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Emrys

(7,926 posts)
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:12 PM 9 hrs ago

Trump-Musk bromance is on the rocks as feuds erupt

by Oliver Willis
Daily Kos Staff

More signs are beginning to emerge of a fracture in the relationship between Donald Trump and billionaire Elon Musk, who dumped money into Trump’s successful presidential bid. Even before Trump’s inauguration, there are indications he is rebelling at the notion that Musk wields disproportionate influence over his decision-making or, even worse, is truly the one in control.

The decision of whom to nominate as treasury secretary will be one of Trump’s most important calls since that official will determine fiscal policy and have an enormous impact on the domestic and global economy. In Trump’s last go-round, he left office with high unemployment and the worst net job loss of any president since the statistic has been tracked.

Musk favors the appointment of Howard Lutnick, co-chair of Trump’s transition team, for the job. He went public with his position and contrasted it with the possible pick of Scott Bessent, posting, “My view [for what it’s worth] is that Bessent is a business-as-usual choice, whereas [Lutnick] will actually enact change.”

The public statement has apparently given Trump second thoughts, and he is now considering other candidates for the position. The Washington Post cites sources in the Trump camp pointing to Musk’s statement as a problem.

“People are not happy,” the source told the paper, explaining that Trump’s circle is displeased with the perception that Musk has been operating as a “co-president.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/18/2287040/-Trump-Musk-bromance-is-on-the-rocks-as-feuds-erupt


Axios is also on the case and adds a little colour:

Musk, top Trump adviser clash over Cabinet picks
...
Zoom in: Their rocky relationship came to a head last Wednesday during a heated discussion at a dinner table in front of other guests at Trump's Mar-a-Lago club, three people familiar with the episode told Axios.

* At one point during what the sources described as a "massive blowup" and a "huge explosion," Musk accused Epshteyn of leaking details of Trump's transition — including personnel picks — to the media.

* Epshteyn responded by telling Musk that he didn't know what he was talking about.
...
State of play: Many people in Trump's orbit like having Musk around, or have found ways to work with him. Musk is well-liked by Vice President-elect JD Vance, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson and Trump's family members, including his sons Don Jr. and Eric.

* Trump's granddaughter, Kai Trump, even posted that Musk had reached "uncle status" along with a photo of Kai, Musk and Musk's son on a golf course.

* But Musk's involvement in the transition process and near-constant presence at Mar-a-Lago has begun to wear on some who've been in Trump's inner circle longer than he has — and who see him as overstepping his role in the transition, NBC reported this week.

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/18/trump-cabinet-musk-adviser-clash


Just what every family needs - a spare dysfunctional creepy uncle, to go with the creepy dysfunctional aunts, dads, moms and grandpa and assorted hangers-on - what with Thanksgiving coming around. National Lampoon couldn't set it up better.

I posted about tales of similar friction among other muppets in the Trumposphere yesterday: Trump's Transition Chair Howard Lutnick Keeps Shooting Himself in the Foot - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219735024
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Trump-Musk bromance is on the rocks as feuds erupt (Original Post) Emrys 9 hrs ago OP
The country still must follow every moment in jimfields33 9 hrs ago #1
Trump always sets up feuds, fights, rivalries in his inner circle and staff. Irish_Dem 9 hrs ago #2
tRUMP sharing anything w/ anybody else is not feasible in tRUMP's world. He doesn't share nothing. Muskrat SWBTATTReg 9 hrs ago #3
I've been saying he won't make it to Jan 20. louis-t 9 hrs ago #4
They don't call him Two Scoops for being generous to subordinates... EarthFirst 9 hrs ago #5
I'm seeing more news stories about what Musk plans for the Administration than what Trump plans. Midnight Writer 9 hrs ago #6
Aww shuckies.. who didn't see Cha 9 hrs ago #7
Too late - after Musk already financed Trumps campaign. kerry-is-my-prez 9 hrs ago #8
There is only one king Andy823 9 hrs ago #9
Exclusive footage from first Cabinet meeting: Buns_of_Fire 8 hrs ago #10
Drama and chaos is what they do and the media loves it for ratings while the country is in dire straits Deuxcents 8 hrs ago #11
And here I thought that Elonia was Dotard's new love after Rocketman Kim. keithbvadu2 8 hrs ago #12
Here's what Musk just doesn't understand. Frank D. Lincoln 7 hrs ago #13
K&R UTUSN 6 hrs ago #14
Everything Trump touches dies. NameAlreadyTaken 6 hrs ago #15
FAFO, YSF. Musky thinks he's smarter that TSF.. lol Cha 2 hrs ago #16
Just a bunch of huge egos that want to be center of attention and grift JI7 1 hr ago #17
Darn. Who would have predicted that. n/t Ms. Toad 1 hr ago #18
It's been obvious on Twitter for years that Musk thinks he should be president. Lots of his fanbois highplainsdem 1 hr ago #19

jimfields33

(18,759 posts)
1. The country still must follow every moment in
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:15 PM
9 hrs ago

Trumps life. It’s so weird that after 9 years, media still must devote hours to his every move.

Irish_Dem

(57,038 posts)
2. Trump always sets up feuds, fights, rivalries in his inner circle and staff.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:16 PM
9 hrs ago

He loves the fighting, the jealousy, jockeying for favor.
Chaos, hatred.

He thrives on it.

SWBTATTReg

(24,074 posts)
3. tRUMP sharing anything w/ anybody else is not feasible in tRUMP's world. He doesn't share nothing. Muskrat
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:21 PM
9 hrs ago

should already know this. But, I guess being that he gave the campaign so much money, that he has some say in matters. Ha ha heh. What I expected knowing how unstable these two personalities are.

louis-t

(23,700 posts)
4. I've been saying he won't make it to Jan 20.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:22 PM
9 hrs ago

He's stepping on too many toes. He thinks his 119 mil bought him some loyalty. He really hasn't been paying attention. They don't seem to know how much work it is to deport 10 million people, sue every newspaper who ever printed a negative story about him, replace 10,000 government workers and still have time to play indoor golf 6 hours a day. I doubt he will be playing golf outdoors. Where is the "great" part in all this?

EarthFirst

(3,145 posts)
5. They don't call him Two Scoops for being generous to subordinates...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:26 PM
9 hrs ago

…as often as Musk has been dining with TSF recently; you’d think he’d understand the pecking order.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,844 posts)
10. Exclusive footage from first Cabinet meeting:
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:47 PM
8 hrs ago

The co-presidents disagree on who deserves the first butt-smoochies.

Deuxcents

(19,665 posts)
11. Drama and chaos is what they do and the media loves it for ratings while the country is in dire straits
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:53 PM
8 hrs ago

Frank D. Lincoln

(604 posts)
13. Here's what Musk just doesn't understand.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:54 PM
7 hrs ago

Once Trump fully consolidates his power, he could throw Musk in prison for life without due process (or worse) and confiscate all of his wealth for his personal use. Trump would be a king who could rule by decree. Neither the law nor the Constitution would matter.

Oligarchs aren't very bright. They should have all backed Kamala Harris and the rule of law.

Cha

(305,316 posts)
16. FAFO, YSF. Musky thinks he's smarter that TSF.. lol
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:36 AM
2 hrs ago

hadn't he heard.. NO ONE IS SMARTER THAN TSF

It sounds like by "going public" that musk feels like trump Owes him and he OWNS trump.

I can see how the Sacred Cow would get Pissed at that. lol

highplainsdem

(52,287 posts)
19. It's been obvious on Twitter for years that Musk thinks he should be president. Lots of his fanbois
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:22 AM
1 hr ago

were telling him that, and he didn't discourage them, even though he isn't eligible to be president unless the Constitution is amended - and it's a safe bet he's given some thought to whether that's possible in a time frame that would interest him.

And it's been obvious this year that his intent was to buy/control Trump as much as possible. While Trump thinks he's using Musk. And both of them are apparently influenced by Putin, who might be the reason we haven't already seen more direct feuding between them.

Trump, Musk and Putin are a very dangerous alliance, but an unstable one. The Christofascists with Vance are another faction, and Vance is sort of balanced between the Christofascists and the technofascists, with his long-term sponsor, Peter Thiel, and Musk also wanting Vance as VP. Trump shouldn't trust Vance, and for that matter Vance has changed opinions so often I'm not sure anyone should ever trust him.

But Trump, Musk and Putin are the main players here. All delusional megalomaniacs. If this were a miniseries, I'd binge. In real life...

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