Stripping the children of immigrants of birthright citizenship is but a prelude

[indusurb]

How long before Trump demands, and the Supreme Court upholds, that any citizen, no matter how long their family and ancestors have been here, can be stripped of citizenship and shipped off to God knows where. Nobody will be safe, even if your ancestors came over on the Mayflower. Criticize Trump or his minions, poof, you'll be gone. This is what they're creeping up on, this is what they want, this is what is coming.

I think that there is a different approach to combatting this. Rather than arguing over citizenship, asylum, etc, make the case that with these deportations are criminal human trafficking. They are now wanting to ship these people to Sudan(doesn't matter whether South or North) and Libya. The thing is these countries, along with others, still practice slavery, buying and selling of human flesh. So if you're selling people into slavery, are you not engaging in human trafficking?

I think that this is a legal strategy that could work. We need to stop this now, by any means necessary, not only because it is the moral and ethical thing to do, but also because it will be me, or you, next.

[viva la]

1. And it's important to remember that people born in the US might not have access to any other citizenship

Where is this child, born in St. Louis, a citizen, if not in the country of their birth?

What if the country of their ancestors doesn't give them citizenship?

And considering FOUR of Trump's own children-- and he himself-- are the children of immigants-- and Ivana was not a citizen when her children were born-- well, obviously he doesn't care about any children at all.

[EarlG]

2. How long? Not long

DOJ issues directive to strip naturalized citizens of citizenship

The Trump administration has codified its efforts to strip some Americans of their US citizenship in a recently published justice department memo that directs attorneys to prioritize denaturalization for naturalized citizens who commit certain crimes.

The memo, published on 11 June, calls on attorneys in the department to institute civil proceedings to revoke a person’s United States citizenship if an individual either “illegally procured” naturalization or procured naturalization by “concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation”.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220444736

Right now it appears to be focused on naturalized citizens who committed serious crimes, but we certainly seem to be approaching an America where a "serious crime" is whatever the Regime says it is.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. "Right now it appears to be focused on naturalized citizens who committed serious crimes"

Completely disagree with this, very few of the people they are ejecting from the country have committed any crimes.

[EarlG]

7. That's not what I'm saying

You're talking about the ICE round-up of non-U.S. citizens -- and you're right, many if not most of those people are indeed being ejected without having committed any crimes at all.

I'm referring to this brand new denaturalization order which can apparently strip naturalized U.S. citizens of their citizenships if they've committed "certain crimes" and lied on their applications. I'm saying that the definition of "certain crimes" will almost certainly be expanded to included naturalized U.S. citizens who are simply not on board with the Trump regime.

[Igel]

10. Some examples of this in the past were guards in Nazi death or concentration camps.

These cases were fairly notorious, and even 40-50 years after the immigrant arrived in the US and 40 years after naturalization, there was great amount of chest-thumping over the stripping the 75- to 80-year old former guard of citizenship, ripping him away from his family, and sending him back to Germany or Serbia or wherever after living as a productive, responsible US citizen for decades.

Even if they weren't German, if they lied on their naturalization documents, the naturalization is revocable after due process.

Just saying. The law's ultimately the law and nobody's above the law.


The categories of crimes that permanently disbar naturalization are in statute; those that conditionally disbar naturalization are also in statute.

[EarlG]

11. I have no issues with it in principle

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It makes sense to me that if people have committed serious crimes and then lied about them on their naturalization papers, they can lose their citizenship. My concern is that the current regime will expand the definition of what a serious crime is, in order to denaturalize people who haven't done anything (other than oppose the Trump administration).

Edited to add: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220445795

[gab13by13]

3. Pam Bondi will get right on it.

The courts are not going to save us.

[Bettie]

9. Remember how people told us

"the courts will hold" and now, we find that they won't. Fun times.

[Attilatheblond]

4. Trump/Miller are human traffickers

It really is obvious.

[Ilsa]

5. Or you can't be American if you have a

disabling psychiatric or neurological disorder.

That would exclude veterans with PTSD, persons in psychiatric hospitals, group homes, etc. No compassion for the disabled!

[Aaeia]

8. Just how many generations are they going to go?

[ret5hd]

12. maybe we should ask the native americans for some input.

[Aaeia]

13. Well if it were up to me

I'd say we should go all the way back to 1642.