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CBS News; May 12, 2025
The DNC's credentials committee passed a resolution determining that Kenyatta and Hogg's election in February was incomplete due to violations of the party's charter, and the party should hold two new votes with only candidates who previously ran participating. The resolution will now be presented to the entire DNC.
Monday's resolution came in response to a challenge brought by Kalyn Free, a Native American committeeperson from Oklahoma who lost to Hogg — a 25-year-old Parkland school shooting survivor best known for his gun control advocacy — in one of the vice chair races. Free alleges that during February's election, the DNC improperly combined two questions and tallied votes together. In doing so, Free argues, the DNC used procedures that gave male candidates an advantage over female candidates, violating the party's charter.
DNC Chair Ken Martin, who was elected earlier this year, said in a statement he is "disappointed to learn that before I became Chair, there was a procedural error in the February Vice Chair Elections." He said he expects DNC members to "resolve this matter fairly."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dnc-panel-pushes-to-scrap-david-hoggs-vice-chair-election/ar-AA1EEkSf?ocid=BingNewsSerp
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Prairie Gates
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msongs
(71,227 posts)resign to go run his special interest group
Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)
MichMan
(15,102 posts)Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)He’s also not doing anything against the DNC rules. He’s not even doing anything other vice chairs haven’t done.
brush
(59,845 posts)IMO that smells about as bad as primarying sitting Dems with newbies who haven't proven they can beat rethugs.
Untill we regain the House majority we should fund incumbent reps, and target rethug reps in purple and blue districts that Biden won in '24.
The goal should be regaining the House majority to stop the magat, trump Nazi party from installing their authoritarian government...again,nnot primarying sittting Dems.
Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)If we want to change the face of the Dem party we need to ditch do-nothing Dems in safe blue areas. Maybe that will get the rest of them to get up off their butts and fight. I’m over “strongly worded letters” and it seems so is everyone else.
brush
(59,845 posts)I don't get why that's so hard for some to understand. And what you call 'do nothing Dens' have been doing what it takes to beat republicans in elections. Something that can't be said about some untested newbie who hasn't even beaten another Dem in a primary.
And apparently you don't know Hogg is making sure he's well paid...200k PAC money he's granted himself (look it up) and his DNC pay. Also DNC officials are supposed to be neutral and help all Dems all over get elected, not favoring his own candidates against other incumbent Dems.
if he can't do that, he should resign and work on getting his PAC candidates elected.
Again, DNC officials are supposed to remain neutral.
Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)You made the claim. Cite your source. That’s how it works. Those Dems are running in safe blue seats that a Republican would never win.
brush
(59,845 posts)Of course there are some volunteers but why would you think DNC officials would work a full-time job for no pay?
FYI: DNC officials pay ranges from $51,000 per year for an Operations Administrator to $140,000 per year for a Director of Human Resources12. The average annual pay for a DNC official is $49,1313.
And as far as Dems in safe districts, that's the point. They count in us taking back the House majority to stop trump's fascism.
Why is that hard to understand. Go after vulnerable republicans in purple or blue districts Biden won in '24, if successful WE TAKE BACK THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.
Get it?
Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)stated he did not get paid by the DNC, that it was a volunteer position. Why wouldn’t you want another AOC or Jasmine Crocket or Melanie Stansbury? We desperately need more dynamic elected Dems. Why is that hard to understand?
brush
(59,845 posts)not due process, illegal deportations, defying court orders and even arresting judges.
It's not complicated. Leave incumbent Dems in place as part of our count, and hope to replace a few vulnerable republicans in blue or purple districts.
Then we regain the majority in the House, which is ArticleOne in the Constitution where bills begin to turn into law. And whenDems are the majority, we take back the authority that trump has usurped and the cowardly republicans are afraid to challenge him in his obvious desire to establish authoritarianism in the US.
Taking back the majority is critical to save our democracy. After that, sure, let Hogg see what he can do, WITHOUT ENDANGERING OUR CONTROL OF THE HOUSE.
Do you now understand? Stopping trump and saving our democracy is what's to be done first.
Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)is in the gutter? Our platform polls well but our party doesn’t. We won’t take back anything if we continue to look like a party of wimps ie strongly worded letters etc. It’s not an either or situation. You know why Rs fall in line? Because they are afraid of being primaried. It’s a working tactic that we should have been using all along. There is absolutely no excuse to allow an ineffective Dem to remain in a safe blue seat. Yes we need to challenge Rs but we can and should primary Dems that we can safely replace. We can do both.
brush
(59,845 posts)instead of a very slim one with four seats vacant and up for special elections coming soon to fill them. Because of this trump had to stop rethug Rep. Elise Stefanik's appointment as UN Ambassador because it would cause the rethug majority to shrink even more.
And I guess you think trump and the rethugs and their tariffs, price hikes, deportations with no due process, defying court orders and arresting judges is popular? Get real. They're losing special elections left and right because the rethug brand and their policies are so unpopular.
You have no idea of what's really going on and that the rethug House majority is teetering on being overthrown...just your stubborn and negative view of Dems is all that comes through with your posts.
Democracy vs fascism is at stake and all you can think about is getting rid of Dems who have proven the can beat republicans.
Maybe this will finally make you realize how close we are to take back the House majority in the midterms...and talking about unpopularity, you htink trump and the rethugs and their tariffs with prices going up are popular? We Dems are poised to retake dthe House majority because of how unpopular rethugs are now.
Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)and we lost. I’m well aware of what’s going on and not being Republican isn’t going to win elections. If that was enough we wouldn’t be where we are now. More people stayed home the last election than voted for either party! What does that say about us? We shed young voters. How do we get them back? I don’t think it’s by doing business as usual. We have, IMHO, got to change the face of the party. We have to back younger candidates and the best places to do that are safe blue seats.
brush
(59,845 posts)during mid-terms. Especially with an admin with policies as unpopular as trump 2.0.
Google it because apparently you don't know that.
Phoenix61
(18,346 posts)better place than it is now going into the next presidential election.
newdeal2
(2,494 posts)Hopefully cooler heads prevail.
regnaD kciN
(27,044 posts)
Fiendish Thingy
(19,274 posts)And will resort to ratfuckery if necessary.
Mountainguy
(1,840 posts)that helped Hogg get elected. Glad to see the DNC might do the right thing and hold another fair election.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,274 posts)MichMan
(15,102 posts)https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dnc-panel-finds-hogg-and-another-official-weren-t-properly-elected-to-leadership/ar-AA1EEcrk?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Fiendish Thingy
(19,274 posts)
Nixie
(17,666 posts)affected by this ballot challenge since it’s about gender and a combined ballot that gave them an unfair advantage.
The other male Democrat affected, Malcolm Kenyatta, said:
“This story is complex and I’m frustrated — but it’s not about [Dave Hogg]. Even though he wants it to be.”
betsuni
(27,877 posts)The conspiracy theory will be fabulous for fundraising!
Nixie
(17,666 posts)and he is really getting outspoken about Hogg misrepresenting what is going on. I’m so glad to see it. Hogg is on the show now, too, and he has a deer-in-the-headlights look about his motives. We need this?! It’s unbelievable.
You are right! It’s great for victimization fundraising.
W_HAMILTON
(8,972 posts)Is that surprising? Is that an unnaturally long time for you? Does everything have to be some sort of conspiracy?
betsuni
(27,877 posts)
Silent Type
(9,321 posts)Longer term, Hogg may be OK.
I do believe it’s time to primary some longtime Democrats, but not based on anything Hogg does or says.
Nixie
(17,666 posts)proclaims to be an expert in politics. Go work in Florida — lots of districts he could grace with his self importance. That would actually be a solid accomplishment.
newdeal2
(2,494 posts)Lot of Dems failed there. Let’s not act like the previous DNC leaders knew what they were doing there either.
Skittles
(164,097 posts)housing values down, people fleeing the state, DeSantis and his wife outed as corrupt, and hard to imagine them getting any help during hurricane season
Tickle
(4,095 posts)They can't build fast enough to keep up with the demands. Who's fleeing the state?
The old Floridians are pissed that Florida is building up. I guess they would move out, but I don't know where 🤷♀️🤷
Kingofalldems
(39,574 posts)No surprise.
In It to Win It
(10,560 posts)Nixie
(17,666 posts)he knows better and after gaining access is now divulging his unrealistic and damaging plans. He should earn some sweat equity and street creds before he bullies others into unrealistic and losing talking points.
If he’s the DNC savior, then surely he can work his magic closer to home where it’s actually needed instead of taking his show on the road nationally. Florida needs his supposed expertise and leadership, so he could roll up his sleeves there.
buzzycrumbhunger
(1,119 posts)
Arazi
(7,788 posts)You might want to ask yourself why you’re demanding he go back to a place he’s clearly not comfortable living in.
Furthermore MANY effective Dems never run for office. This demand that he run for something in order to be a “good” Dem is ridiculous.
His issue is primarily gun control. Nobody demands Shannon Watts run for office or take on an entire red state’s apparatus. Yet she’s been a powerhouse Dem for years now. Why these unrealistic demands on just David Hogg?
Nixie
(17,666 posts)there. Even so, are you saying he is excused from Florida?! We just let that go because you say David doesn’t want to go there…? It doesn’t make sense, if that’s the case.
If he wants to go nationally and pick fights with elected Democrats, then he should have some track record of success, such as swaying elections in his home state. If he’s such a wizard, surely he can get at least a couple districts in Florida to jump on board his platform. If he wants to tell others how to get things done, he should have done it also himself. This isn’t a “David Says” party.
I just heard the other male Democrat involved, Malcolm Kenyatta, on MSNBC and he is getting outspoken that David is misrepresenting what is going in. We don’t need this type of mischaracterization about our party anymore.
Arazi
(7,788 posts)Are you saying Obama should have left his job, community activism, and the life he’d created at U Chicago and gone back to Hawaii?
(You know that’s ridiculous)
Again, the demands that David Hogg should run for office or turn Florida blue before he’s given any respect - a requirement that isn’t imposed on any other activist Dems, just him, frankly sucks.
I have no idea why he’s decided to reside in DC but this demand that he move back to FL is just bizarre. His work is gun control. That he’s also trying to get involved with fresh ideas for the Democratic party and getting this kind of massive pushback doesn’t bode well for us, wizard or not
Nixie
(17,666 posts)to David Hogg. Not a thing in common there to even dwell on. It’s very telling that you are inflating Hogg to Obama’s status.
Speaking of giving respect, Hogg is very disrespectful towards other Democrats, so why on earth is he deserving of something he’s not giving. If he can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Arazi
(7,788 posts)In Chicago.
Nobody told him to go back to Hawaii if he had aspirations. Why this demand that Hogg go back to FL?
As for Hogg being unable to take the “heat”, he’s been a national lightening rod since surviving a massacre at 17 yrs old. Fairly sure he understands drama. Good job though, denigrating young Dems
Nixie
(17,666 posts)had to say about David. He’s not going to let David get away with the disingenuous messaging about Democrats and the situation that Hogg is misrepresenting about the DNC.
Did I mention that Malcolm is young? Since that’s your only qualification, Malcolm is young. I liked what young Malcolm had to say. Malcolm is young —- did I mention that?
How ridiculous to compare community organizing with complaining about Democrats. We’re about done with your superficial diversions from what the real issue is.
Arazi
(7,788 posts)I’m trying to address the ridiculous demand that Hogg move back to Florida and personally run for office and/or turn it blue before he gets any respect.
My only point on this tangent is a 25 yr old activist Dem, like Obama once was, should be encouraged, not destroyed wherever they are in their journey. That Malcolm Kenyatta (and Obama) decided to run for office is great. Bravo! But we have MANY powerful and influential Dem activists who work alongside politicians, offering advice and ideas, without ever running for office and that is (should be) fine too.
Nixie
(17,666 posts)It’s obvious you are mad that someone dares to suggest Hogg earn some credibility before he tells others how to run things. You seem to have convinced yourself that Hogg is afraid of Florida , his home state. But your slant on it doesn’t make sense.
This is repetitive now and has been addressed already. What is ridiculous is your investment in protecting Hogg from Florida. If Hogg knows best, then prove it by turning some red districts blue, not attacking other Democrats. He’s from Florida, and if I want to suggest he runs in his home state, that’s what I’ll do.
Arazi
(7,788 posts)Shrug.
Go ahead and tell our young activists to fuck off. That should work out well for Dems…
(And psst, Obama told the Chicago Dem machine - Rahm et al that there was a different way and they could fuck off too. Forged his own path outside their bullshit organization).
Nixie
(17,666 posts)David is no Obama no matter how much you want to force it.
You should listen to Malcolm Kenyatta who is also young. He’s not having David’s mischaracterizations. Bullshit is bullshit, since you are referencing “bullshit organizations.”
Arazi
(7,788 posts)Biden grew up in Scranton but nobody told him to gtfo and change PA. I used Obama as an example but our Dem history is full of activists/politicians who found their voice out of their home state.
Your premise is absurd. That young activists must go back to their home state or they don’t deserve respect is bullshit. Tbh I don’t give a shit if David Hogg does nothing more than what he has already - gun control advocacy like Shannon Watts or Jim Brady or the millions of average Americans doing their bit.
Nixie
(17,666 posts)to blue states to attack Democrats young David doesn’t like.
David should show us his magic and turn red districts blue. He’s from Florida, so start there.
Arazi
(7,788 posts)You clearly haven’t listened to a thing I’ve said (or Hogg has proposed).
I’m out. Please continue without me and have the lady word. No use banging my head against a brick wall who refuses to dialogue. Just know this is turning young voters OFF
Nixie
(17,666 posts)It’s like you don’t know who Malcolm Kenyatta is in relation to this DNC issue and you’re mad that I do know.
Also, Malcolm is young. He’s listened to David and is not buying Hogg’s mischaracterizations.
Ranting Randy
(198 posts)DNC tired of shooting itself in the electoral foot and is now targeting more vital organs.
In It to Win It
(10,560 posts)Sewa
(1,419 posts)and everybody knows it.
Then shouldn’t Ken Martin’s election be looked at too. We need a do over for DNC chair then. 😡💀
dsc
(52,910 posts)I realize it might involve, God forbid, numbers and doing actual work, but the article is pretty worthless without the reporter having done that very basic work.
Sympthsical
(10,531 posts)And if anyone ever wondered why the DNC can't organize a piss up in a brewery, just read through that process.
After going through, I'm genuinely wondering if it would matter at all if the organization just went away entirely, to be replaced by . . . just about anything else.
MichMan
(15,102 posts)Vinca
(52,035 posts)younger people when they attempt to rise in the pecking order. He's shaking things up and, IMO, things need to be shaken up.
MichMan
(15,102 posts)Hogg could still win
dsc
(52,910 posts)we have no way to evaluate that claim. What rule was broken? Were males actually advantaged? If so, how? Thanks to this reporter we have no idea what the answer is to any of those questions.
MichMan
(15,102 posts)Here is some more info from another link from NBC
The party then decided to hold a single vote to decide the final two slots instead of holding separate votes for each position.
Free claimed that the combined ballot unfairly benefited Hogg and Kenyatta, the only two men left in the race, because members had to vote for at least one man on the combined ballot. She argued it's possible they could have voted differently if the ballots were separated. Representatives for Hogg and Kenyatta disagreed with the challenge, arguing that the party was well within its discretionary right to make a move to shorten the lengthy voting process in real time.
The challenge to the DNC election dates from late February, well before the disagreement between Hogg and the party went public. But now, the 400-plus member DNC will have to vote on whether to call for a new election that could cost Hogg his position against this backdrop.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dnc-panel-recommends-redo-of-vote-that-elevated-david-hogg-to-vice-chair-after-procedural-concerns/ar-AA1EE8GU?ocid=BingNewsSerp
dsc
(52,910 posts)Say there were 2 men and 4 women on the ballot and the instructions were to vote for up to 2 candidates with no more than one of them not a man. Then I could vote for one woman and turn in the ballot. But if the instructions were to vote for 2 candidate with one having to be male, then I couldn't vote for one woman and turn in the ballot. Or the instructions could have been vote for up to two candidates with one being male. That is more ambiguous. I think better in real time to use the count and not the vote to get the male candidate (highest overall wins, then if the winner isn't male the highest male wins if the winner was male the 2nd count wins). But I am not convinced without seeing how many women there were and what instructions were given exactly to what degree males were advantaged.
MuseRider
(34,624 posts)I also think he has big ideas that may be good and some may be bad. He has some learning to do because like it or not all the old folks whose butt prints are forever imprinted in those seats will likely win over anything he wants to do with old ideas that have never worked. He probably already knows that but is presenting his views anyway and that might be a big no-no to some or most of them. To be progressive is scary or to terrify with new ways of doing things....yikes.
I believe we need more David Hoggs even if just to push us old folks into thinking without being so damned stodgy all the time. Move ahead, do something that will REALLY change things. Not just kinda, sorta.
He needs experience, this is always how it goes with new people, young or old, who have new ideas. I bet he hangs in there and wherever he eventually lands, does some really good things. IF we do not stop the old people, like me, with old and stale ideas, not like me, we will wander along the path we have worn out already and repeat and repeat all the things that do not work. We need the younger people out working with us and learning what they can. We can hang on to and use the great things we have done while watching them learn and grow. Throwing them out is a very bad idea IMO.
Hekate
(97,586 posts)Same thing I said about AOC when she first got to the House and did some really counterproductive things, and just look at her now.
Being brilliant and full of fire isn’t enough, when you are also very young and don’t know everything about everything yet.
MuseRider
(34,624 posts)They have to learn so teach them, let them put where it fits for them and encourage them with all the ideas.
Ping Tung
(2,341 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,701 posts)is pretty high profile on social media, and if Ken Martin goes on a vendetta to get rid of him because he doesn't want any new ideas or to have things shaken up a little (WHICH WE NEED since we keep getting creamed)... this will not go well.
Don't get rid of the young people you brought into leadership positions, then turn around in 2026 and 2028 and wonder why young voters aren't showing up...
Nanjeanne
(6,083 posts)Or a strategy for winning elections.
MichMan
(15,102 posts)The complaint is being handled per the bylaws and given due process.
Kid Berwyn
(20,340 posts)Some people -- the ones screwed -- don't forget this in November.
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GP6971
(34,758 posts)
That one was easy!!
Too easy!
Hekate
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Hekate
(97,586 posts)I definitely think this needs discussing by the people who gave him this kind of platform.
Facts are pesky things, but MAGA is starting a civil war with GOP, so that means there are a whole bunch of MAGAGOP seats that are shaky.
Instead of shooting ourselves in the foot one more time, wouldn’t it be great to use $20M to primary effing Republicans?!
sheshe2
(92,001 posts)He alone will do this. He will make the decision on who to primary. His 25 years of life and the years of experience he gained in a political office will help guide him. Oh, wait, he has never held an office.
Sorry, David, you are not doing yourself any favors here.
Renew Deal
(83,901 posts)Especially after pushing Biden to drop out last year, (which I supported).
MichMan
(15,102 posts)Last edited Tue May 13, 2025, 02:22 PM - Edit history (1)
Mr. Hogg is certainly free to run, and may ultimately still end up as the winner.
That is assuming that the DNC will even vote to cancel the old election and schedule a new one. They may just deny the complaint and let it stand.
W_HAMILTON
(8,972 posts)If Hogg has the support of the voters -- you know, "democracy" -- he should be able to win again, should he not?
JustAnotherGen
(34,960 posts)Kenyatta is young, Black, gay man who represents Northern Philadelphia in the PA House. He's run and WON.
Why isn't anyone worried about him in this election? They are both on the line.
My hope is that a PROVEN winner who has a high profile in a Purple State gets to keep his seat.
He filled very big entrenched shoes in the 181st.
JI7
(91,880 posts)
marble falls
(65,297 posts)
Bettie
(18,261 posts)isn't a good look.
But, hey, if that's the direction they want to move...
bucolic_frolic
(50,318 posts)The election was for leaders to help the party, not take it over.
Bettie
(18,261 posts)that they are neither wanted nor needed in leadership...what age do they become wanted/needed? 60? 70? 80?
JustAnotherGen
(34,960 posts)That's the age Malcolm Kenyatta was when he won his PA House Seat (181st). He'll be 35 in July. WAs 34 when he won his seat on the DNC.
LetMyPeopleVote
(163,002 posts)I have been active in state and county politics for a while. There is a rule that for each position such as representative to the state party executive committee from each congressional district or each major party affiliate group, there needs to be one male and one female (in the case of LGBTQ individuals, they get to decide which slot to run for). This rule was violated when both Malcom Kenyatta and David Hogg were elected when there was female also running.
https://bsky.app/profile/yvonnewingett.bsky.social/post/3lozdc2a3t22u
Link to tweet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/12/hogg-dnc-leadership-election-vote/
The Credentials Committee’s recommendation will get a vote from the full DNC membership. If approved, the two vice chair elections will be invalidated, and new elections will be held as soon as practicable. The new elections will be limited to the same five candidates who were eligible at the February vote.
The challenge to the election was filed more than two months ago — before Hogg’s announcement about primary challenges — by Kalyn Free, an Oklahoma activist who unsuccessfully sought one of the vice chair slots in the Feb. 1 election. She argued the DNC broke its rules on gender diversity in party officer elections, invalidating the election of Hogg and a second vice chair, Malcolm Kenyatta.......
“I am disappointed to learn that before I became Chair, there was a procedural error in the February Vice Chair elections. The Credentials Committee has issued their recommendation, and I trust that the DNC Members will carefully review the Committee’s resolution and resolve this matter fairly,” Martin said in a statement. “I thank all of our officers for their service, including Vice Chairs Kenyatta and Hogg, and look forward to continuing to work with them in their officer posts as this matter is resolved.”
Kenyatta said Monday night that framing the vote around Hogg is “nonsense” and that the story is not about Hogg “even though he clearly wants it to be.” He touted his own accomplishments as vice chair and said the committee’s decision was “a slap in my face.”
Rebl2
(16,306 posts)DNC, didn’t follow their own rules in this election? If so, there should be another vote.
rich7862
(483 posts)If you dems cant smell a set up against Hogg. Please this is nazi putin propaganda.
JI7
(91,880 posts)tritsofme
(19,154 posts)nonsense.
Meowmee
(9,085 posts)
BlueTsunami2018
(4,358 posts)They just can’t seem to avoid stepping on their own feet. This man wins an election, says a few things the wigs don’t like and all of sudden there’s a “procedural” problem. If he’d have just gone along to get along, none of this would be happening.
Don’t piss in my ear and tell me it’s raining. It’s a bad look and the fascists are just loving this. How are we to fight them if we can’t get our own shit together?
MichMan
(15,102 posts)She must be quite the visionary
JI7
(91,880 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(163,002 posts)The party screwed up and elected two males for Executive Vice President when the party rules require one male and one female Executive Vice President. If Hogg can get more votes that Malcome Kenyatta, then he can serve. Here is a good explanation from Malcome Kenyatta
Link to tweet
LetMyPeopleVote
(163,002 posts)Kenyatta is trying to get this issue resolved quickly
Link to tweet
The first ballot in a potential re-run race would be Kenyatta v Hogg for male slot as vice chair.
LexVegas
(6,700 posts)
AKwannabe
(6,770 posts)Convenient.
That is all