The idea you would stay home and not vote for Kamala Harris because of Gaza

[Eliot Rosewater]

Thus allowing the biggest piece of shit on earth who would cause far more death and destruction there by not voting for her, insane.



I refuse to engage in communication with anyone who actually believes this is a legitimate reason to have allowed the piece of shit to become president.

[yardwork]

1. And similarly....

Anyone who discourages support for the Democratic nominee for mayor of NYC, on the basis that his position isn't pure enough, is also a dumbass.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. All I know is I support every Democrat in every election

Because the alternative is hell on earth.

[yardwork]

7. This!

[calimary]

14. Yep. Absolutely.

There’s NO other option.

Voting for a third party as some lame-ass “protest” is just making it harder for the Democrat to win, and a lot easier for the Republican to win. It divides what would have been a larger share for the Dems.

[C Moon]

18. And the proof is looking us all dead in the eye.

[Polybius]

12. I remember when Nina Turner was running for Congress a few years ago

Had she won the nomination, it would have gotten interesting here. Many publicly stated that they would not vote for her.

[W_HAMILTON]

23. That's another reason fellow progressives should have always supported the Democratic nominee.

Because if the shoe is on the other foot and progressives actually start winning in more than just the bluest of blue areas and make headway into purple areas, if some of the more moderate types withhold their votes from the progressive Democratic nominee, they almost assuredly will lose. But as many have pointed out, those that voted strictly on Gaza -- when many didn't even know what Gaza was a few months' prior -- and other similarly amplified wedge issues are being short-sighted and cutting off their nose to spite their face. It's like they can't see the ramifications of their actions and instead only have the ability to see a couple of weeks in the future.

[SSJVegeta]

2. Thats probably more of a Michigan problem than anything else

...and winning Michigan wouldnt have changed anything unfortunately

[OLDMDDEM]

4. I 100% agree with you. I have family who are magats. Makes for a lousy get together.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. You have my sympathies.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. We need a divide and conquer strategy to tag the GOP with

Income inequality doesn't seem to work because you help the poor and the upper brackets pay even while the billionaires avoid taxes.

Freedom might work. Republicans have stolen freedom. That cannot be denied. But it's an abstract concept. Really need leaders who are articulate and vocal, and need to speak with one set of principles. That might be Newsom's angle if he's up for it.

[Justice matters.]

15. I suggest they repeat the fact that the convicted idiot paid

$14.42307692307692 per week in federal taxes when he paid $750 a year, and $0.00 when he paid nothing.

Say it loudly like "fourteen dollars and forty two point three zero seven six ninety two thirty seven six nine two cents" to make it stick in their memory by being abnormal speak, thus getting their "attention" and tell them the convicted idiot now threatens to cut THEIR services they pay for by giving THEIR money to the rich instead.

Maybe that will "finally" work? Hopefully, before the convicted idiot destroys everything good

[PunkinPi]

20. Kamala Harris's 107 day campaign theme was literally "Freedom", she even used Beyonce's

"Freedom" as the walk-on music to her campaign events.

[betsuni]

29. THANK YOU.

Ignored. Democrats are ignored and their history revised and it's constant whining and scolding and bashing.

[PunkinPi]

31. YW, betsuni!

Sometimes I feel like I'm in another dimension bc of how quickly things seem to be memory-holed, or like you said, ignored. It's really exhausting bc it feels like you have to constantly battle all fronts, all the time.

[Paladin]

6. Yeah, thanks for absolutely NOTHING, non-voters.

You bear prime responsibility for empowering trump and his voters and landing us in the massive shit show we face, now.

[Johnny2X2X]

8. It's really disheartening to see people manipulated

I am here in Michigan, and the flip in votes in Dearborn and Hamtramack alone from Biden in 2020 to Trump in 2024 flipped the whole state.

I believe there were a lot of misled people and a concerted disinformation effort around Trump and Palestine. And I believe some Muslim leaders in these places may have been paid off.

A vote for Trump on the issue of Gaza means you voted for the complete and total destruction of Gaza where every single man women and child who lives there will be either exterminated or ejected. That is the BiBi/Trump plan, they literally told us their exact plan. They plan to develop the land into resorts after every single Gazan is gone., so I don't want to hear hope of peace or cease fires, they will be only temporary because a cease fire doesn't further the plan.

Gaza is gone, the 2024 US election guaranteed that. Nothing can save it now.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Yeah, that decision isn't aging well, is it?

If only they had warning of Trump's pro-Israel stance.

[ITAL]

10. I interact with plenty of these kinds of people

If anything, they've become more strident in their views since.

[Arazi]

11. Yup. Bluesky and /reddit are full of those voters

They’re utterly rabid now. Every conversation will get turned to the I/P issue and heaven help a poster if they’re not pure enough on the issue, they’re going to get dogpiled.

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. All the more reason why I will never interact with them

As I will never interact with a maga.

Why would I interact with a uniformed Nazi soldier who’s pointing their gun at me and trying to shoot me?

It wasn’t that long ago when I said the above that I was mocked.

[JI7]

16. It's like a personal religion for them. They don't even seem to care about

what is actually happening in Gaza send doing something to change it's.

It's more about their "conscience" and being seen as pure or some shit.

it's become more of some personal identity.

[Oopsie Daisy]

52. Yes... it's a cult-like virtue signaling. Very selfish. It's another variation of the "all or nothing" philosophy *

* wherein those who make such demands ALWAYS end up with NOTHING. And this is very closely related to those who advocate for the "it's not perfect, so let's sabotage it and burn it to the ground" philosophy. --- In the end, those who live by these mindsets only benefit the Republicans, Trump, and the entire GOP/Russian agenda.

[Martin Eden]

77. They think Trump is better for the Palestian people than Harris

Or Biden?

If so, they are willfully blind.

[ITAL]

78. Not that exactly

More that "genocide is genocide" and that Biden facilitated it by continuing to sell Israel weapons. Furthermore (according to them), until there is a meaningful difference between the two camps, supporting Democrats is just as bad as Republicans -- and maybe even worse since at least Republicans are honest about not caring about the Palestinians.

[Martin Eden]

79. Logically, if there is no "meaningful difference" then the Gaza issue is a wash

Therefore, other issues become the deciding factor in who to vote for. Do they favor Trump on economics, the environment, civil rights, etc?

Of course, there IS a difference. Trump’s 1st term featured the Muslim ban and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

Then came his 2nd term. Do they seriously think a Harris administration would have announced the intent to remove every Palestinian from Gaza?

They are just digging in their heels because they refuse to accept any responsibility for the utter catastrophe that is hurting so many people now, and is likely to get much worse.

[ITAL]

80. Again

Killing them all or removing them all for them means little difference. And no, they don't really favor Trump on anything, but if given two "evil" options in the furtherance of a genocide, they choose neither since (again it's according to them) it's basically saying Hitler was okay since the trains ran on time and people had jobs.

It is continuously frustrating to talk to these people. I've dealt with it well more than a year at this point...and like I said it's only gotten worse since November of last year.

[Martin Eden]

81. I would have thought that compassion for human suffering motivated them on Gaza

But no, that can't be it.

Because it is obvious they don't care at all for the millions likely to die from the elimination of USAID and all the suffering already being inflicted on people in America.

[1WorldHope]

17. I think that the reason Kamala didn't get elected is more complicated than that.

But I think the biggest reason is elon musk helped him cheat.
I don't blame young people for the anger they have at nitwit yahoo. What he has and is doing to Gaza is genocide.
Being angry at young people won't get them to fall in line. Youth is a time for idealism, but, being against genocide isn't just an ideal, it should be a basic part of our moral code.

[brakester]

21. You said it!!!

Pay attention America, this extermination of the Gazan people is just a rehearsal for what they are planning for us.

Why else would they drain the government of carefully cultivated expert civil servants? Or start starving working people by talking away SNAP benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare?
Why else would they destroy our economy by cruelty disappearing our immigrant workers to warring failed states? Workers who love and believe in what America stands for, who pay taxes but never collect benefits?

Pay attention!

It's not just a new form of tough love. their plan is to obliterate anyone who They feel are of no use to them. They figure their money and power will save them, but they are not only selfish but blind and stupid.

In their arrogance, they believe that a smaller population of their fellow sociopaths would solve all their problems. After all, they've developed AI and are fine with technobots performing necessary labor.

I think most of America underestimates their mixture of sheer indifference and scorn they feel for anyone not in their IN group. They don't need us and swat us away like annoying mosquitoes.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Yes, the election was rigged, but are you saying supporting Harris was pro-genocide?

I am assuming that is not what you’re saying.

By the way, not voting in the 2020 or 2024 election if you were on the left or close to the left, has nothing to do with nuance whatsoever.

Not voting meant you were either Racist or misogynist or just flat out stupid as fuck not to understand what was it stake.

[1WorldHope]

34. You're right, I was not saying a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide.

I voted for Harris in case you were starting to wonder. And I'm mad as a wasp who's been stuck in a screen door for hours about Trump winning.
I am trying very hard to understand the youth of our country. I think we could add naivete to your list. But, mostly, it just doesn't help to eat our own.
If we could bring back the energy and Love from the 1960's we would win a lot more hearts and minds.
Don't think I don't cuss and spit when I see what the bigot in the white house is doing, and the men signing up to do his bidding. I'm not a perfect pacifist. I'm just saving my worst impulses for the enemy. ✌🏼

[Eliot Rosewater]

60. Good to hear

?si=UmtcmjVrRhq6gzrq


One thing to realize, the election was rigged. Please watch this video and then there is a part 2 watch that as well . there’s no question about it.

[electric_blue68]

75. I am making my way through this, since I've had like a 10% not sure

about the legitimacy of it. Ty

[H2O Man]

19. Politics & Boxing

If a boxer/politician wins, they get the credit. Their trainer/campaign gets credit, too. And the supporters are happy.

Likewise, if a boxer/politician loses, they own the loss. Their trainer/campaign shares that loss. Their supporters are unhappy.

Only one side makes excuses, or has a compulsive need to blame "others." It has always been thus, it is thus now, and it is a safe bet it will remain so in the future. For winners and their supporters do not need excuses, or a need to blame others.

As Rubin told me fifty years ago, "closed minds, like closed rooms, always become stuffy."

[mcar]

22. Happy to kick this

[Oopsie Daisy]

24. The representative who encouraged the so-called "Uncommitted" movement has been absent *

* from the public arena. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places, but prior to the election, there wasn't a place on the internet or on TV that they could not be seen and heard. Where's the outrage now? Is the silence because of shame, embarrassment... or simply humble satisfaction because mission accomplished?

[Eliot Rosewater]

25. Are you referring to the 2024 election and Gaza? I dont recal who that or they were exactly, I just

remember seeing the outrage like when people were outraged that Hillary gave a speech once or wouldnt guarantee Medicare for All and therefore there was no reason to vote for her

But on the Gaza thing I was so BLOWN AWAY it was HAPPENING AGAIN, I could not engage with anyone...

[Oopsie Daisy]

27. Yes. And I remember that, too. Many chose to NOT vote for the Democrat and chose instead to *

* vote (or not-vote) in order to "punish" the Democrats, rather than to move the country closer to the things and ideals that they valued (presumably). These non-voters were the ones who complained that they needed something to vote FOR, not something to vote AGAINST... remember that? Well, it seems to be happening again. The kneecapping and sabotage from the past are happening all over again.

It's always the same thing... any variation on any of these themes: Oh dear, my house has a squeaky floor board... I think I'll burn it to the ground and start over. My car's tires are a little low, I think I'll push it off of a cliff. The Democrat isn't perfect, so I'll just throw my vote away on the Sarandon candidate. Oh, I didn't win my primary, I'll start my own People's Party and try to split the vote. Revolution!! (Or something.)

[AZProgressive]

35. They made a similar mistake progressives made in 2016

Even though they were loud they were a small minority but they thought if they withheld their votes that would force the party to listen them and appeal to their interests but if anything they moved to the right from Hillary Clinton with Joe Biden.

Uncommitted Muslims and others who voted for Democrats since 2004 who were understandably upset by the Biden's administration actions tried to do the same thing but they didn't realize it just causes the party to double-down and ignore their interests if not outright hostile to them. Mehdi Hasan tried to point this out, he was supportive of Harris and the Democrats because he understood Trump was worst and knew that the few progressives who tried to withhold their vote didn't work out in their favor.

The People's Party was always an irrelevant party, the infighting with what little membership they had -- even Nina Turner split from them before she ran as a Democrat.

I'm a blue no matter who type of voter but I think if Democrats are sincere about winning in future elections they should try to heal divisions and bring back loyal constituents back into the fold.

[Oopsie Daisy]

38. If someone voted Green, or didn't vote... they're really not "loyal" are they?

Don't play these word games with me, please.

I think these DISLOYAL and treacherous voters can be written-off and the Democratic party would be better off spending the same amount of time and effort (and money) finding MORE voters elsewhere rather than trying to convince a handful of disloyal voters to come "back into the fold". Those who burn the bridges in the first place are the ones who have the obligation to rebuild it... that's fair, right?

Besides, they've shown their colors. They can't be trusted. Nor can anyone who defends the "uncommitted" movement or the "leave it blank" movement and makes excuses for them. They cut off their own noses. Fuck 'em.

[electric_blue68]

62. Oh, yeah..."punish the Democrats "...Welp, now Most of Us are/will be being punished by the stuff drumphf/Repuglicans...

do, or withhold.

"Thanks" an effin' lot!

[PunkinPi]

32. The north remembers...

and coincidentally,

[Oopsie Daisy]

36. IS THAT LEGIT?? Did he really endorse the "leave it blank" movement? OMG!

I simply cannot support anyone who encourages others to NOT vote for the Democratic presidential candidate. If this is true and legit and not AI or photoshop... then I can understand why some of our more senior party leaders have not endorsed him. It's all starting ot make sense...

IF this is all true. Is it? Can anyone confirm?

[PunkinPi]

39. I believe he scrubbed his Xitter acct, specifically "uncommited", there are more...

[Oopsie Daisy]

43. Wow! The thing about voting for "uncommitted" or "leaving it blank" even in a primary...

... and those who are guilty of encouraging this sentiment and mindset... the non-voter has already decided that they are NOT going to come back during the General Election and vote for the party's nominee. They have been brainwashed into believing that NOT voting is an effective way to send a message. They have been deceived into checking-out of the political process. And in the end, this ALWAYS benefits the GOP. Always!

I can see now how loyal Democrats who actually supported our party's nominee are having difficulty in coming with someone who encouraged others to "check out" and ABANDON the Democratic party early on... and those who did, as I noted earlier, NEVER RETURNED to support the nominee.

What a disappointment to learn this.

[mcar]

41. I'd like to know too

[Oopsie Daisy]

44. If true, it certainly explains a lot of the lukewarm reactions from loyal party members *

* who actually supported our party's nominee in both the Primary and in the General. When someone can be convinced to skip the primary as a form of protest, they are no longer invested in the outcome of the election. So, they'll skip the General election too (as we saw).

[PunkinPi]

47. See post #45, I found the actual tweet. nt

[PunkinPi]

45. I actually just found the tweet itself, maybe I typo'd when searching...

Link to tweet

[Oopsie Daisy]

48. Well, this helps to explain the hedging and verbal acrobatics that I've been observing *

* in some quarters.

[mcar]

49. It sure does, Oopsie

Explains a lot.

[Eliot Rosewater]

69. So he did encourage people to sit out the 2024 over Gaza?

If so, maybe my grandson is right who says that I am way too emotionally involved and it’s unhealthy for me. Maybe I need to just give up.

[Cha]

73. The Big fucking Problem is.

That's a Lie.. Pres Biden was Not for Genocide But their Actions & Words helped Get us Where are Today.

And, Traitor told them what he was going to do to Gaza and We Warned them.

[Polybius]

82. Disgusting

[sop]

28. "We didn't vote for Kamala because of Gaza, but now that Democrats are in the minority, why won't they stop Trump?"

[Oopsie Daisy]

51. EXACTLY! Ain't that some stupid shit? 😡🤬😠

[MorbidButterflyTat]

65. Good question

Maybe for the same reason they protested at Democratic campaign events but never the MAGAts.

Something stinks.

[JI7]

72. And even now they are respectful towards Trump

Even in disagreement it will be a letter and not even strongly worded one at that.

While they screamed genocide joe, killer Kamala and other hateful fucked up things.

[wendyb-NC]

30. Thank you, I agree totally

We as a nation, are in a very sketchy place now. It is due to people, not exercising their right to vote.

It hasn't had any impact on the situation, they were tied up in knots about, in Gaza, because they chose to stay home.

[Keepthesoulalive]

33. They were MAGA adjacent

They just wanted their vote but they were not going to allow them in the party. They were not going to vote for a woman and Gaza gave them an excuse. They really didn’t care about anything other than hate and disruption. Why are they not disrupting republican meetings, why are they not fighting for the Palestinians who are being slaughtered. They were never on our side or the side of America. They were hidden trumpers.

[AZProgressive]

37. Muslims specifically voted for Democrats since 2004

Including for Hillary Clinton. They also voted for Joe Biden in 2020 but they didn't expect their vote would lead to a genocide. I think they were legitimately concerned about the ongoing occupation and genocide but they were misguided in their approach thinking the party would address their concerns by withholding their vote.

[Keepthesoulalive]

40. Where are the protests now

The people of Dearborn should have stood for the Palestinians in Gaza.
I don’t se them calling trump a genocidal maniac, they are silent and on social media doubling down on their purity vote as the Palestinians are slaughtered. This vote counted to save their people, they don’t seem to care that Gaza is being turned into a killing field.

[betsuni]

46. I thought "grassroots" movements didn't disappear the day after an election.

Leave it Blank -- apparently that meant people's minds.

[PunkinPi]

53. They're doing "strongly worded letters" now...

Link to tweet

Letter included in original tweet (so you don't have to go there):

[MorbidButterflyTat]

67. THAT

makes my blood boil.

[betsuni]

74. Their strongly worded letters have imaginary The Arc of History Will Prove Me Right So Obey Or Else powers

while everybody knows those yucky old corrupt warmonger Democrats' letters are double milquetoast which cannot pull the wool over anyone's eyes, for we the righteous are the smartest ones in the room and nothing bad could ever be our fault.

[1WorldHope]

56. They may be afraid of getting deported or disappearing now.

[Keepthesoulalive]

57. Many of them were born in the United States.

Henry Ford hired many immigrants from the Middle East.
I hear Jasmine, I don’t hear Rashida. She is not going to be deported.she was full of bull droppings.
Please don’t make excuses for their indifference to the suffering of the people in Gaza.

[1WorldHope]

59. You have the impression that I am making excuses for their indifference to the suffering of the people of gaza?

[Keepthesoulalive]

61. I am making the statement

That none of them are horrified by the slaughter enough to speak up. If you can tell people to vote 3rd party, don’t vote or vote for Donald Trump you should increase your efforts to help Gaza . Someone can speak for the people of Gaza, all I hear is silence. It is not fear or shame it is arrogance. People told you what he would do, he told you he wanted to turn it into a resort and still they wouldn’t vote for Madam Harris.

[mcar]

42. How did their vote lead to a genocide?

You aren’t seriously suggesting that Biden/Harris caused it?

[brakester]

50. All this blind groping around for theories

as to why Harris didn't win just doesn't sit well with me.

Until someone seriously recounts the votes or explains the anomalies in the 2024 election, I see no sense in GUESSING!

I'm not a statistician so I keep looking for the experts to figure it out.


"Allegations and Claims:
Statistical Anomalies: The lawsuit points to various statistical anomalies in the presidential election results in Rockland County. One example cited is that in some districts, hundreds of voters selected the Democratic Senate candidate, Kirsten Gillibrand, but reportedly none voted for the Democratic presidential candidate, Kamala Harris. This discrepancy is being analyzed by a statistician who believes the results are statistically unlikely and warrant further investigation.
Contradicted Vote Counts: Sworn statements from voters in Rockland County claim they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare, contradicting the certified results which showed fewer votes for her.
Concerns about Voting Machine Alterations: A report indicates that changes were made to voting machines in over 40% of U.S. counties before the election, without public disclosure or independent review. This has led to questions about whether these changes affected the election outcome."

Plus, isn't it suspicious that all of the swing states voted for ***mp, but all of them were just under the amounts that would hav

e triggered a recount or test? The chances of that are astronomically impossible.

And the loose-lipped laggard trespassing in our White House gave a wink and a nod to E-loonie on national TV for "helping him" with the voting machines!

Could be a reason for such a close relationship suddenly developing between those 2 corrupt egomaniacs. Quid pro quo. ***mp gives techbro free access to destroy all departments that were investigating him. And in exchange, wins the election for ***mp

[questionseverything]

54. The first thing to do is have human beings examine the votes and count them publicly

It really should be done on election night before there are chain of custody issues but

Maybe that will happen down the road if we could get people to understand democracy demands participation, from campaigning to hand counting of paper ballots in full public view

[BannonsLiver]

55. I hear that's a really hot and trendy position for New York City pols.

🤔

[electric_blue68]

63. It Sure DIDN'T HELP!!! Plus every Dem who DIDN'T Vote for Whatever PATHETIC Excuse!!!

Since I probably'd scare the neighbors if I occasionally screamed and cried the way I really feel at times....

I come here and YELL in Caps, instead! Sigh.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

68. You're not alone

[electric_blue68]

71. Ty

I have luckily good, great things to focus on eksewhere; but I can't ignore this 100%.
I have found taking 1-3 days off DU, MSNBC at night - works for me
.

And sometimes I have to let off steam. 👍

[LetMyPeopleVote]

64. These people voted for the destruction of Gaza

[Bettie]

66. It may have been "because of Gaza" for a very few

but a lot more used that as an excuse for racism and misogyny.

[no_hypocrisy]

76. My small town (less than 12,000) voted for Trump over Harris.

Mostly landlord owners with immigrant tenants, who are significantly Muslim. Near Paterson, also significantly Muslim.

I was a poll worker and I couldn't have been more surprised at 8:03 p.m. when the numbers rolled out of the voting machines. What??!!! Trump??? No!!!

But I should have known my town would lean this way. Back in June, our district had primaries for Congress and our representative, Bill Pascrell, Jr., had easily won for years. But he had a challenger, Mohamed Khairullah. I don't know whether he independently sought the seat or whether he was urged to. While Pascrell won, Khairullah garnered a significant number of votes. I suspected that the voting block was based on support for Khairullah more than the issues locally, regionally, statewide, and/or nationally. And (terrible to say) the voting block obeyed directives who to vote for. Let's say Khairullah "retired" after the primaries and said nothing about Harris and Trump.

Gaza/October 7 was more than six months before the primary, and a raw topic in June and complicated. By November, in our district, it "trumped" the more pressing national issues. And the voters conveniently forgot about Trump's original Muslim ban and voted against Harris as a vicarious vote against Joe Biden, whom they believed favored Israel.

While I don't have the evidence, I suspect that this was the mindset of many Muslim voters, believing and hoping that ANYONE would be better than Kamala Harris and the Palestinians in Gaza would not be further persecuted.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.