Greg Sargent Podcast: Krugman: Trump Voters About to Be Shocked at How Badly He Scammed Them

[Dennis Donovan]

Greg Sargent Podcast - (archived: https://archive.md/JMoCK ) Krugman: Trump Voters About to Be Shocked at How Badly He Scammed Them

As Trump’s personnel choices signal mass deportations are coming, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman explains how this will spike inflation—and why Trump voters will soon realize they’ve been had.

The Daily Blast with Greg Sargent

November 13, 2024

Donald Trump has picked three anti-immigrant hard-liners for his administration: Stephen Miller will be deputy chief of staff for policy; Tom Homan, his former head of ICE, will be “border czar”; and South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem will be Homeland Security secretary. Which means Trump will act on his threat to carry out mass deportations. We talked to New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, who has a great new column arguing that mass deportations will cause a large spike in inflation. He explains why Trump’s policies will likely backfire, how he’ll corrupt government information to cover it up, and why Trump voters may soon be shocked at how badly he misled them. Listen to this episode here. A transcript is here.

[kerouac2]

1. How will they find out about what he did?

His sheeple will be told exactly who to blame. Dems will be labeled as obstructionists. If they vote more Dems out, surely he will be able to make all their dreams come true. Might need more than four years though, so you know, need to do something about that whole term limit thing...

[Mr. Mustard 2023]

23. I agree with you 100%

[Cosmocat]

24. Winner, Chicken Dinner

All the insane and cruel things they are going to do will be blamed on the "left" in some nebulous or inane way, which their base will lap up like cookie and cream ice cream, the media will nod and most outside of us tearing our hair out, the rest of the country will chew its cuds.

[brer cat]

2. Good read. K&R

[Vinca]

3. I saw an interview with a farmer in California who grows both fruits and vegetables - lots of them.

He said this will result in crops rotting in the fields. He also said he'd hire American workers, but they don't want to do the work at any price. Sure glad I still have my vegetable garden.

[Jit423]

25. Bigtime farmers don't really care. They will receive huge subsidies (welfare) from the Trump administration.

They actually lose nothing, get huge subsidies, and huge tax breaks and probably make out better than if they actually had to do the work of farming and managing workers. It happened under Trump when he was in office before.

If the farmers were actually going to take a big hit as they are predicting, they would all be out in the street protesting. They aren't. The only farmers that suffered before under Trump were black farmers and those with small family farms trying to actually make a living off of farming. Others have turned their ground into marihuana cash cows and let the food be damned. If you really want to know why your food is so high learn about it. Legal weed is part of the problem. It is making millionaires out of white farmers and franchise holders as thousands of black customers sit in jails around the country and their families suffer.

[keep_left]

30. I'm pretty sure that those farmers Trump bought off are on highly-automated...

...farms, growing crops or raising livestock that is suited to automation. The two kinds of farms I kept hearing about were soybean and pork producers. And you're right, Trump bought them off quite successfully, with huge subsidies that had to be paid to offset his disastrous agricultural tariffs that led to US farmers losing to those in Brazil (and led to higher grocery prices here, a double tax on the American consumer). But if Trump continues with the tariff and immigration wars, he will find that winning them is not so easy; there are other agricultural products that require much more human labor (e.g. most vegetables), and the results could be a lot worse for both farmers and consumers here in the US.

[CatWoman]

29. Georgia went thru that a few years back

Ga. immigrant crackdown backfires

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal’s program to replace fleeing migrant farmworkers with probationers backfired when some of the convicted criminals started walking off their jobs because field work was too strenuous, it was reported Wednesday.

And the state’s farms could lose up to $1 billion if crops continue to go unpicked and rot, the president of the Georgia Agribusiness Council warned.

In a story datelined Leslie, in rural south Georgia, The Associated Press writes of convicts calling it quits at 3:25 p.m. — more than 2½ hours before the crew of Mexicans and Guatemalans they replaced.

“Those guys out here weren’t out there 30 minutes and they got the bucket and just threw them in the air and say, `Bonk this. I ain’t with this. I can’t do this,’” said Jermond Powell, a 33-year-old probationer working at a farm in Leslie. “They just left, took off across the field walking.”

Georgia, which passed an Arizona-style immigration bill in April that is due to take effect next month, has seen thousands of undocumented immigrants flee the state. A state survey released last week found 11,080 vacant positions on state farms that needed to be filled to avoid losing crops.

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdown-backfires-057551

[Ray Bruns]

4. They haven't noticed so far. What makes Krugman think they will now?

[Lonestarblue]

5. Trump voters will be happy so long as Trump tells them how many of the people they hate he has hurt.

They’ll see it as a small price to pay if all women are forced to have babies, LGBTQ+ lose all rights, all undocumented people are deported, and minorities are relegated to the bottom of the list for education and jobs so that uneducated white men can finally get ahead.

[orwell]

6. Don't worry...

...it will be all Biden's fault.

See how easy that is?

[Red Mountain]

7. Elon said there was going to be some pain

but it'll all be better in the end.

I think that will be enough for the faithful.

Swing voters, not so much.

[Irish_Dem]

9. All pain will be blamed on the Dems.

And the voters will believe it.

[TomCADem]

22. You Betcha that Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Tate, Etc.

…and all the influencers that young men listen to on social media will be blaming women and Democrats.

[Irish_Dem]

27. Once the immigrants are deported they will need to move other scapegoats

to the head of the list.

Women, Gays, Dems are up next.

[keep_left]

31. It reminds me of a line from a song years ago...

..."it's that fool on television getting paid to play the fool".

[Solly Mack]

8. Trump will claim it is the "Deep State" working against him to keep prices high and that he is working

to "drain the swamp" but that Joe Biden spent 4 years making sure that the "Deep State" is even more entrenched.

His supporters will continue to believe that the "Deep State" - lead by the Democratic Party and Joe Biden - is the enemy.

These folks have a sickness that reality does not cure. Facts will never bring down their fever of hate.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes exactly.

No matter how long the Dems are out of office, the GOP will always tie everything bad back to them.
The voters will believe it.

[Solly Mack]

14. Sadly, yes.

[jeffreyi]

11. I believe that times very well might become darker than we can accept right now.

The Dixie Fire, going through everything, nation-wide. Maybe there is something to that crazy prepper stuff after all. I wonder what "general discussion" will be like a year from now. If it's still around, that is. I feel like meeting with my friends, what do we do if this, that, or the other disappears.

[Orrex]

12. Krugman can't possibly be this naive

Paul Krugman explains how this will spike inflation—and why Trump voters will soon realize they’ve been had.

Seriously? At this point, who still believes that Trump's fuckhead KKKultists are capable of this kind of self-reflection?

Yes, a few outliers might wake up and realize that they've helped fuck themselves, but the vast majority will simply blame Democrats and "illegals," exactly as their sacred orange prolapse tells them to do. And the media absolutely won't do anything to convince them otherwise.

Even if Trump himself told his fuckheads that he'd conned them, they wouldn't care.

[Ligyron]

13. Maybe the high price of food or absence of it will get their attention.

Enough of them may see the light and vote these bomb throwers out of office in 2 years?

Yeah, I'm a hopeless optimist and a romantic...

[allegorical oracle]

15. Thanks for the post. From my kitchen window, I can see a watermelon farm field that's

planted/harvested about every three years. The pickers arrive via delapidated school buses about 6:30 am. Trucks come in and the picked melons are tossed up to workers in the truck bed. Temperatures are rising into the mid-80s.

This continues until about 11:30 am when the workers rest in the shade of the trucks to eat a bagged lunch and take water. They resume picking until 6:00 pm. That's eleven hours of incredibly hard labor, with one break, in temperatures that easily reach 90+ scorching degrees.

It's laughable that JD Vance thinks the average American worker is going to rush to take those jobs. Even dairies around this area have a hard time keeping labor (they pay less than $10/hr) and those jobs are less rigorous.

[Hugin]

18. This is why it's impossible to find a good cantelope.

Back when labor was cheaper and reliable, there used to be regular passes over a field. The pickers would only pick ripe melons. They really knew what they were doing.

Now, not so much. The whole field is harvested a few times and every melon that appears to be salable ( no, I didn’t say ripe. ) is picked. More than half of them are green. So green that no method of home ripening is going to work.

I guess the tech bros could make a $10 M AI robot who spouts customer service gibberish that could pick the melons. But, that would be stupid.

[S/V Loner]

16. When it goes to shit the...

Democrats will get the blame with little media blowback.
Count on it.

[TomCADem]

20. Media is dead. Long live social media and influencers.

More than 50% of people under 40 get their news and information from social media, rather than traditional media.

[WilliamPlanke]

17. I have a different take ...

If ~49% did vote D then the next purple state elections in 2025 can flip from R to D. All over the country in many surprising places probably. The political critters will watch this happen and know that the 2026 federal/state elections will further tilt towards D majorities.

I’m counting on local, county and state level shifts away from Republican policies to happen first.

Another point… we should stop saying “Trump” policies and just call them “Republican”, that way the whole party is blamed, locally, not just Trump.

[TomCADem]

19. Not Really. They Will Be Safely Ignorant In Their Social Media Cocoon

This assumes that the social media channels or influencers they listen to will provide accurate information. To the contrary, if they are mainly listening to Joe Rogan or Ben Shapiro podcasts, they will either be blissfully ignorant or cheering on like Germans cheering Nazis as they round up Jews.

[SpankMe]

21. Frankly, I care little about the economic ramifications

I'm more concerned with the humanity and morality of the operation. The armed raids on homes, schools and businesses. Rounding up people of primarily one ethnicity. The creation and use of detention camps. The idea that he wishes to deport 20 million people. The fact that many, many innocent people will get caught up in this.

There will be violence. There will be loss of life. There will be child separations...and worse. People of a certain political ilk will be enriched.

Focusing on how mass deportations will affect inflation is like focusing on how the holocaust will affect gold and diamond prices. It misses the point.

[gab13by13]

26. Putin doesn't care.

[republianmushroom]

28. Going to be a hard lesson. And everybody is going to feel the pain.

There is going to be a lot of, but, but, but, he said.