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Elizabeth Warren @SenWarren 3hRepublicans, before you vote to close 1 of 4 nursing homes, can you update us on where those people will go?
Maybe call a few seniors in your state and go over plans for where they go next?
Or call the son whose dad has dementia and tell him how he can be a full-time caregiver?



vapor2
(2,605 posts)Part of me just says this party of GREED and POWER will own everything that happens
DENVERPOPS
(12,776 posts)are run by slumlord Uber Rich, oligarchs as their "Cash Cows"..........just wait for them to figure out who/what caused their income to be obliterated.
That is the same thing that Countless U.S. Corporations will finally "wake" up to as their businesses crash as a direct result of the RepubliCon party THEY helped put in place with massive campaign donations...........
an example is the current Soy Bean farmers that didn't learn the first time.....of course Trump bailed them all out for his disastrous tariff on China for soybeans.
Trump scrambled and made the farmers whole again, spending 60 billion......of course many of those bailed out were "Corporate Farms"
allegorical oracle
(5,232 posts)make headlines about abuse and neglect -- even rapes that occurred.
It's improved with legislation, but costs are beyond the means of most people. Now called "senior living facilities" can charge $300,000 to be accepted and $3,000-$6,000 per month for a one-or-two-bedroom apartment. They're very nice, all-inclusive -- meals, transportation, activities, medical attention. But largely unaffordable for most.
The average options are as you point out -- cash cows for shady LLCs.
Katinfl
(392 posts)They are , in fact, senior living facilities , designed for people with the means to live there. No one on Medicaid lives in one of those facilities. Most residents in a skilled nursing facility (nursing home) are on Medicaid. They are very different.
allegorical oracle
(5,232 posts)"nursing homes" at least generically. They may think that the word "skilled" has changed a stereotype of them, but the mother of a lifelong friend of mine was raped in one of those facilities. Maybe some are fine -- and make a valid effort to hire skilled personnel, but the prospect of living in one of them can be grim.
Lonestarblue
(12,761 posts)And most of the dont what happens to seniors, or to anyone else for that matter. They care only about doing what their billionaire overlords tell them to do.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(27,979 posts)"Continuing Care Communities" and yes, they are very expensive to get into.
Meanwhile there are still plenty of senior living places such as the one I'm in. It's essentially an apartment house with about a hundred units altogether, divided between independent (the lion's share) and assisted living. My monthly rent includes two meals per do, transportation to grocery store, various activities Rummikub or bingo. On Fridays there's a lunch excursion to some restaurant in town, chosen from resident suggestions. Frankly, I'm surprised that many more residents don't go out to these, especially given the complaints many have about the food here.
Joinfortmill
(18,366 posts)rurallib
(63,846 posts)and when the cameras aren't their they celebrate causing so much pain and upheaval. After all, what good is power if you can't use it.
No, I believe they know full well what they are doing. Good gawd how many times do they have to be told?
Native
(7,162 posts)I'm sure DeathSantis will have a solution for us here in Florida though. Not to worry, seniors, he can whip something up for us in the Everglades.
wcmagumba
(4,197 posts)

BlueKota
(4,338 posts)They don't have a soul or a conscience. They are just cash hungry monsters.
SocialDemocrat61
(5,046 posts)
RockRaven
(17,507 posts)Which is what MAGA Republicans want. They are fully into Nazi "useless eaters" and "Lebensunwertes Leben" (life unworthy of life) territory these days, just look at the sort of stuff Bobby Brainworm and Fraudster Oz have been spewing.
This isn't hyperbole; MAGA Republicans want people to die in droves so that the wealthiest people on earth -- who already have so much they literally could not spend it all on material goods if they tried every day of their remaining life to do so -- can be yet even wealthier.
BonnieJW
(2,950 posts)As soon as they entered the camps. Also, the ill, children, anyone with any kind of disability or mental issues. Since we are now a nation run by nazis, I'm sure they'll follow the same procedures.
Nigrum Cattus
(687 posts)mahina
(19,865 posts)To the morgue next
I am fighting hatred in my heart.
Seinan Sensei
(1,033 posts)Thats the Re-Thug in concept of a plan
Karasu
(1,499 posts)Silent Type
(10,221 posts)Center for Medicare Advocacy. There are plenty of other similar articles.
MARCH 14, 2024
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Nursing homes claim to lose money every year, but they stay in business and dont close or file for bankruptcy. How is that possible? Its possible because industry claims arent true. Nursing homes hide 62.9% of profits by paying inflated prices to related parties, primarily for real estate and management services.
In Tunneling and Hidden Profits in Health Care, economists Ashvin Gandhi and Andrew Olenski report that if nursing facilities spent their hidden profits on staffing, mean staffing ratios would significantly increase by nearly 0.23 hours per resident day (HPRD) of registered nurse (RN) time, a 28.9% increase, or by 0.47 HPRD of certified nurse aide (CNA) hours per resident day, a 21.0% increase.
Moreover, if the hidden profits were spent on staffing, facilities would be much closer to complying with the staffing hours identified in the Biden Administrations proposed staffing ratio rule. Compliance with the 0.45 HPRD RN requirements would rise from 55.2% to 75.6%; compliance with the proposed 2.55 HPRD certified nurse aide (CNA) standard would rise from 15.3% to 36.1%.
The researchers base their work on 24 years of nursing homes Medicaid cost reports in Illinois, which requires facilities to submit detailed Medicaid cost report information, including mandatory reporting of information about related parties. Gandhi suspects that hiding profits might be more common in states other than Illinois, where its easier to not report the transactions.
Heres link, but paragraphs above are pretty much it https://medicareadvocacy.org/nursing-homes-hide-profits/
Again, not for cuts, but NHs arent really the target for cuts, and they can absorb some whatever hits them. I bet they are doing well 5 years from now. Admittedly, some small mom-and-pop homes struggle.
No NH resident all of whom meet tough requirements for Medicaid NH coverage - will be impacted by any work requirements.
Hope bill fails, in any event.
W_HAMILTON
(9,215 posts)Lucky you.
Many nursing homes limit the number of "Medicaid beds" they have so that they can instead focus on the much more profitable private pay patients.
Cutting Medicaid funding will in no way help everyday Americans. There will be even fewer Medicaid beds, which means poor and middle class families will themselves be forced to care for loved ones that they most likely do not have the resources or expertise to provide.
Silent Type
(10,221 posts)take their place.
Not to say that some poor people wont fall through cracks, but nursing homes go out of business often, sometimes for questionable reasons including administrator/owner spending too much of profits that dont go back into the facility.
Maybe some GOPers having to take care of grandma might change their views on a lot of things.
MadameButterfly
(3,156 posts)The owners of nuseing homes aren't going to take the hit for medicaid cuts. They'll reduce the number of medicaid beds and there just won't be enough beds for people who can't pay out of pocket. If rich people are running nursing home to make a profit, and the profit is reduced by less Medicaid money, do you think they'll keep running the homes without the profit?
Whether they are forced to close or choose to close, we are without these nursing homes.
Silent Type
(10,221 posts)is another question.
W_HAMILTON
(9,215 posts)Bengus81
(8,937 posts)NickB79
(19,954 posts)Newsflash: by and large, they won't.
AverageOldGuy
(2,690 posts). . . will go home. Families will need to learn how to change sheets with a person in the bed, how to deal with a bed pan, watch for bed sores . . . .
I wrote a letter to the editor of my local paper back in March telling folks with family members in nursing homes that they had best learn these and other skills. You can imagine the torrent of shit that poured out in response. I can hardly wait to wave it in their faces.
GoCubsGo
(33,984 posts)Let these assholes in Congress tend to them.
jmbar2
(6,971 posts)They have long said they don't like government social safety nets. Now is their time to step up to feed the poor and care for the sick. I'd like to see the megachurches turned into social service/healthcare/nursing centers.
Seinan Sensei
(1,033 posts)to take-in elderly in need of care.
Just like the pro birth ( NOT Pro-Life) faction could not be bothered to adopt foster children.
pnwmom
(109,922 posts)for a loved one at home, even if they could find them.
Skittles
(165,501 posts)it would very much hurt their profits
allegorical oracle
(5,232 posts)from federal social services. One in my area takes a down payment (don't know the cost) and then your Social Security check flows directly to the church's bank account. Residents receive a small allowance for food, but depend on family members for funds to spend on needed clothing and personal items.
jmbar2
(6,971 posts)Do they mainly serve their own church members? Wonder how they will be affected by the Billionaire's bill cuts.
allegorical oracle
(5,232 posts)generally house two residents so folks I've spoken with said they have had a hard time adapting to roommates...and have heard food complaints, but it's otherwise something of a model facility.
jmbar2
(6,971 posts)Had problems with the roommate and general noise levels. Fortunately, they were able to move him to the end of the hall and my sister brought him good headphones. He is happy being on his laptop all day, so that has worked out for now.
roamer65
(37,658 posts)Coming soon from a Repuke near you.
Figarosmom
(6,531 posts)Provide home care services, are already having problems because so many are here on visas and dickhead has pretty much canceled their visas. Many of the home care are long time illegal residents that have learned how to get by e-verify or permanant residents from Cuba, Haiti or other South American countries that dickhead canceled their papers too. And did he cancel the visas from Ukraine 🇺🇦 and 🇵🇱 Poland like he said he was? Many of them work as care workers too.
BigmanPigman
(53,253 posts)In that order. The MAGATS are greedy sadists.
timms139
(312 posts)a bunch of undertakers that are donors they want to make rich .
Joinfortmill
(18,366 posts)KT2000
(21,550 posts)They vary by state but center around the fact that adult children are expected to support their parents and their long term care needs. It kicks in if they do not qualify for Medicaid.
https://www.harborlifesettlements.com/4-ways-filial-responsibility-laws-can-affect-you/
Joinfortmill
(18,366 posts)I loved my parents and would have willingly helped them in their old age. It wasn't necessary, they had sufficient resources. That being said, it's difficult to wrap my mind around how this is legal.
BoRaGard
(5,970 posts)"So we have that problem solved in advance. Heh heh." - G.O.P., INC.
TommieMommy
(2,123 posts)Many adults cannot care for their parents and work and care for their kids and or grandkids because of financial issues. Families are struggling.
Trueblue Texan
(3,431 posts)...jobs that provided the only household income, in order to care for their parents who didn't qualify for medicare/medicaid. TSF's policies are killing America and Americans...as quickly as possible. Enough is enough.
SSJVegeta
(998 posts)Republicans don't care about making grandparents homeless
progressoid
(51,526 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,489 posts)"We keep trying, but the Dems are so evil that they are stopping us from rescuing Medicaid"
I hate these people with every fiber in my being
mac56
(17,763 posts)Passages
(3,068 posts)Kid Berwyn
(20,943 posts)Cant expect the wealthy to pay for them, can we?
librechik
(30,855 posts)CountAllVotes
(21,820 posts)They were trying to find a bed for him somewhere and they could not find one.
He ended up being sent to an end-of-life facility when he died about a week later. The cost of this fell upon me. It was $500.00 a day. I don't know what would have happened if I did not have a $5000.00 line of credit on my credit card because that is how I paid for it.
It was THE saddest time of my life and no, I still have not gotten over it and likely I never will.
He was a veteran that worked hard and he deserved so much more!
& recommend.
area51
(12,360 posts)
lastlib
(26,193 posts)Seems we're not far removed from the Nazi extermination campaigns, are we?
Demovictory9
(36,495 posts)Lovie777
(19,098 posts)pandr32
(13,146 posts)hatrack
(62,847 posts).
JT45242
(3,443 posts)Think of all the social security money they will save with all these people dying.
LittleGirl
(8,786 posts)Two or more bad luck occurrences and death of my spouse could land me in a nursing home!
Im worried about everyone including myself.
JCMach1
(28,741 posts)This will be a huge blow.
bluestarone
(19,914 posts)They accused Democrats of death panels. They are WORTHLESS pieces of shit.
Evolve Dammit
(20,918 posts)C Moon
(12,964 posts)dsharp88
(521 posts)Theyre of no use to republicans anymore - too sick to vote and no money to donate.
zorbasd
(429 posts)dystopian regime has sprong its ugly fascistic head......when the US will eventually be doomed.
malaise
(285,872 posts)That is all
halobeam
(5,046 posts)from now on, from any procedure & just suffer that pain, and build up our arsenal for the most compassionate way to go.
By our own hand, in our own terms, and let our adult kids have one less nightmare on their hands.
I know my exit won't be by the horrid design of the selfish and the greedy. They sure as hell won't get the last say when it comes my time, nor dictate, demand my children to give up their God given right to live happily. SO.. totally fuck that. And fuck them, too. And that also, is all.