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leanforward

(1,103 posts)
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 12:28 AM Sunday

The Four missing US Army soldiers

Has anyone gotten any open source news concerning those troops?
It seems to me, we’ve been/are being focused on everything else. Where are they? Who was involved?
Has the WH press said anything? How is Belarus involved? Were p’Ruskies in the mix?

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Deuxcents

(21,554 posts)
1. I don't understand the lack of coverage and what has been covered is inconsistent
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 12:39 AM
Sunday

I just read where the vehicle has been found but the soldiers are missing.
www.europeafrica.army.mil

GP6971

(34,382 posts)
2. Bottom line...this "administration" doesn't give a shit.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 12:40 AM
Sunday

Active Duty...Reserve...Guard...Retired...Veteran...it doesn't make any difference. We don't exist.

ImNotGod

(553 posts)
3. The last news I saw the day it was first reported was that they drowned in their vehicle but can't remember the source
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 01:00 AM
Sunday

but nothing since then, take it with a grain of salt. Haven't done a search, I'm sure the tRump regime will keep everything covered up if it even remotely looks bad for them.


added: Per CBS Friday: In a statement issued Friday, the U.S. Army said the hulking, 70-ton M88 Hercules armored recovery vehicle the missing U.S. soldiers had been operating "was found submerged approximately 15 feet under a body of water and mud in a boggy area" connected to a nearby lake.

Mountainguy

(1,635 posts)
4. Are we going into conspiracy theory territory on ths too?
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 01:02 AM
Sunday

They were in an M88 that's not sitting 15 feet deep in a swamp. It's pretty obvious what happened to the soldiers and where they are right now.

Those vehicles weigh something like 70 tons. Given that weight and the suction that deep in mud, it's going to be a long recovery process where they have to excavate the swamp, and that's AFTER they get the bottom mapped, find anchor points in 0 visibility, an shore up the ground to actually support heavy equipment.

Skittles

(162,957 posts)
5. wondering WTF happened to them is hardly CONSPIRACY THEORY
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 02:19 AM
Sunday

it's obvious President Musk and his fucking lapdog Trump DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM

Mountainguy

(1,635 posts)
13. Sure sure
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 01:33 PM
Sunday
How is Belarus involved? Were p’Ruskies in the mix?



No conspiracy theories in the op at all

Irish_Dem

(66,977 posts)
11. Why aren't we being given updates? The military could at least act like they care about the soldiers.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 07:10 AM
Sunday

And are in the process of retrieving them.

James48

(4,781 posts)
6. Last I heard
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 02:36 AM
Sunday

They found the M-88, but it’s under water. They were building a stir around it, then had to pump water out of it, before they can get to it. They had not yet recovered any bodies, it’s still stuck in mud.

sinkingfeeling

(54,777 posts)
12. The latest, an hour ago, here:
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 10:12 AM
Sunday
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/national/military-news/four-us-soldiers-missing-lithuania-recovery-efforts-update-sunday-march-30/85-a3717f4b-576f-4056-ab97-8917c47fdf01

Recovery efforts continue for 4 US soldiers whose armored vehicle sank into mud of 'bog swamp-like area' in Lithuania

VILNIUS COUNTY, Lithuania — Recovery efforts are continuing Sunday in Lithuania to recover four U.S. soldiers based out of Georgia's Fort Stewart whose armored vehicle sank into the wet mud of what's been described as a "bog swamp-like area."

The soldiers, with the 3rd Infantry Division, have been missing since the morning of March 25. Their vehicle has since been located submerged in a mix of mud, water and silt in a forested area near Lithuania's border with Belarus.

“It is highly complex trying to get to the vehicle itself with the terrain out here and where the M88 is sitting in a bog swamp-like area, below the waterline. So not only are we dealing with the terrain, a lot of mud that is over top of the vehicle, but also the fact that it's 70 tons that we're trying to recover out of a swamp or bog,” Brig. Gen. John Lloyd, commander of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers North Atlantic Division, said in a statement. “Last night, divers were in the water trying to get to the vehicle. We were unable to because of the amount of mud. We continue to work on the excavation and pumping all the water out of the bog and also using excavation equipment to try to get to the vehicle.”

This week the wife of one of the soldiers, 25-year-old Sgt. Edvin Franco, spoke to 11Alive's Cody Alcorn. The wife, Georgia Franco, said her husband has been a tank mechanic stationed at Fort Stewart since joining the Army in 2018.

Melon

(271 posts)
15. I had read on a military forum
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 01:39 PM
Sunday

That the vehicle overturned in a bog in water deep enough to fully submerg it. Very difficult situation to now remove such a heavy vehicle in that terrain.

Igel

(36,663 posts)
17. The default hypothesis has to be that they sank in the muck.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 01:40 PM
Sunday

Some sources say "sinkhole"--if even nodding towards accuracy, then it's likely to be a place that the planners thought safe for the behemoth of a vehicle to transit but were mistaken. Or maybe the crew/passengers were mistaken.

Assumption is that they're in the vehicle. No foul play. Just a mistake. Probably can't even blame a mechanic for screwing up.

Yes, Pabrade isn't far from the BR border, but you know, Belorus' and the Smolenshchina are known in Russia for two things: their funny dialects and their swamps. Hitler and his armies hated them--it was horrible, in the winter you could pass but it was cold, miserable, and food was limited; in the summer you would get bogged down, literally. But if you watch many Soviet-era WWII movies, many of them (those not placed in Stalingrad) very often tended to feature swamps, at least in places. And the sheer number of rusted out tanks in those bogs and swamps is stunning.

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