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phylny

(8,581 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:36 PM Sunday

I have asked this before.

HOW does our government not know if citizens are colluding with Russia?

Tucker Carlson
Tulsi Gabbard
TSF
Elon Musk
Jill Stein

I feel like we’re the only ones who care. Our leaders are failing us. And frankly, I’m worried.

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Think. Again.

(17,833 posts)
1. If you ever find AG garland to ask him, let him know quite a few people are wondering what he's been doing with himself.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:48 PM
Sunday

Orrex

(64,094 posts)
13. He's been working to clear anonymous pawns from the board
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:44 PM
Sunday

So that Trump will have plenty of people to pardon and thereby render Garland truly superfluous.

lapfog_1

(30,138 posts)
2. The NSA listens in on almost all communications between any USA based person
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:48 PM
Sunday

and people outside the USA. If the communication is encrypted, they attempt to de-crypt it. The NSA is one of the first adopters of AI that tries to determine what is being said. Up to now, it is a lot of key word flags... now I would assume it is context driven as well as key word.

This is why the NSA is one of the largest consumers of supercomputers in the world. Has been since the field was invented.

In addition, any communication between certain persons of interest ( either on our side or the outside world ) might actually have a person listen in and write a report on what is said or communicated. This would include government workers, politicians, reporters, industrialists and especially people suspected of terrorism. Also certain people in finance, etc.

That said, what is in those reports about such conversations is classified.

There are other communications also captured... I don't know the current rules... but it used to be US citizen to US citizen where both or all parties are currently located within the USA were excluded.

https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

They don't even try to hide it anymore


When I was, umm. involved... with the "Brown Company" the NSA was never even talked about outside of Intelligence services... never mind what it did.

I think the sign in that picture is photoshopped. The Utah Data Center is real.


markodochartaigh

(2,044 posts)
7. I remember when they were first building the
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:56 PM
Sunday

Utah Data Center, the NSA director said that they were not going to use the information they got to go after people. He said that they would just use the information to make connections between people and groups. I wonder how their mission will change under authoritarian rule.

phylny

(8,581 posts)
3. My brother worked with the NSA in the late 70s
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:56 PM
Sunday

I just can’t understand how people aren’t being held accountable.

Skittles

(159,061 posts)
4. how can someone who could not pass a background check be allowed to be president?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:14 PM
Sunday

NONE of this makes any sense to me

ancianita

(38,478 posts)
6. Who could prosecute him that won't be fired on Jan 20 next year? That would include the FBI, top to bottom.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:51 PM
Sunday

Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
8. Institutional power, like our govt agencies, are only as strong as the people who lead them.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:00 PM
Sunday

Pay off enough people and institutions crumble. Putin has invested well throughout the West. He has manipulated people here and in the UK. That's how you get Brexit and Trump.

ancianita

(38,478 posts)
9. Our government likely DOES know. First, the NSA monitors calls with foreign countries.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:08 PM
Sunday

It holds that intelligence, which goes up the line to appropriate department heads.

And if you care about security clearance...

For people that require a security clearance to get access to classified information, an in-depth background investigation is conducted primarily by the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency, and the recipient signs a nondisclosure agreement.[2][3][4]

It's handled by the Defense Department, not the DOJ, as too many here claim. Specifically, the DoD has a directorate called
Counterintelligence & Insider Threat
DoD Insider Threat Management and Analysis Center (DITMAC) that very well can document all comms with Russia, along with the NSA.

None of this international stuff is within the jurisdiction of the DOJ to investigate. Until the DOJ gets a criminal referral from other agencies of government (like the Treasury, DoD, or NSA) then the DOJ can work with the FISA court to get search warrants or wiretapping warrants, and proceed with grand juries from there.

It's the 3rd biggest country on the planet with 50 state, and 13 federal jurisdictions, along with the massive federal/international caseloads managed by the DOJ at all these court levels.
So good luck with getting instant/fast food justice.

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