffers and the President was in the loop or was responsible for negligence.

There are court cases pending. When the DOJ guy gets appointed, it'll be his call to stop appealing those Biden lost or withdraw court cases that Biden's DOJ initiated. It's a common complaint on the right that very often NGOs sue and a colleague or (quasi-)ally in the government makes a weak case or no case so that a court settlement does something that is political in nature. If NGOs and the EPA do this, and it seems from the evidence I've seen that they probably do, why not Heritage Foundation and the DOE or some RW "environmental' group and Trump's EPA?

Now, maybe Trump's appointees will just punt on doing anything, but even then they have to sign off on reports and if the reports are corrupt that's their signature confirming their validity and risk having ketchup thrown at them.

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