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indusurb

(118 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 11:10 AM 21 hrs ago

Stripping the children of immigrants of birthright citizenship is but a prelude

How long before Trump demands, and the Supreme Court upholds, that any citizen, no matter how long their family and ancestors have been here, can be stripped of citizenship and shipped off to God knows where. Nobody will be safe, even if your ancestors came over on the Mayflower. Criticize Trump or his minions, poof, you'll be gone. This is what they're creeping up on, this is what they want, this is what is coming.

I think that there is a different approach to combatting this. Rather than arguing over citizenship, asylum, etc, make the case that with these deportations are criminal human trafficking. They are now wanting to ship these people to Sudan(doesn't matter whether South or North) and Libya. The thing is these countries, along with others, still practice slavery, buying and selling of human flesh. So if you're selling people into slavery, are you not engaging in human trafficking?

I think that this is a legal strategy that could work. We need to stop this now, by any means necessary, not only because it is the moral and ethical thing to do, but also because it will be me, or you, next.

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Stripping the children of immigrants of birthright citizenship is but a prelude (Original Post) indusurb 21 hrs ago OP
And it's important to remember that people born in the US might not have access to any other citizenship viva la 21 hrs ago #1
How long? Not long EarlG 21 hrs ago #2
"Right now it appears to be focused on naturalized citizens who committed serious crimes" Johnny2X2X 20 hrs ago #6
That's not what I'm saying EarlG 20 hrs ago #7
Some examples of this in the past were guards in Nazi death or concentration camps. Igel 17 hrs ago #10
I have no issues with it in principle EarlG 17 hrs ago #11
Pam Bondi will get right on it. gab13by13 21 hrs ago #3
Remember how people told us Bettie 18 hrs ago #9
Trump/Miller are human traffickers Attilatheblond 20 hrs ago #4
Or you can't be American if you have a Ilsa 20 hrs ago #5
Just how many generations are they going to go? Aaeia 18 hrs ago #8
maybe we should ask the native americans for some input. ret5hd 12 min ago #12

viva la

(4,143 posts)
1. And it's important to remember that people born in the US might not have access to any other citizenship
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 11:17 AM
21 hrs ago

Where is this child, born in St. Louis, a citizen, if not in the country of their birth?

What if the country of their ancestors doesn't give them citizenship?

And considering FOUR of Trump's own children-- and he himself-- are the children of immigants-- and Ivana was not a citizen when her children were born-- well, obviously he doesn't care about any children at all.

EarlG

(23,034 posts)
2. How long? Not long
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 11:17 AM
21 hrs ago
DOJ issues directive to strip naturalized citizens of citizenship

The Trump administration has codified its efforts to strip some Americans of their US citizenship in a recently published justice department memo that directs attorneys to prioritize denaturalization for naturalized citizens who commit certain crimes.

The memo, published on 11 June, calls on attorneys in the department to institute civil proceedings to revoke a person’s United States citizenship if an individual either “illegally procured” naturalization or procured naturalization by “concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation”.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220444736

Right now it appears to be focused on naturalized citizens who committed serious crimes, but we certainly seem to be approaching an America where a "serious crime" is whatever the Regime says it is.

Johnny2X2X

(22,990 posts)
6. "Right now it appears to be focused on naturalized citizens who committed serious crimes"
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 12:16 PM
20 hrs ago

Completely disagree with this, very few of the people they are ejecting from the country have committed any crimes.

EarlG

(23,034 posts)
7. That's not what I'm saying
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 12:22 PM
20 hrs ago

You're talking about the ICE round-up of non-U.S. citizens -- and you're right, many if not most of those people are indeed being ejected without having committed any crimes at all.

I'm referring to this brand new denaturalization order which can apparently strip naturalized U.S. citizens of their citizenships if they've committed "certain crimes" and lied on their applications. I'm saying that the definition of "certain crimes" will almost certainly be expanded to included naturalized U.S. citizens who are simply not on board with the Trump regime.

Igel

(36,882 posts)
10. Some examples of this in the past were guards in Nazi death or concentration camps.
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 03:16 PM
17 hrs ago

These cases were fairly notorious, and even 40-50 years after the immigrant arrived in the US and 40 years after naturalization, there was great amount of chest-thumping over the stripping the 75- to 80-year old former guard of citizenship, ripping him away from his family, and sending him back to Germany or Serbia or wherever after living as a productive, responsible US citizen for decades.

Even if they weren't German, if they lied on their naturalization documents, the naturalization is revocable after due process.

Just saying. The law's ultimately the law and nobody's above the law.


The categories of crimes that permanently disbar naturalization are in statute; those that conditionally disbar naturalization are also in statute.

EarlG

(23,034 posts)
11. I have no issues with it in principle
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 03:22 PM
17 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Jun 30, 2025, 03:57 PM - Edit history (1)

It makes sense to me that if people have committed serious crimes and then lied about them on their naturalization papers, they can lose their citizenship. My concern is that the current regime will expand the definition of what a serious crime is, in order to denaturalize people who haven't done anything (other than oppose the Trump administration).

Edited to add: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220445795

Bettie

(18,483 posts)
9. Remember how people told us
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 02:11 PM
18 hrs ago

"the courts will hold" and now, we find that they won't. Fun times.

Ilsa

(62,984 posts)
5. Or you can't be American if you have a
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 12:09 PM
20 hrs ago

disabling psychiatric or neurological disorder.

That would exclude veterans with PTSD, persons in psychiatric hospitals, group homes, etc. No compassion for the disabled!

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