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bluesbassman

(20,232 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:14 AM Yesterday

My friend operates a small business. He received this note today from his main supplier, also a small business.

The raw materials my friend uses are literally unavailable from any domestic manufacturer, so this price increase effectively wipes out his operating profit making continued operations not possible. In the short term he’ll have to pause production, long term he’ll close up shop if this tariff situation continues. I would imagine his supplier will be in a similar position. Probably more than a few people’s employment at risk.

“As you may have heard, tariffs have increased on imported products. As a result, we will be raising our pricing over the next couple of days. We have always prided ourselves in offering the best quality products at competitive pricing. This is still our goal, but these increased costs will have an effect on all of us. All in, tariffs and excise taxes will increase pricing approximately 75% higher than they should be without these added Government fees. Unless we pass these costs on, we will not be able to remain a viable business. We appreciate your understanding. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me. 
Mike (Owner) xxx-xxx-xxxx”

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My friend operates a small business. He received this note today from his main supplier, also a small business. (Original Post) bluesbassman Yesterday OP
Oof UpInArms Yesterday #1
Intended consequences. dchill Yesterday #12
Putin's wet dream. n/t Justice matters. 16 hrs ago #52
The goal is to wipe out all small businesses? Irish_Dem Yesterday #2
Combination of the two is my guess. bluesbassman Yesterday #3
The billionaires only care about their profits. Irish_Dem Yesterday #4
That's just it, they want to destroy the current model so tsf and reich wing oligarchs control most everything. lark Yesterday #5
Cab sec Howard Lutnick said the quiet part out loud Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #13
My god, what a dumb fuck! sdfernando Yesterday #18
Steve Jobs was asked about why not robotics instead of Apple moving their manufacturing to china. LiberalArkie Yesterday #27
Not destroy us Figarosmom 20 hrs ago #44
Obamacare liberated people from working for huge corporations. yardwork Yesterday #6
Good point. People were no longer indentured servants for health coverage. Irish_Dem Yesterday #8
Every year the benefits would get crappier wolfie001 Yesterday #22
Yes, high deductible, high co pays, little coverage. Irish_Dem Yesterday #24
Don't get sick wolfie001 Yesterday #25
Actually, your last couple of sentences or paragraph is wrong, IMO. Dan Yesterday #21
That's true of Musk and many others, but the messaging is confused. yardwork Yesterday #35
I agree, and Dan 22 hrs ago #42
So many things went wrong during the Reagan era. yardwork 19 hrs ago #47
Automation and UBI CitizenZero 20 hrs ago #43
Now you care about small businesses? Wilma Woke Yesterday #7
Enjoy your visit. rzemanfl Yesterday #14
You're too kind. Wilma Woke Yesterday #16
Get that next email and screen name rolling Sugarcoated Yesterday #29
better than Wilma Broke Skittles 22 hrs ago #39
Ugh SammyWinstonJack Yesterday #30
Closing down weed shops might help some people make posts Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #51
The goal is to wipe out our nation. Trueblue Texan 20 hrs ago #45
Yes the evil genius plan is working quite well. :( Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #50
The goal is to destroy America. iemanja 18 hrs ago #48
and both those people Dyedinthewoolliberal Yesterday #9
I Just Got An Email From a Clothing Company Deep State Witch Yesterday #10
These examples are just the tip of the iceberg I'm afraid. bluesbassman Yesterday #11
Believe Me, I Know Deep State Witch Yesterday #19
Well.... angrychair Yesterday #15
Seems like a license to steal. Littlered Yesterday #17
Why can't they pass on the tariff to the customer? Mosby Yesterday #20
Struck Me, Too ProfessorGAC Yesterday #23
Yeah I wondered about that too. bluesbassman Yesterday #26
No Doubt ProfessorGAC Yesterday #31
If they stay in place, the tariffs will be devastating. bluesbassman 23 hrs ago #36
I Only Have One ProfessorGAC 22 hrs ago #38
Nice! GAS is a hard habit to break! bluesbassman 22 hrs ago #40
I'm Long Done ProfessorGAC 22 hrs ago #41
I did a double take on that too Ruby the Liberal Yesterday #32
We need interviews with business owners in the MSM every day. NoSheep Yesterday #28
75%? I'm having a hard time Tickle Yesterday #33
Many raw materials are exempt GreatGazoo Yesterday #34
I buy a lot of European goods. Just bought sneakers today because my last pair is in pretty bad Raftergirl 23 hrs ago #37
I would like to see a line item on all goods and products: 'Trump fee for the wealthy' wiggs 19 hrs ago #46
We knew this was inevitable. anybody who didn't see it coming has been blinded by Trump Love. Martin68 18 hrs ago #49

Irish_Dem

(67,240 posts)
2. The goal is to wipe out all small businesses?
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:19 AM
Yesterday

Let the big businesses swoop in and buy the small business on the cheap?
Or just wipe them out period?

bluesbassman

(20,232 posts)
3. Combination of the two is my guess.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:28 AM
Yesterday

It’s not sustainable though as our size and diverse economic landscape operates and thrives because of small businesses.

lark

(24,779 posts)
5. That's just it, they want to destroy the current model so tsf and reich wing oligarchs control most everything.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:32 AM
Yesterday

They HATE the working class and poor and will do everything to destroy us!

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,943 posts)
13. Cab sec Howard Lutnick said the quiet part out loud
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:10 AM
Yesterday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220202148

Lutnick on CNBC: It's not about helping workers (though he tries to say the opposite)

"Why can't iphones be made in the US with robotics?"

Then later says "We need to employ Americans, but Americans can be much more efficient with robotics."

sdfernando

(5,644 posts)
18. My god, what a dumb fuck!
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:50 AM
Yesterday

if you don't employ people, who can afford to buy the fucking product!

LiberalArkie

(17,794 posts)
27. Steve Jobs was asked about why not robotics instead of Apple moving their manufacturing to china.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:42 PM
Yesterday

It I remember correctly, Jobs said it cost millions and sometimes over a year to properly design and program the robots to assemble the parts, whereas China can just put 10,000 workers on the job in a month.

This naturally was decades ago. The car manufacturers have managed to do a lot, but at some point either Apple will need to stop reinventing the wheel every year or .....

Figarosmom

(5,042 posts)
44. Not destroy us
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:22 PM
20 hrs ago

Whip us into a subservient worker class that will do anything that is asked, for little return and a lot of debasement.

yardwork

(66,045 posts)
6. Obamacare liberated people from working for huge corporations.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:34 AM
Yesterday

For several decades, as the price of healthcare soared, workers were unable to quit jobs with large companies. We were essentially indentured servants.

Obamacare made it possible for people to quit jobs and become entrepreneurs. Small businesses thrived.

I suspect those corporations want their workers back. This is one way to do it.

Irish_Dem

(67,240 posts)
8. Good point. People were no longer indentured servants for health coverage.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:36 AM
Yesterday

Big business was furious.

wolfie001

(4,411 posts)
22. Every year the benefits would get crappier
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM
Yesterday

Coverage less, cost more. Every year, every Union contract. Death by 1,000 cuts. American Corporate policy in a nutshell.

Irish_Dem

(67,240 posts)
24. Yes, high deductible, high co pays, little coverage.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:15 PM
Yesterday

Total scam.

Americans have been indentured servants for a long time.

wolfie001

(4,411 posts)
25. Don't get sick
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:22 PM
Yesterday

Divorce a spouse and put one on Medicaid as a financial strategy. American christianity at its root/core/base.

Dan

(4,501 posts)
21. Actually, your last couple of sentences or paragraph is wrong, IMO.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:00 PM
Yesterday

Automation is the goal. Elimination of the human element is the goal. Machines, robots, Kiosk don’t take breaks, don’t eat and aside from regular maintenance don’t have any real cost after acquisition, aside from electricity.

People are increasingly obsolete. The big corporations just have to figure a way to generate increased wealth without the need of people. Maybe, they are also in the process of redefining what is “wealth”.

The only thing that they do need is one portion of the population to kill the other portions of the population to maintain their “wealth”.

yardwork

(66,045 posts)
35. That's true of Musk and many others, but the messaging is confused.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:40 PM
Yesterday

I think there are probably companies that are still mad that they lost workforce due to entrepreneurship.

Let's say we're both right. Somewhere US companies totally lost any sense of decency.

Dan

(4,501 posts)
42. I agree, and
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:48 PM
22 hrs ago

I think that it was when Reagan reduced the Marginal Tax Rate. Prior to that when the MTR was high, companies reinvested their profits back into the company. When they reduced the MTR the owners took the profits out of the companies and reinvested or stored away the money. When they reinvested the money back into the companies, they also reinvested in their workers because they perceived the workers to be an asset rather than a liability.

IMO.

CitizenZero

(652 posts)
43. Automation and UBI
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:18 PM
20 hrs ago

Universal Basic Income (UBI) might be a solution. Automation is probably coming one way or another. Unfortunately. Andrew Yang ran for President and UBI was one of his innovative (unusual?) policy positions.

 

Wilma Woke

(19 posts)
7. Now you care about small businesses?
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:35 AM
Yesterday

I remember during lockdown that weed shops were considered essential but except for corporatations like Mall-Wart, they had to shut their doors. 😑

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,043 posts)
9. and both those people
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:48 AM
Yesterday

should be sending this information to Congress and asking them to work on impeachment because Hair Fuehrer isn't going to be any help.

Deep State Witch

(11,679 posts)
10. I Just Got An Email From a Clothing Company
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:56 AM
Yesterday

Snag Tights, which is UK-based, but manufactures in Italy. They're still debating what to do, since they have a lot of US customers.

bluesbassman

(20,232 posts)
11. These examples are just the tip of the iceberg I'm afraid.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:01 AM
Yesterday

If this madness continues it’s going to snowball into an avalanche very quickly.

Deep State Witch

(11,679 posts)
19. Believe Me, I Know
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:54 AM
Yesterday

I'm a crafter. I make jewelry and sell it at shows and on Etsy. I'm glad that a friend gave me a bunch of her beads from downsizing. Plus, I stocked up on the Delicas that come from Japan. Right now, I'm not planning on raising my prices on Etsy. For now.

angrychair

(10,454 posts)
15. Well....
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:19 AM
Yesterday

Maybe if he can scrape together several million dollars and write the Mango Mob Boss a personal check he could get a crave out. I'm absolutely positive all this is a shakedown for money and just to be a bully.
Have a relative that owns a small business, with several components from Taiwan and Vietnam. They didn't get much sleep last night.

Littlered

(195 posts)
17. Seems like a license to steal.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:27 AM
Yesterday

Call me a cynic, but that has been my observation for most of my time on earth. Spending the last 25 plus years as a small business owner. Just like the gas surcharge that was added by one of our contractors during the pandemic. It’s still there.

Mosby

(18,323 posts)
20. Why can't they pass on the tariff to the customer?
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:57 AM
Yesterday

It's a tax, right?

What's up with the 75% increase? Sound like bullshit. Trump imposed a 25% tariff.

ProfessorGAC

(72,155 posts)
23. Struck Me, Too
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:12 PM
Yesterday

It mentions and excise tax, but that is one heck of an excise tax.
25% tariff & a 40% excise tax? You'd think the 40% would be bigger news than the tariff.

bluesbassman

(20,232 posts)
26. Yeah I wondered about that too.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:31 PM
Yesterday

My friend is pretty shook up today and I don’t think he’s called the guy back yet to get a breakdown on the increase, hopefully soon. Maybe it was a typo, I don’t know, but even the minimum 25% tariff, regardless of the the excise tax or “markup” these importers apply will be a significant enough burden on the profit margins for many small businesses that many won’t be able to survive.

ProfessorGAC

(72,155 posts)
31. No Doubt
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:31 PM
Yesterday

I found this:

The average gross profit margin across all industries is 36.56%, while the average net profit margin is 8.54%.

Banks (particularly money centers) have the highest average profit margins of any industry at 100% gross and 30.89% net.

The auto and truck industry has the lowest average gross profit at 12.45%.

Real estate development has the lowest average net profit margin at -16.35%.

These are gross profit margins, so no overhead is yet absorbed.
Here's a list of gross & net margins by industry. I don't see any manufacturing segments where the 25% tariff isn't sucking a big portion or all of the gross margin.
https://www.venasolutions.com/blog/average-profit-margin-by-industry

BTW: I've always meant to ask you; what kind of bass do you play? I've got a 5 string Fender Jazz bass.

bluesbassman

(20,232 posts)
36. If they stay in place, the tariffs will be devastating.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 04:10 PM
23 hrs ago

Big guys will ride it out, but not before putting millions out of work.

Cool, I have a 5 string Jazz too, but it’s not my primary. I have three that get regular stage rotation. A 50’s P, a 60’s Jazz, both made in Mexico. And I have a pretty rare 2018 Parallel Universe 51’ Telecaster that’s a USA model. Amplification is either a Rumble 800 combo, or an Aguilar Tone Hammer 700 on top of a GK Neo 212.

ProfessorGAC

(72,155 posts)
38. I Only Have One
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:01 PM
22 hrs ago

But, I've got 14 guitars, 4 amps, 6 keyboards, an acoustic piano & a mandolin.
So, my bass isn't lonely!

bluesbassman

(20,232 posts)
40. Nice! GAS is a hard habit to break!
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:19 PM
22 hrs ago

I’m beginning to thin the heard, just sold my stadium rig, a Fender Super Bassman 300 watt all tube head with a 410 and a 15. Just too heavy and big to haul around for club dates any more, and to be honest the Class Ds sound damn near as good! I’ve got ten other basses that’ll I’ll probably most of. The three I mentioned are my go to for performance.

ProfessorGAC

(72,155 posts)
41. I'm Long Done
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:23 PM
22 hrs ago

So the habit is broken.
I spent 75 or 80% of my gig money on gear. When I quit performing, I quit buying.
At least with the acoustics, I play all of them. I only play 2 or 3 of my electric guitars, regularly.
And, I play piano every day, as well.
I don't miss getting new stuff, though.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,406 posts)
32. I did a double take on that too
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:34 PM
Yesterday

Is he talking about increasing prices 75% over what he was already planning to increase them?

Tickle

(3,808 posts)
33. 75%? I'm having a hard time
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:38 PM
Yesterday

thinking products will go up 75%. Can you be more specific with the product your friend is getting?

GreatGazoo

(4,100 posts)
34. Many raw materials are exempt
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:40 PM
Yesterday

and more will be added to the exemption list. My advice would be to shop around while delaying any purchase which can be delayed. Trump has 6 days to reverse -- something he has done both times before. The first rule of manufacturing is "Have at least two sources for everything that is critical to your business."

>Some goods will not be subject to the Reciprocal Tariff. These include: (1) articles subject to 50 USC 1702(b); (2) steel/aluminum articles and autos/auto parts already subject to Section 232 tariffs; (3) copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, and lumber articles; (4) all articles that may become subject to future Section 232 tariffs; (5) bullion; and (6) energy and other certain minerals that are not available in the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-declares-national-emergency-to-increase-our-competitive-edge-protect-our-sovereignty-and-strengthen-our-national-and-economic-security/

Raftergirl

(1,647 posts)
37. I buy a lot of European goods. Just bought sneakers today because my last pair is in pretty bad
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 04:26 PM
23 hrs ago

shape. They were on sale from $199 to $158. I bought two pair so I’ll have a spare when one gets beat up.

Everything is European sourced and they are manufactured in Portugal.

https://sansmatin.com/pages/sustainability

wiggs

(8,175 posts)
46. I would like to see a line item on all goods and products: 'Trump fee for the wealthy'
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:00 PM
19 hrs ago

Sometimes on restaurant tabs you'll see a cost line for 'employee benefits' or 'staff living wages'. Since tariffs are partly for tax cuts for the wealthiest, a line item on every imported car, car part, tool, off-season melon, chair, 2 x 4, kilowatt of electricity, spliff from Mexico, lawnmower from China, viagra pill from Sweden, carpet from Turkey, etc would make it clear and immediate who should be blamed.

Martin68

(25,294 posts)
49. We knew this was inevitable. anybody who didn't see it coming has been blinded by Trump Love.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:32 PM
18 hrs ago
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