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Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:18 PM 15 hrs ago

Raw Story: WSJ editorial warns Elon Musk's 'blow-it-all-up' ideas will devastate U.S. economy

The board argued, "Our concern isn't personalities so much as Mr. Musk's apparent belief in economic-policy disruption for its own sake. Treasury isn't the Education Department, or Defense, and financial markets don't want to trade one form of policy uncertainty for another. Steady and knowledgeable economic policy hands are needed if Mr. Trump wants to succeed."


https://www.rawstory.com/wsj-editorial-warns-elon-musks-blow-it-all-up-ideas-will-devastate-u-s-economy/

In short, the WSJ's editorial board is saying feel free to fuck up the entire federal govt, but do not fuck with our money.
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Raw Story: WSJ editorial warns Elon Musk's 'blow-it-all-up' ideas will devastate U.S. economy (Original Post) Yavin4 15 hrs ago OP
Just talk of defaulting on the debt can cause the market to crater. Walleye 15 hrs ago #1
Truly amazing that people think that Trump's craziness won't affect them. Yavin4 15 hrs ago #3
The economy crashes dweller 15 hrs ago #7
If the chickens don't all die, of bird flu Walleye 15 hrs ago #9
Not exactly trash it ... dweller 14 hrs ago #11
Oh, especially the USDA not fooled 13 hrs ago #22
You would think that if they were so good markodochartaigh 13 hrs ago #26
But of course Tweedy 13 hrs ago #28
And getting rid of most of the agricultural workforce Bettie 12 hrs ago #31
The plan is to bring back the Bracero program Tweedy 9 hrs ago #43
They really are just Bettie 7 hrs ago #49
Me looking at my flock of 20 chickens NickB79 13 hrs ago #29
The market hates uncertainty more than anything. Dulcinea 15 hrs ago #8
That's the plan. They've said as much all along Docreed2003 15 hrs ago #2
Few take Trump at his word. Yavin4 15 hrs ago #5
"Ha ha. Suckers and Losers!" - G.O.P.'s Secret Komrade BoRaGard 15 hrs ago #4
Putin ain't doing all of this so that America is economically strong. Yavin4 15 hrs ago #6
WORLD Codifer 13 hrs ago #23
Not so fast, my friend Yavin4 12 hrs ago #38
Well, Codifer 11 hrs ago #39
Putin takes the West. China takes the East. Yavin4 10 hrs ago #40
Sure seems to be working. rubbersole 13 hrs ago #25
He knows that the West is run by thoroughly corrupt leaders and the people are dumb and racists. Yavin4 12 hrs ago #37
No shit. Solly Mack 15 hrs ago #10
But then he can buy it all up at 25 cents on the dollar. louis-t 14 hrs ago #12
The guy is worth over 300 billion dollars. What does he care? patphil 14 hrs ago #13
Bitcoin will be the new currency to replace the dollar. rubbersole 13 hrs ago #27
That is a scary thought indeed. patphil 9 hrs ago #44
Elon bdamomma 8 hrs ago #45
So the WSJ wants 'steady and knowledgeable economic policy'. Biophilic 14 hrs ago #14
they very much helped to create that monster Skittles 12 hrs ago #34
Where was this editorial before the election? nt City Lights 14 hrs ago #15
THIS SunSeeker 13 hrs ago #21
Not fair for the rich... Johnny2X2X 14 hrs ago #16
Just remember bdamomma 8 hrs ago #46
The goal is to destroy the US economy. Irish_Dem 14 hrs ago #17
They assume Trump's idea of success is for America to "be better" relayerbob 13 hrs ago #18
What's new... orwell 13 hrs ago #19
Yes they will Nigrum Cattus 13 hrs ago #20
Disaster capitalism. Surely they knew rainin 13 hrs ago #24
Translated: current rich people will lose money and houses and stuff no_hypocrisy 12 hrs ago #30
Will they bdamomma 8 hrs ago #47
Seems you might have wanted to remind your investment class readers exboyfil 12 hrs ago #32
LOL, these assholes Skittles 12 hrs ago #33
The Market may be the only thing that can reign Trump in - TBF 12 hrs ago #35
Oh Wall Street Journal bronxiteforever 12 hrs ago #36
No shit, Sherlock Iris 10 hrs ago #41
They could have warned people before the election Thrill 10 hrs ago #42
Liz Truss tried a bit of "disrupting" as UK Prime Minister Emrys 8 hrs ago #48

Walleye

(35,540 posts)
1. Just talk of defaulting on the debt can cause the market to crater.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:20 PM
15 hrs ago

But cheer up Republicans, if the economy crashes, the price of eggs will probably come down

Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
3. Truly amazing that people think that Trump's craziness won't affect them.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:21 PM
15 hrs ago

Everyone sees what they want to see in Trump instead of the truth that's right in front of them.

Walleye

(35,540 posts)
9. If the chickens don't all die, of bird flu
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:29 PM
15 hrs ago

Do they also intend to trash the agriculture department?

not fooled

(6,070 posts)
22. Oh, especially the USDA
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:59 PM
13 hrs ago

For some reason it's been a particular object of hatred for the RW loons. Expect attempts by know-nothings to gut the USDA except perhaps for the parts that facilitate agricultural exports (because other countries aren't as stupid as the US and don't want our pests and diseases).

I used to know several USDA employees with great jobs (relatively high salaries, excellent benefits) that were enthusiastic red don supporters. I still remember how relieved they were that the country dodged a bullet when Hillary didn't become president. Wonder how they feel now. Bunch of ignorant dumbasses, they were.

markodochartaigh

(2,044 posts)
26. You would think that if they were so good
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:15 PM
13 hrs ago

at reading chicken entrails, they could see what would come of voting for Trump.

Tweedy

(1,133 posts)
28. But of course
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:23 PM
13 hrs ago

While simultaneously ending SNAP and forbidding the use of fertilizers or pesticides without any scientific advice about how to still grow crops apparently.

Right now, it looks like the goal is to destroy as much of our economic successes as possible. Why? Idk. Do they want to buy distressed property cheap? Do they hate the United States this badly? Ignorance? Arrogance?
It doesn’t really matter why. Stupid destructive crapola is coming.

Bettie

(17,044 posts)
31. And getting rid of most of the agricultural workforce
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:46 PM
12 hrs ago

don't forget that piece of the pile of excrement!

Eloon works directly for Putin. Funny thing is that he thinks he will do well after destroying the US for him, but he'll really just get the usual flying lessons from a window.

Tweedy

(1,133 posts)
43. The plan is to bring back the Bracero program
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:09 PM
9 hrs ago

I think
All the horrors you can imagine for immigrant farm workers and nobody to care if they die while trying to work.

Basically the notion is to turn the farm into a Pullman’s village during harvest and planting season so the workers owe all of their wages to the company store and some don’t survive the experience.

Dulcinea

(7,460 posts)
8. The market hates uncertainty more than anything.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:27 PM
15 hrs ago

That alone will mess with the economy, and people still probably won't get cheap gas & groceries.

Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
5. Few take Trump at his word.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:24 PM
15 hrs ago

Everybody interprets what he says and thinks that his instability won't negatively affect them.

Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
6. Putin ain't doing all of this so that America is economically strong.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:25 PM
15 hrs ago

That's not his end goal. His end goal is complete control of the West.

Yavin4

(36,315 posts)
37. He knows that the West is run by thoroughly corrupt leaders and the people are dumb and racists.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:16 PM
12 hrs ago

He is simply exploiting our weaknesses. Us normies expected our highly vaunted institutions to protect us, but we failed to understand that our institutions are only as strong as the people who run them.

patphil

(6,933 posts)
13. The guy is worth over 300 billion dollars. What does he care?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:43 PM
14 hrs ago

I don't think the WSJ understands what it is that Donald Trump wants to succeed at.
Also, Musk contributed over 100 million dollars to Trump's campaign. He's going to reward Musk, even if it hurts a whole lot of people; something Musk has already says will happen.
So, Musk obviously plans to sell high before the shit hits the fan, and then buy at bargain prices after the crash.
The rich can get richer in times of economic turmoil if they know what's coming. And, Musk knows what his plans and actions will do to the economy.

rubbersole

(8,482 posts)
27. Bitcoin will be the new currency to replace the dollar.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:16 PM
13 hrs ago

Thank you, Elon. Please, some more of your genius for us peons...

bdamomma

(66,329 posts)
45. Elon
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:40 PM
8 hrs ago

wants the dollar to crash and then introduce cryptocurrency. Elon needs to get his ass out of the US, he's wants to bring South African Apartheid to the US. Vance, Peter Thiel. and Paul Furber.

Read below:

https://archive.ph/20240920072546/https://www.ft.com/content/cfbfa1e8-d8f8-42b9-b74c-dae6cc6185a0

Biophilic

(4,707 posts)
14. So the WSJ wants 'steady and knowledgeable economic policy'.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:17 PM
14 hrs ago

Yup, I fully expect that will come out of trump’s administration. They are just the people to do it. I don’t know whether to laugh hysterically or cry. I can’t believe the WSJ actually said that.

Skittles

(159,061 posts)
34. they very much helped to create that monster
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:02 PM
12 hrs ago

NOW they are concerned the monster may do, well, monstrous things

Johnny2X2X

(21,733 posts)
16. Not fair for the rich...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:27 PM
14 hrs ago

I think people have to realize that Musk and Trump want to blow it all up, not because they don't think the system works for regular people, but because they think it works too well for regular people. Republicans think working people have it too easy, they think people are lazy and need to work harder for less.

Their whole goal for blowing it all up is to make it easier for the rich to benefit the most from a new system and to ensure the rich have the benefit of preying on working people without government inteference.

That's what this is all about, the rich got sick of draining the working class little by little and decided to take it all at once.

bdamomma

(66,329 posts)
46. Just remember
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:46 PM
8 hrs ago

that word "hardship". It's very criminal of them to loot our ACA, SS and other initiatives we have had. All they do is lie, cheat and steal, I hope that they choke on that greed. They have no respect for us whatsoever. They think we are all ignorant (some are).

Irish_Dem

(57,038 posts)
17. The goal is to destroy the US economy.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:31 PM
14 hrs ago

Billionaires can buy up everything ten cents on the dollar.

relayerbob

(7,013 posts)
18. They assume Trump's idea of success is for America to "be better"
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:39 PM
13 hrs ago

Not sure that coincides with Putin's idea of success.

orwell

(7,950 posts)
19. What's new...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:40 PM
13 hrs ago

...same as it ever was.

Wait until they come to the realization that money itself is an abstraction, created out of thin air, to give us an illusion of material importance and to ultimately delineate class structures. (Spoiler alert...they won't)

Try eating a bar of gold sometime...

Nigrum Cattus

(85 posts)
20. Yes they will
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:47 PM
13 hrs ago

Next year is going to be very bad if only 30% of what they
want to do becomes real. If he does fire all the federal
workers that keep the federal gov running the failures
will be overwhelming and cataclysmic. Plan for the worst
and desire for the best.

Skittles

(159,061 posts)
33. LOL, these assholes
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:00 PM
12 hrs ago

SINCE WHEN DO REPUKES CARE ABOUT THE DEFICIT? FUCK YOU WSJ, you helped sane-wash that traitorous piece of SHIT. FUCK YOU!

Emrys

(7,926 posts)
48. Liz Truss tried a bit of "disrupting" as UK Prime Minister
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:22 PM
8 hrs ago

She announced £45 billion in unfunded tax cuts with no underlying economic analysis in a mini-budget that cratered the financial markets, slashed the value of the pound, raised mortgage rates and boosted inflation. She lasted less than 50 days in office before she was forced to resign by her party.

She was disruptive alright.

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