We now have concentration camps in this country.

[drray23]

I am referring to the facility they setup in the Everglades, dubbed Alligator Alcatraz.
Make no mistake, its not a detention camp, its a concentration camp.

Trump and his goons are following in the footsteps of Hitler and We as Americans are indifferent to it.

We have seen it before. German people ( and polish, austrians where the camps were) also did not want to believe it.

We already have reports of people dying in ice custody ( latest one was a 75 yr Cuban) . It is not hard to imagine what will happen if you put people in the middle of the Everglades in tents, with no AC, marginal food and close to no medical care. There will be deaths in droves.

Of course, we probably won't be able to tell since they will prevent congress to investigate and inspect it.

[Mosby]

1. Are they building gas chambers?

And crematoriums?

[drray23]

3. Why is that needed ?

You can kill people many other ways. Disease, starvation and so on. Concentration camps did not only happen in connection with the holocaust.

From encyclopedia Britannica:

concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

[Mosby]

10. Why call them concentration camps then?

Because it's an allusion to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

The OP is quite clear though with the meaning stating:

Trump and his goons are following in the footsteps of Hitler and We as Americans are indifferent to it.

Seems a bit hyperbolic to me.

[krkaufman]

25. It was called "The Final Solution"

The Nazi camps didn't bust out with gas chambers at the outset, either. Maybe fewer people would have been killed if more Germans had stood up, rather than arguing that things really didn't seem all the threatening for those being rendered sans due process to concentration camps.

[Mr.Bee]

29. So They Can

Concentrate all the prisoners there.
Duh!

[melm00se]

32. Rhetorical device

The term "concentration camp" has an incredibly negative and emotional connotation.

This type of device is used to inflame and incite the reader.

Unfortunately, when overused, its connotations are cheapened and the impact is lessened.

Calling Republicans "fascists" and "nazis" and Democrats "commies" and "Marxists" have the same effect.

[wnylib]

37. Not all of the Nazi concentration camps were death camps where people were gassed and then cremated.

Several were "work camps" where people were worked to death, literally, doing labor for the Third Reich with minimal food, clothing, medical care and sanitation. Exhaustion and disease killed off many of them. When they were no longer needed for the work they had been assigned to,they were shipped to another work camp or were sent to a death camp to be exterminated in "shower" rooms which emitted lethal gas.

The term concentration camp means people concentrated in one place. It does not mean death camp.

Make no mistake about it. Trump intends to leave people in detention camps -- AKA concentration camps -- through contracts with private prisons. Private prisons means no incentive to spend much on necessities for inmates because it would cut into profits. The goal is to frighten people into self-deportation when they hear about camp conditions and being locked up for indefinite periods. Also meant to frighten other migrants and immigrants from coming to the US. This is directly out of the German Nazi playbook. Hitler initially threatened Jews and other people whom he considered undesirables with deportation. Then the restriction laws were put into place as an incentive for Jews to leave the country. Their citizenship was revoked because they were called "not German," regardless of whether they were born in Germany.

Nazi concentration camps were initially called detention centers for criminals, but were actually prisons for political dissidents. It was not until later that they become concentration camps for people who did not self-deport, who had their citizenship denied, along with Poles, Roma (Gypsies), people with mental health diagnoses, and people with various other disabilities.

The Trump regime is going straight down this path. He is now denying birthright citizenship to children of undocumented immigrants. By making citizenship an open question, he can expand the issue of who is a citizen until he gains the power to revoke citizenship for anyone he chooses.

Death camps and roundups of people without legal due process did not happen instantly, overnight in Nazi Germany. It was a gradual process of getting the populace accustomed to the othering of some people, first with laws denying them civil rights, then with denying their citizenship and labeling them as criminals, and finally exterminating them.

The time to speak up and oppose this kind of government action is NOW, before it gets worse.

[wnylib]

42. Not hyperbolic at all to people who have learned how the concentration camps and

the "othering" of people began in Nazi Germany and gradually moved on to slave labor, denial of citizenship and extermination.

But, not all concentration camps were death camps where people were mass murdered in fake showers and then cremated. Several of the concentration camps were slave labor camps where people died due to lack of adequate clothing for the seasons, and lack of food, medicine, and sanitation.

But, perhaps you already know those things about Nazi Germany and just don't want to believe that it could happen in the US? We are sliding down the same slope.

[DBoon]

57. The term "concentration camp" predates the Nazis by decades

It originated in theSpanish-Cuban war of the late 19th century and in currrent common use includes many cases besides Nazi Germany:

A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or ethnic minority groups, on the grounds of national security, or for exploitation or punishment.[1]

Prominent examples of historic concentration camps include the British confinement of non-combatants during the Second Boer War, the internment of Japanese, German, and Italian Americans during the Second World War, the Nazi concentration camps (which later morphed into extermination camps), and the Soviet labour camps or gulag.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp

Note that concentration camps are distinguished from extermination camps. Not all concentration camps involve deliberate mass murder of their prisoners. The Holocaust is not the only example of a concentration camps.

[SocialDemocrat61]

63. The first concentration camps in Nazi Germany

were opened in the 1930s. Years before the war. The first victims were political opponents who were members of the communist and social democratic parties.

[NutmegYankee]

4. Most WWII concentration camps didn't have those.

[harumph]

5. That would be a subset of concentration camps that were termed "extermination" camps.

Just because they're not purposely killing prisoners doesn't mean it doesn't technically qualify as a 'concentration camp.'
If they use the prisoners for forced labor, that pretty much seals the deal.

I don't think the OP is being hyperbolic.

[wnylib]

44. Well said. Totally agree.

[Native]

7. No need - let the alligators have at 'em.

[Kid Berwyn]

8. Seems alarming to me.

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Why do you ridicule discussion of the topic?

[Mosby]

11. I'm not ridiculing anything.

I'm allowed to have an opinion.

[Kid Berwyn]

50. That's why I took your questions as commentary.

Please know I wholeheartedly support your right to express your opinion.

[Blue Full Moon]

19. Brian Stewart, Chairman of the Finance Committee

Introduced a bill in Ohio to build gas chambers to kill people.

[Mosby]

22. For capital punishment executions.

Nt.

[Blue Full Moon]

26. Wouldn't take much.

It's been ruled out for dogs. Has no place for death sentences. Would not take much to expand it for whatever the GOP wants.

[pnwmom]

39. If they had gas chambers they'd be a "death camp."

You don't have to be killing people to call them concentration camps.

[Jacson6]

2. Sadly SCOTUS allowed the USA to have concentration camps during WWII when the Japanese were incarcerated.

So now the President can do it at will.

[Bettie]

13. Plus, he's not subject to any laws

so he can do whatever he pleases....whatever is whispered into his diseased mind by Stephen Miller or whoever else is around at any given moment.

[Maraya1969]

6. For some reason I thought they were in a building. Tents in alligator country is a death sentence

Unless they can find a way to trap and kill them to eat them. It still boggles my mind that our country can be so sadistic.

[Bettie]

14. They'll probably sell the video

of people being killed and/or eaten so that the wanna be dictator can get some extra money, maybe he'll even share it with Kristi, since she seems to always be short of cash.

[Skittles]

9. I've said this all along

if Trump could have his critics rounded up and sent to camps (or worse) HE WOULD

how long before we see that?

[kimbutgar]

12. I was going to write the same thing

He is setting up camps for those dissenters in media, public figures, actors and those who write things about him doesn’t like!

[Skittles]

38. THE SIGNS ARE FLASHING RED

On Tuesday, the New York Times reported that Bove had advocated for Justice Department lawyers to defy court orders in order to advance Trump’s aggressive immigrant deportation agenda.

[wnylib]

46. Some of us see it clearly right now. Others don't want to believe it, perhaps. Some would be content

to wait as the country continues to slide down a human rights deterioration slope until it becomes obvious after the fact. Still others would still deny it when it became too obvious to ignore.

[bdamomma]

54. it will happen

unless we put a stop to it all. Or will Crimes against Humanity be invoked for the US?

[Skittles]

55. all this shit is BLATATANTLY unconstituional

not to mention UNAMERICAN and INHUMANE and just plain FUCKED UP

[bdamomma]

58. There is

so much chaos and corruption happening.

I'm hoping for whistleblowers to break some sort of story. Detaining and deporting people is disgusting,

I want this regime to be deported and detained in a prison. They are the enemy within.

[AverageOldGuy]

15. Just wait . . .

. . . people being held there were be formed into work crews and will head into the swamp to do whatever.

When I was growing up in the deep South in the 1950's they were known as CHAIN GANGS.

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[Dixiegrrrl]

47. They still have them down here.

Have often driven past prisoners working in the summer fields in my Southern county.

Also, it is not safe to be outside this time of year in the Southeast. because of the heat and frequent severe thunderstorms.Have had them daily the past 2 weeks in our area, they actually rattle and shake our brick house at times.Death from lightening is not uncommon.Plus it is now hurricane season.
Trump's sadism is on full display.

[Raine1967]

16. They are not tents. They look like portable toilets.

I'm not sure they even have room for beds. (Pictures at the link)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/alligator-alcatraz-ron-desantis-top-allies-rcna215647

[drray23]

35. Those are the pictures of the portable toilets.

However, read the article carefully and you will see :

Using its emergency powers, Florida, led by its emergency management division, has brought in tents, construction crews and portable toilets, hired nearly a dozen vendors, seized the land and said the site is set to be operational in just seven days.

Meaning its a tent facility with toilets ( the picture in the article is that of the toilets).

[electricmonk]

62. I wonder who is supplying the tents and toilets

and supplying them and putting them up and staffing them? I'm sure there's corporate money behind them and those companies need to be named, shamed and boycotted. Any company that makes so much as a dime off them need to be run out of business.

[baddie]

17. I don't tend to police words

and to be honest, I need to read up on this prison you're referring to. Not sure if it's ICE-related or a maximum security facility. Or both? In any case, someone flippantly referred to Alligator Auschwitz or something to that effect. Pretty insensitive IMO. The victims at Auschwitz committed no crime other than being Jewish in the eyes of Nazis.

[Lulu KC]

23. Nor did many of those being deported

Other than being "not from around here"--or somehow affiliated with or mistaken for a person from another country. That is not a crime.

[baddie]

51. So this facility is connected to ICE?

I wasn't certain about that. I still have doubts--based on the nature of the prison. As far as illegal immigrants are concerned, there is still a major distinction between willingly entering a foreign country and being taken against one's will from one's native residence.

[Lulu KC]

59. I'll let you look it up

Since you were commenting I thought you were familiar.

[krkaufman]

33. Due Process

The victims at Auschwitz committed no crime other than being Jewish in the eyes of Nazis.

I expect many would agree that a "sentence" to Auschwitz would be cruel and unusual regardless of any crime committed.

But your statement implies those being rounded-up and rendered by the Trump admin have been adjudicated as having committed crimes -- rather than the reality, which is due process has been fully bypassed. "Never Again" is difficult to achieve if we're wearing blinders that preclude recognizing precursors.

[Skittles]

41. do you understand

nazis did not start on day one with concentration camps? It all started with them treating certain people like GARBAGE and that is happening HERE, RIGHT NOW

[orangecrush]

56. See ya

[LymphocyteLover]

20. Seriously? Any solid confirmation? It's not out of the realm of possibility of course but that's a whole new level of

evil.

What reports are these?

[Lulu KC]

24. Source, please

This is a dangerous thing to start spreading if it is not true.

[CountAllVotes]

28. In old San Francisco ...

It was called being Shanghaied. No kidding!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghaiing

An old uncle of mine was a sea captain. I think the being Shanghaied occurred before his time (I hope!).

[JoseBalow]

43. Not at all the same thing

[JoseBalow]

40. Bullshit

[krkaufman]

21. "The Final Solution"

Something to keep in mind and remind people of when you get pushback in so characterizing such camps (including the foreign camps to which we're rendering people) ... It wasn't called "The Initial Solution." Just because we're not there yet doesn't mean that we're not laying the foundation.

[Ping Tung]

27. Those who do not dare to offend, cannot be honest. Thomas Paine

The Brits put up concentration camps during the Boer War in which many interned women and children died became of the harsh conditions and disease.

[MiHale]

31. Again...it's been done before.

[BattleRow]

34. Past is prologue.

[OC375]

36. Careful What You Wish For

What conservatives seem to miss, is that once you actually have the camps established, you can put anyone in there you want, depending on what's politically convenient for whomever is in charge.

[JustAnotherGen]

45. Brave souls

With drones may be able to get the story of the conditions out.

There may be an American Gareth Jones out there.

[Glaisne]

48. And will keep the media out.

This from the so called "pro-life" party.

[NoMoreRepugs]

49. Dems parse words and meanings and get stuck in nuance - Republicans use simple

words and phrases a thousand times over and hammer their message out 24/7 - we unfortunately will never learn.

Half the country reads and comprehends at a sixth grade level - the difference between internment camps or concentration camps makes as much sense to them as a discussion of quantum physics.

[baddie]

52. The article I read

says it's temporary. So unlike the concentration camps that doubled as killing factories, this is just a layover before leaving the country.

[drray23]

53. and yet there are countless reports of people being held "temporarily" for months

We cannot trust the Trump administration on anything. They may claim it's just temporary, but we already have reports of people stuck in detention without due process for months at a time. Now, imagine this happening and you are in a tent in 90 F weather and 80% humidity, mosquitoes everywhere. That is Florida in the summer.

[Oopsie Daisy]

60. No. We don't.

Where are the gas chambers?
Where are the mass graves?
Where are the execution walls?
Where are the execution trenches?
Where are the gallows?
Where are the the cremation furnaces?

[flying-skeleton]

61. And no one will know of the deaths!

Who's gonna report it?
Nobody!