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DV1

(74 posts)
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:47 PM 15 hrs ago

What is all this afraidness?

For some time now I've been seeing stories about retribution, revenge, etc., about what Trump is going to do with some writers bringing up scenarios of an American Stasi or Gestapo roaming the streets and government. We are not in the Germany of the 40s/50s. There are not going to be 'Red Shirts' patrolling the streets. Do you think urban areas are going to put up with that? You think Southside Chicago, East LA, and other areas are going to be easy takeovers? I may be wrong but from what I've seen here at DU it doesn't seem to me like many commenters here would put up with that crap. And do you think the majority of'suckers' and 'losers' in the Armed Forces are going to put down their firearms and raise their hands in surrender?

So, to all those opinion writers, pundits and others who are having 'Oh woes me!' seizures, enough already. It's not going to happen. Using the word 'resistance' might create all types of scenarios in theory and imagination but resistance, in reality – on the streets, well, let's just say it's not a pretty thing that'll quickly reduce the numbers of online 'warriors' for Trump. It's one thing to aim a few invectives on a keyboard but another thing if the invectives are whizzing by you at 2700 or more feet per second. Comprende?

Do you know who really is afraid? Donald J. Trump. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place of millions who wish his name was already in the obituaries and his Keystone Kops accomplices who wish for domination. But ol' Donny is not that stupid. He knows that that he can only push the envelope so far because he knows that if it 'rips' — then it's game over. Even the most adept con men will tell you that you want to avoid ripping up the game to where there is no endgame for anyone. It's an empty Lazy Susan.

Anyway, thank you for reading this little Monday morning rant. I think I may have added extra coffee in the filter. I'm good with it.

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What is all this afraidness? (Original Post) DV1 15 hrs ago OP
N/A atreides1 15 hrs ago #1
Who are you kidding???? Stargazer99 15 hrs ago #2
I have learned that when someone says he will do something, no matter how JohnSJ 15 hrs ago #3
One thing I've learned long ago... LuckyCharms 15 hrs ago #4
It's going to be horrific. So you believe project 2025 has no chance with them mucifer 15 hrs ago #5
Do you think the USA will allow DV1 15 hrs ago #13
The United States of America may not, but the dissonant states of mutual distrust may be too distracted to care. jaxexpat 13 hrs ago #19
Define "USA". TBF 13 hrs ago #21
We, the people, are the USA. DV1 12 hrs ago #22
I suppose you are correct TBF 10 hrs ago #24
And I did think about your post when I was reading about the TBF 10 hrs ago #25
Well, yes, I think that was the whole idea zorbasd 10 hrs ago #34
I'm not seeing any coherent response to stop it. jmbar2 8 hrs ago #39
Oh really? milestogo 15 hrs ago #6
Get back to us BigMin28 15 hrs ago #7
No one is permanently unstoppable. DV1 15 hrs ago #9
Maybe what people fear is that no one will stop him n/t leftstreet 15 hrs ago #10
Then.. DV1 14 hrs ago #15
I never said he was unstoppable BigMin28 14 hrs ago #17
Let me repeat something in a different way: DV1 13 hrs ago #20
He can seriously weaken social security and Medicare qazplm135 10 hrs ago #31
Hey, nice glasses! Think. Again. 15 hrs ago #8
He cannot be permitted to break our laws the way he did the last time. kentuck 15 hrs ago #11
Every relentless second. DV1 14 hrs ago #16
In the movie Casablanca, the character Rick played by bogey says to the Nazi Walleye 15 hrs ago #12
Yes. DV1 15 hrs ago #14
Grow up Nigrum Cattus 13 hrs ago #18
What is all this predicting the future? liberalmediaaddict 11 hrs ago #23
Have you ever lived or spent time in an occupied or fascist country? Irish_Dem 10 hrs ago #26
Many people are scared by angry clowns /nt Blappy 10 hrs ago #27
Ask all the poll workers, lawyers and journalists who have had to move kerry-is-my-prez 10 hrs ago #28
We already know what's going to happen. P2025 laid it all out. BlueTsunami2018 10 hrs ago #29
Those who don't depend on SS, medicare, medicaid or other government programs really won't have yaesu 10 hrs ago #30
or if you happen to be a woman stillcool 10 hrs ago #32
A march of neo-Nazis in Columbus, Ohio, over the weekend Emile 10 hrs ago #33
There are bdamomma 9 hrs ago #37
I Think You Should Ask Joe & Mika!!!....nt global1 9 hrs ago #35
Are you brown or black? LGBTQ? Muslim? Female? Coventina 9 hrs ago #36
We aren't who you need to bargain with. TheKentuckian 9 hrs ago #38
That psychopath is not afraid of anything. He has all the power now & he's using even before officially takes office . msfiddlestix 8 hrs ago #40

JohnSJ

(96,476 posts)
3. I have learned that when someone says he will do something, no matter how
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:53 PM
15 hrs ago

cruel or authoritarian, believe him.

LuckyCharms

(18,939 posts)
4. One thing I've learned long ago...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:53 PM
15 hrs ago

Anything can happen.

January 6 wasn't exactly a picnic with wine and cheese.

The pandemic wasn't dinner and a movie.

So I guess we'll see.

mucifer

(24,820 posts)
5. It's going to be horrific. So you believe project 2025 has no chance with them
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:56 PM
15 hrs ago

controlling every aspect of government?

DV1

(74 posts)
13. Do you think the USA will allow
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:34 PM
15 hrs ago

anything 'domestically' to destabilize its position 'globally'? I don't think so.

jaxexpat

(7,762 posts)
19. The United States of America may not, but the dissonant states of mutual distrust may be too distracted to care.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:01 PM
13 hrs ago

TBF

(34,260 posts)
21. Define "USA".
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:28 PM
13 hrs ago

I would appreciate specifics. He has the executive branch, the judiciary, and the legislature. His first act of business is to replace generals so he can turn the military on any dissent. Who is this "USA" that is going to stop him?

DV1

(74 posts)
22. We, the people, are the USA.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:28 PM
12 hrs ago

And believe it or not, there are people amongst us who if they discover that those mentioned branches have been really compromised from their original intent, they will shake those branches free of the offending disease. This has been done before and in most cases none of us know anything about it. So, before you go around thinking that you and all of us are just walking casualties, Trump and Co., mostly Co., are even more cautious of what the future holds for them. The party is fun while it's happening, but all parties end and then comes the clean-up. Of course, and unless age has made him sloppy, Trump will make sure he's not the one to do any cleaning.

As for the military, well, even Trump knows there's no guarantees there. None.

If that's not specific enough then give me a detailed specific and I will answer accordingly.

TBF

(34,260 posts)
24. I suppose you are correct
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:46 PM
10 hrs ago

even here in TX, I'm sure there are areas of Houston in which Donald et al would not be welcome. I personally would not want to be the one trying to deport a Salvadoran gang member.

TBF

(34,260 posts)
25. And I did think about your post when I was reading about the
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:54 PM
10 hrs ago

Wall Street Journal editorial "Disruption Won’t Work at Treasury - Musk gives bad advice to Trump on financial policy-making." It was printed yesterday, and today Trump has "widened his search" for a new Secretary of the Treasury. Trump certainly heard their criticisms loud and clear.

zorbasd

(195 posts)
34. Well, yes, I think that was the whole idea
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:37 PM
10 hrs ago

of this election. Choosing a country that will continue to advance globally, or choosing for a country to decline globally and exponentially. The people chose the later.

jmbar2

(6,085 posts)
39. I'm not seeing any coherent response to stop it.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:50 PM
8 hrs ago

He and his cronies seem completely immune to any legal or ethical constraints. They rejoice in harming vulnerable people.

BigMin28

(1,446 posts)
7. Get back to us
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:00 PM
15 hrs ago

After his speech on January 20th. I think we will be horrified. Remember his 1st inauguration speech about American carnage?
He thinks he unstoppable this time.

DV1

(74 posts)
9. No one is permanently unstoppable.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:18 PM
15 hrs ago

Trump himself knows that he can be 'stopped' at any time. In all of his considerations, that will always be on the back-burner especially this time 'round.

BigMin28

(1,446 posts)
17. I never said he was unstoppable
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:02 PM
14 hrs ago

I said he believes he is now. That makes him dangerous. Given the fact that Congress and it appears the courts back him, he is capable of doing great damage and harm. His administration will have things ready to hit the ground running this time around. They have been preparing for 4 years.

DV1

(74 posts)
20. Let me repeat something in a different way:
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:22 PM
13 hrs ago

Donald Trump will not do anything to damage and harm the USA irreparably. Let the United States of America and all that its people have endured and struggled for two and half centuries be destroyed by the whims of a New York City construction con man? No, that's not going to happen. Trump himself knows this. And while people on the outside are crying the sky is falling, the end of the world, and so on, Trump is just wondering to himself if he can even make it through this four-year sentence and hoping whoever waits for him outside on his release is friendly. In short, if it were up to him, Trump would be as far away from Washington D.C. as possible. But he's got four more years on a leash and he's not going to upset the hand holding it by doing something irreparable.

Follow Trump's doings for the next four years. You just might catch a glimpse of the leash at work.

Now, what if Trump was a real madman who wanted to take down the USA and the world along with him? If that had really been the case, we wouldn't be talking about him now.

qazplm135

(7,492 posts)
31. He can seriously weaken social security and Medicare
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:15 PM
10 hrs ago

That will end up killing people and hurting others
He can get rid of military disability compensation for retirees, it's right there in Project 2025.

He can fill the courts with ultra conservatives for a generation of not two.

He can gut the entire federal workforce.

He can gut 100 federal programs and policies.

He can deport or place into camps 10 million people or more

He can add tens of trillions to the national debt

He can allow Russia and China to take Ukraine and Taiwan

He can allow another pandemic with crazy vaccination policies

Those are just off the top of my head. Telling folks to not be so worried about that and more is, well, if I said what I really think I'd get banned.

kentuck

(112,751 posts)
11. He cannot be permitted to break our laws the way he did the last time.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:23 PM
15 hrs ago

They should be on his case every minute of the day.

Walleye

(35,540 posts)
12. In the movie Casablanca, the character Rick played by bogey says to the Nazi
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:25 PM
15 hrs ago

“There are some parts of New York I’d advise you not to invade”

liberalmediaaddict

(935 posts)
23. What is all this predicting the future?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:48 PM
11 hrs ago

The truth is none of us have any idea what a Trump administration, Republican congress and conservative Supreme Court is capable of. Not even Trump voters.
That's why anyone paying attention is freaking out.

None of us could predict how the first Trump term would go but we all know how it ended. Even though a large part of the electorate wiped the year 2020 from their memory.

Trump hasn't gotten saner or less corrupt since he left office. Or more presidential. His cabinet picks prove that. As of right now that's all we know for sure about this aspiring dictator.

Irish_Dem

(57,038 posts)
26. Have you ever lived or spent time in an occupied or fascist country?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:59 PM
10 hrs ago

I have.

It can happen here and this is where we are headed.

Americans are naive and spoiled. We take every single thing we have for granted.

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,186 posts)
28. Ask all the poll workers, lawyers and journalists who have had to move
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:06 PM
10 hrs ago

and have gotten death threats. All it takes is to get some right-winger mad at you and have them post your address and phone number on the RW web sites.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,991 posts)
29. We already know what's going to happen. P2025 laid it all out.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:06 PM
10 hrs ago

They have all three branches and ALEC style legislation already printed out and ready to be rubber stamped. They’re going to move faster than you’ve ever seen Congress do anything. The destruction will be swift and brutal. They don’t give a shit who gets hurt and there’s going to be nothing anyone can do about it. They’ve already said they’re going to be using the military for their sick deportation plans, the next logical step is using it to squash protests.

People are right to be terrified of what’s to come. I take these sons of bitches at their word.

yaesu

(8,222 posts)
30. Those who don't depend on SS, medicare, medicaid or other government programs really won't have
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:10 PM
10 hrs ago

much to be worried about other than WWIII, economic collapse or being the laughing stock of the world. Everyone else's lives will be devastated by 4 + years of fascism. You can't uncook a chicken or a democracy.

stillcool

(32,763 posts)
32. or if you happen to be a woman
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:24 PM
10 hrs ago

black, latino, or whatever flavor of the month the GOP chooses to hate on.

Emile

(29,707 posts)
33. A march of neo-Nazis in Columbus, Ohio, over the weekend
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:35 PM
10 hrs ago

was just a coincidence. I think they feel emboldened with the election of their dear leader Trump. What do you think?

bdamomma

(66,329 posts)
37. There are
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:07 PM
9 hrs ago

more of us than them. In our history, we never went down without a fight, so are we capitulating to their sick ideology and to this sick felon???? Time will tell.

TheKentuckian

(26,134 posts)
38. We aren't who you need to bargain with.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:34 PM
9 hrs ago

Best wishes convincing the person in the mirror.

The certainty expressed seems like a paper mache mask rather than the real McCoy but that is just an impression from well outside your skull, maybe you believe it but I am just picking up what comes across as a Jenga built on exceptionalism.

msfiddlestix

(7,803 posts)
40. That psychopath is not afraid of anything. He has all the power now & he's using even before officially takes office .
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:59 PM
8 hrs ago

of course our worse nightmare just came true, it was not irrational of us to see very dark forces overwhelming the electorate.

But it is in my mind quite irrational for us not to recognize at this juncture. he accomplishing a great deal before he's even in office.

Oh yeah, don't forget to thank Garland for handing our justice dept. security and democracy over to him and his gangster mob on a silver platter.. like we didn't see this coming three years ago.

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