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babylonsister

(171,935 posts)
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:28 AM Friday

"This isn't just bad policy. It's sabotage. It's deliberate. It's unforgivable."

Found on FB...
Fear and Loathing: Closer to the Edge


Donald Trump is lying about Social Security. Elon Musk is sabotaging it. Together, they’ve created a slow-motion theft disguised as reform — a deliberate, calculated effort to break America’s most important safety net and blame the victims when it fails.

This isn’t just reckless governance. It’s cruelty wrapped in a spreadsheet — a war on America’s elderly, waged by a billionaire with a god complex and a president too lazy to learn the facts.

THE LIE THAT STARTED IT ALL
In his recent speech to Congress, Trump stood before the nation and claimed that millions of “dead” people were still in the Social Security system, draining taxpayer dollars with fraudulent checks. He said there were 4.7 million people aged 100 to 109 still on the rolls. He claimed 3.6 million people over the age of 110 were receiving benefits. By the time he suggested nearly 3.5 million people aged 140 to 149 were cashing Social Security checks, it sounded less like a speech and more like a fevered rant from a man who still believes windmills cause cancer.

The numbers weren’t just wrong — they were laughably impossible. The SSA’s own data shows that only about 44,000 records with unverifiable birthdates are still linked to active benefits. The agency has long had automated systems in place that suspend payments for anyone listed as 115 or older unless they actively prove they’re alive. Trump’s wild claims about centenarians on the take weren’t just exaggerated — they were fantasy.

But the truth didn’t matter. Trump’s lie wasn’t meant to inform. It was meant to create panic — to convince Americans that Social Security is a bloated, broken program riddled with fraud. Once that lie took root, the rest of his plan could unfold.

THE SABOTAGE STRATEGY: BREAK IT FROM THE INSIDE
Instead of openly cutting Social Security — a move that would spark public outrage — Trump and Musk are poisoning the system from within. They’re not slashing benefits; they’re engineering a bureaucratic hellscape designed to exhaust, confuse, and frustrate people out of claiming what they’ve earned.

The Social Security Administration is in the process of closing 47 field offices across the country. While not all have shuttered yet, several locations are already gone, and more closures are planned in the coming months. At the same time, the SSA is bleeding staff, with 7,000 employees cut from its workforce — the largest reduction in years. These closures and cuts are choking off access to in-person services when seniors need them most.

Meanwhile, the administration has introduced a new rule requiring seniors to verify their identities in person if they can’t use the SSA’s glitchy online system. For those in rural areas, this means driving hours to reach a field office — assuming they can even find one that’s still open. And when they arrive, they’re often met with overwhelmed staff and hours-long waits.

For many seniors, this new system is impossible to navigate. The online portal is a minefield for those unfamiliar with technology. The remaining offices are overloaded and chaotic. Seniors with mobility issues, vision problems, or cognitive decline are being pushed into a bureaucratic maze designed to wear them down.

The game is obvious. Trump’s administration isn’t fixing Social Security — they’re turning it into a series of locked doors and dead ends. The plan is to frustrate people into giving up. The more seniors they force off the rolls, the more Trump and Musk can pretend they’ve “fixed” the system.

WHO GETS HURT?
The victims are the people who can least afford to lose a dime — the elderly, the disabled, and those living in isolated areas where Social Security offices are disappearing. For these people, a delayed check isn’t just an inconvenience — it’s the difference between eating or going hungry. It’s missing medication. It’s losing your home.

Picture a retired veteran in West Virginia driving two hours down winding mountain roads just to find his local SSA office shuttered. Picture an 88-year-old widow in rural Texas standing in line for six hours only to be told, “Come back tomorrow.” Picture seniors with no access to the internet being told they must navigate a glitch-ridden online portal or risk losing their only source of income.

MUSK’S OBSESSION WITH KILLING SOCIAL SECURITY
Elon Musk’s fingerprints are all over this mess. As head of Trump’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency, Musk has spent months openly attacking Social Security, calling it a “Ponzi scheme” and a “failed experiment.” Instead of strengthening the program, Musk has worked to dismantle it piece by piece.

He’s slashed staffing levels to ensure field offices are overwhelmed. He’s pushed for tighter deadlines that punish seniors who miss appointments. And he’s expanded the SSA’s reliance on an online system that’s notoriously unreliable — particularly for older Americans unfamiliar with technology.

Musk’s goal isn’t reform — it’s attrition. He’s betting that if the system is frustrating enough, vulnerable people will stop trying. The fewer seniors who manage to navigate this bureaucratic minefield, the more Musk and Trump can pretend they’ve “saved” Social Security dollars.
It’s not just sabotage — it’s theft.


TRUMP’S BROKEN PROMISES
While Musk tears Social Security apart from the inside, Trump has betrayed the very voters he claimed to protect. During his campaign, Trump promised to end taxes on Social Security benefits — a flashy pledge designed to win over retirees. That promise never materialized. No legislation was introduced. No serious effort was made. Instead, Trump’s administration has doubled down on sabotaging the system in ways that hurt the people who rely on it most.

Seniors aren’t getting a tax break. They’re getting a gauntlet of obstacles designed to starve them out. And when those seniors fall behind on their bills — when they can’t pay rent, can’t buy groceries, or lose access to medication — Musk and Trump will shrug and blame “fraud.”

THE REAL FRAUD
There is no crisis of fraudulent payments. There are no millions of ghost seniors siphoning money from the system. The only fraud here is Trump’s lie — a calculated deception designed to justify ripping Social Security apart.


This is cruelty disguised as reform. This is theft disguised as efficiency.
This is Trump and Musk working hand-in-hand to cheat America’s elderly out of the security they earned. They aren’t fixing Social Security — they’re rigging the game so fewer people win.

And if they get away with this, the consequences will be catastrophic. Seniors will go broke. Entire families will be pushed into poverty — all so Trump and Musk can pat themselves on the back for “saving taxpayer dollars.”

This isn’t just bad policy. It’s sabotage. It’s deliberate. It’s unforgivable.

And no one should let them get away with it.
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"This isn't just bad policy. It's sabotage. It's deliberate. It's unforgivable." (Original Post) babylonsister Friday OP
G.O.P. ClawBackers are clawing at your money BoRaGard Friday #1
That's what the "G" is for (in GOP). calimary Friday #30
I thought it stood for Otto_Harper Friday #31
THAT'S a good one, too, Otto_Harper! calimary Friday #32
Here is my image to go with the name Otto_Harper Friday #34
Yep. That's about it. calimary Friday #39
It's a street-full of Senator Rick Scotts ! Seinan Sensei Saturday #42
That's exactly what I thought. Rick Scott reminds me of Skeletor. n/t elocs Saturday #44
Don't be surprised The Wizard Friday #2
Buy Canadian dollars :) But it is true that they are inexpensive now, down 5 cents since tRump 2.0 . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #3
This needs to be shouted from the rafters Martin Eden Friday #4
But first, they have to get this message. dchill Friday #38
I was told here, just to relax, gab13by13 Friday #5
Absolutely! SheltieLover Friday #6
This piece was definitely written by AI... JCMach1 Friday #7
piece written by AI? bfoxmatt Friday #8
I right away picked up on AI generated phrasing JCMach1 Friday #13
I Googled "cruelty wrapped in a spreadsheet" SpankMe Friday #18
👍🏻 I am sure there is a big footprint if you deep dive JCMach1 Friday #22
i don't care moonbeam23 Friday #26
Ahem. RandomNumbers Friday #33
The report from where? dpibel Friday #35
Would love to know if there is any way in hell to tell. Sparkly Saturday #41
This is their plan: see below (not AI) Timeflyer Friday #9
I would hope voters will turn against them soon IronLionZion Friday #20
A brilliant and eloquent... GiqueCee Friday #10
See Heather Cox Richardson this morning erronis Friday #11
She was spot on this morning. Very disturbing though😟 LaRaven Friday #17
Our stable geniuses obviously dont understand income multipliers IbogaProject Friday #12
What's the source of this information? Can you provide a link? oldmanlynn Friday #14
... babylonsister Friday #21
That is the whole point. mwmisses4289 Friday #15
Who wrote this? eShirl Friday #16
"They're eating the dogs!" Harker Friday #19
I'm calling my two Senators every day on Social Security and recommend ALL of you do as well - DAILY PatrickforB Friday #23
This message was self-deleted by its author vapor2 Friday #36
Effin evil malaise Friday #24
Psychopaths like to break things. B.See Friday #25
And kill people. ReRe Friday #27
They are the fraudsters. yellow dahlia Friday #28
someone recently told me "families aren't reporting the deaths" Skittles Friday #29
DOEGing(Dodging) taxes OldDem1 Friday #37
Anxiety and uncertainty about the future of social services isn't . . . Aussie105 Friday #40
What Trump & Musk have in common is that they both hate the U.S. & Americans elocs Saturday #43
Yet people believe this horseshit. King_Klonopin Saturday #45
Don't forget the 100K+ centenarians dpibel Saturday #47
Thank You. I never knew there were so many. King_Klonopin Yesterday #48
The Trump gang's SS ratfucking of S.S. is threatening the lives of millions... Jack Valentino Saturday #46

calimary

(85,586 posts)
30. That's what the "G" is for (in GOP).
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:31 PM
Friday

It’s really “Grand” for “Grand Old Party” but there’s nothing “grand” about their small minds.

calimary

(85,586 posts)
32. THAT'S a good one, too, Otto_Harper!
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:50 PM
Friday

It works perfectly!

Who says these jerks aren’t “inspiring”?

The Wizard

(13,107 posts)
2. Don't be surprised
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:39 AM
Friday

when the gold reserve mysteriously disappears and we get put on the Trump Crypto standard. It will be the biggest robbery in the history of the world. The ultimate goal is two tiered system of lords and serfs with an abundance of cheap labor.
A historical reminder of Paris, July 14, 1789 could be just what the oligarchs need.
Wage slaves are still slaves.
Minority rule usually ends poorly for the corrupt oppressors.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,633 posts)
3. Buy Canadian dollars :) But it is true that they are inexpensive now, down 5 cents since tRump 2.0 . . .nt
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:48 AM
Friday

gab13by13

(27,298 posts)
5. I was told here, just to relax,
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 08:10 AM
Friday

giving Krasnov what he wanted, the CR, will protect Social Security. Maybe down the road we will get another chance to make a stand? Maybe not?

Town Halls have always been the answer and Schumer/Jeffries should be demanding that every Congressional Dem do them regularly.

We need more Bernie/AOC's. It is up to us, the people, to throw out the billionaires. There isn't going to be a savior who swoops in to save us.

Oh and donate or join Indivisible, it is behind many of the town halls and protests that you see on TV.

JCMach1

(28,513 posts)
13. I right away picked up on AI generated phrasing
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:21 AM
Friday

Here is the report: This text exhibits several signs that suggest it was likely generated, at least in part, by AI:
* Overly dramatic and hyperbolic language: Phrases like "cruelty wrapped in a spreadsheet," "war on America's elderly," "fevered rant," "bureaucratic hellscape," and "Ponzi scheme" are excessively dramatic. While human writers can be passionate, AI often defaults to strong, sometimes over-the-top, language to create an impact.
* Repetitive patterns and phrasing: The text frequently repeats phrases like "sabotage strategy," "break it from the inside," and "glitch-ridden online portal." AI tends to rely on patterns and can sometimes overemphasize certain phrases.
* Simplistic and polarized portrayals: The characterizations of Trump and Musk are extremely negative and one-dimensional. The text presents them as cartoonish villains, lacking any nuance. AI often struggles with complex character portrayals and tends to rely on simplified, polarized descriptions.
* Exaggerated statistics and claims: While the text claims to present factual information, some of the statistics (e.g., millions of people over 110 receiving benefits) are presented in a way that is designed to create shock value, and are easily disproven. The combination of shock value and innacurate statistics is a red flag.
* Emotional manipulation: The text heavily relies on emotional appeals, particularly fear and outrage. It paints vivid, emotionally charged scenarios of elderly people suffering, aiming to evoke a strong emotional response. AI is often programmed to use emotional language to engage readers.
* Lack of specific, verifiable details: While the text mentions specific actions (e.g., closing field offices, cutting staff), it lacks specific, verifiable details like exact dates, locations, or sources. A human writer would likely include more concrete evidence to support their claims.
* The combination of very strong emotive language, with the lack of cited sources. A human, when writing with such strong emotional language, will often cite sources to back up their statements.
In summary, the text's excessive drama, repetitive phrasing, simplistic portrayals, and emotional manipulation strongly suggest AI involvement.
..................

Not disagreeing with the sentiment, or argument... Just end of the day there should be an open debate on DU on whether we include AI generated content.

SpankMe

(3,416 posts)
18. I Googled "cruelty wrapped in a spreadsheet"
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:57 AM
Friday

The source of the OP is a Facebook page called Fear and Loathing: Closer to the Edge. It's at https://www.facebook.com/FearAndLoathingCloserToTheEdge. The account itself feels bot-like. The owner/author is quite anonymous. I wasn't able to look through it very much because I don't have a Facebook account and couldn't log in.

On an unrelated note, among the Google results for this query was an article titled: "Bride found dead on toilet after cruel murder on honeymoon".

JCMach1

(28,513 posts)
22. 👍🏻 I am sure there is a big footprint if you deep dive
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 01:24 PM
Friday

Might even be able to identify the AI.

OP seriously not dissing you!

But yeah, DU will need to give some thought💭,

Kind of how we took time to consider X. Com content.

RandomNumbers

(18,478 posts)
33. Ahem.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 08:04 PM
Friday

I was favorable to your position. (I only wish I had seen some evidence that AI could write this well, when I presented MS Copilot some programming problems, just to see what it could do. I haven't been bothered recently.)

But you claim as evidence of being AI-generated:

Exaggerated statistics and claims: While the text claims to present factual information, some of the statistics (e.g., millions of people over 110 receiving benefits) are presented in a way that is designed to create shock value, and are easily disproven. The combination of shock value and innacurate statistics is a red flag.


BUT WAIT. Here is the context in the post that you are blaming for "innacurate (sic) statistics":

In his recent speech to Congress, Trump stood before the nation and claimed that millions of “dead” people were still in the Social Security system, draining taxpayer dollars with fraudulent checks. He said there were 4.7 million people aged 100 to 109 still on the rolls. He claimed 3.6 million people over the age of 110 were receiving benefits. By the time he suggested nearly 3.5 million people aged 140 to 149 were cashing Social Security checks, it sounded less like a speech and more like a fevered rant from a man who still believes windmills cause cancer.
The numbers weren’t just wrong — they were laughably impossible. The SSA’s own data shows that only about 44,000 records with unverifiable birthdates are still linked to active benefits. The agency has long had automated systems in place that suspend payments for anyone listed as 115 or older unless they actively prove they’re alive. Trump’s wild claims about centenarians on the take weren’t just exaggerated — they were fantasy.


The piece is not making any assertion about "millions of people over 110 receiving benefits" - it is asserting that TRUMP stated that, and that it was FALSE.

While I agree with many of your points, you missed on this one.

What I would REALLY like to see on posts like the OP (preferably from the original writer, but alternatively, crowd-sourced by DU members) is citations. Like, link to the speech where Trump stated those things. (I bet if we search DU we could even find references to that speech right here.) Another one from the OP: "The Social Security Administration is in the process of closing 47 field offices across the country. " I'm pretty sure that's true, but wouldn't it be great if we linked to the factual corroboration of that? (sort of like Wikipedia).
I see more problems with the paragraph that begins "For many seniors, this new system is impossible to navigate. The online portal is a minefield for those unfamiliar with technology." While I sense that that is probably true - it is rather subjective and it would be nice to point to a survey or SOMETHING that backs up the statement, and the following statements that are similarly problematic.

dpibel

(3,555 posts)
35. The report from where?
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:16 PM
Friday

I'm guessing you ran this text through one of the many available AI detector machines. Which are, after all, a form of AI. This bullet list reads to me as if it were AI generated.

This list contains, in addition to the problem noted in post 33, a number of dubious claims. Close to one dubious claim per bullet point.

Timeflyer

(3,073 posts)
9. This is their plan: see below (not AI)
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 08:51 AM
Friday

The "Let's Privatize Social Security" operation, step by step:

1. Lie/deny about plans to destroy Social Security,

2. Discredit Soc. Sec. to lower public confidence,

3. Send in Musk DOGE techofascist bro-boys to mess around and damage Soc. Sec. operations internally,

4 Imply that only fraudsters would complain about an interruption/non-arrival of Soc. Sec. benefit checks,

5. tRump can declare a Soc. Sec. emergency, and send in private equity and technofascist bros to "fix" what they broke,

6. Soc. Sec. gets taken over by privatizers, in order to "fix" what they deliberately broke and achieve GOP dreams of destroying Social Security.

IronLionZion

(48,215 posts)
20. I would hope voters will turn against them soon
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 10:30 AM
Friday

Elderly SS recipients have to know that things were better before Elon messed with it.

GiqueCee

(2,042 posts)
10. A brilliant and eloquent...
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:09 AM
Friday

... summation of Musk's evil scheme.
The wealthy have been attacking Social Security since its inception. They consider ALL money to be THEIR money, and have zero compunction about stealing it from those least able to defend themselves from avaricious bullies, like the psychotically deranged Ketamine addict, Mr. Musk.

WARNING! Do NOT eat the rich! you can contract rabies by consuming infected meat.

erronis

(18,599 posts)
11. See Heather Cox Richardson this morning
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:11 AM
Friday
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-27-2025

Today, Wired reported that it had found four more Venmo accounts associated with the Trump administration officials who participated in the now-infamous Signal chat about a planned military attack on the Houthis in Yemen. A payment on one of them was identified only with an eggplant emoji, which is commonly used to suggest sexual activity.

The craziness going on around us in the first two months of the second Trump administration makes a lot more sense if you remember that the goal of those currently in power was never simply to change the policies or the personnel of the U.S. government. Their goal is to dismantle the central pillars of the United States of America—government, law, business, education, culture, and so on—because they believe the very shape of those institutions serves what they call “the Left.”

IbogaProject

(4,178 posts)
12. Our stable geniuses obviously dont understand income multipliers
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:18 AM
Friday

It was my biggest lesson in my economics education. Lower income people spend much faster and in ways that multiply through the economy. The wealthy on the other hand can and do spend much slower. The wealthy often also simply shuffle money to another rich person on luxury objects. The difference between a grandma on social security and even a physician is dramatic and then when you get into the top 1% the differences are striking. It becomes physically harder to spend income quickly and completely after the first couple of hundred thousand. I can hear all the excuses why these idiotic economic policies failed to create growth already.

mwmisses4289

(767 posts)
15. That is the whole point.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:28 AM
Friday

Destroying ss is so the money can go in their pockets. For as at least 40+ years, the gop have eyed tax payer money in any program as their own personal piggy bank, and have resented it going where it is supposed to go.

PatrickforB

(15,187 posts)
23. I'm calling my two Senators every day on Social Security and recommend ALL of you do as well - DAILY
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 04:25 PM
Friday

Have 'em mark the spreadsheet 'Social Security' daily.

My Rep unfortunately is Bobo. I called her too. My wife says this may result in getting our taxes audited as a vindictive measure by the administration, but we have to stand up and fight for what is ours.

Because I'm 66 and have paid into Social Security and Medicare paycheck by paycheck by paycheck for forty (FOUR-ZERO) years and now some effing South African Nazi with a God complex wants to STEAL my money? Fuck that.

Response to PatrickforB (Reply #23)

yellow dahlia

(2,065 posts)
28. They are the fraudsters.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:02 PM
Friday

They are using propaganda and lies to create an excuse to break Social Security.

I have taken it on as one of my areas of focus. I am spreading the truth on Social Media. (I was going to leave that platform where we connect w/ our "friends", but stayed so I could share info and fact checks.

Social Security is going to be the focus of my signs this week.

I am also trying to organize protests at local Social Security offices. I saw on Rachel's show last night, that others have already started doing so. I think we need to show our appreciation for the Social Security staff. I have found them helpful, in the past.

Skittles

(162,906 posts)
29. someone recently told me "families aren't reporting the deaths"
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:07 PM
Friday

as if coroners and funeral directors have nothing to do with it

OldDem1

(8 posts)
37. DOEGing(Dodging) taxes
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:46 PM
Friday

Of course Musk and Trump want to ruin Social Security.. they employ hundreds if not thousands of people and are therefore required to pay the employers match on the wages those employees earn. It is costing them money. They are that petty.

Aussie105

(6,921 posts)
40. Anxiety and uncertainty about the future of social services isn't . . .
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 11:49 PM
Friday

a byproduct of the chaos they are creating, it is the primary objective.

The intended cruelty is the motivating factor. It stems from two very twisted individuals, aided by a swarm of mindless drones who are happy to say 'no problems here, nothing to see, move along please!

There needs to be a special place in Hell for Trump's and Musk's enablers.

elocs

(23,823 posts)
43. What Trump & Musk have in common is that they both hate the U.S. & Americans
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 01:03 AM
Saturday

and they want to hurt the nations and its people as badly as they can.
They have already succeeded in that the United States will never be the same again.
By their actions, Trump and Musk have alienated the rest of the free world from America and they will not trust us again. We will be a second world nation with nukes with a population that has been beaten down and betrayed.

King_Klonopin

(1,354 posts)
45. Yet people believe this horseshit.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 02:02 AM
Saturday

Trump is great at taking a kernel of truth and distorting it into a huge lie.

I believe there are people as old as 100 on the SSA roles, but in name only because of a thing called
"survivor benefits" where widows and disabled children continue to receive benefits of a parent or spouse
after he has died.

Trump conveniently leaves out the explanation because it suits his narrative.

dpibel

(3,555 posts)
47. Don't forget the 100K+ centenarians
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 02:38 AM
Saturday

It's not just survivor benefits.

As of 2024, there were about 101,000 people in the US over the age of 100.

Jack Valentino

(1,701 posts)
46. The Trump gang's SS ratfucking of S.S. is threatening the lives of millions...
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 02:34 AM
Saturday

According to Florida law, anyone there has the right to "stand their ground",
and defend against threats to their lives with "deadly force".

Just sayin'.

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