Zohran Mamdani supported the Uncommitted movement against Joe Biden?

[PeaceWave]

Really? To coin Biden's phrase, "Come on man."

Link to tweet

[Peacetrain]

1. Hmmph well isn't that a kick in the teeth..

The Uncommitted Movement.. living in the middle of the country, he is not first on my list so do not know much about him.. but that is not in his favor with me.. just saying

[choie]

2. I'll say the same thing to you

"c'mon man" stop with the "subtle" anti-Mamdani posts.

[Autumn]

5. "c'mon man" ? Now you know it's a fresh young Progressive to kick around.

Those don't come around too often ya know.
Truth is, it's anything but subtle.

[Nanjeanne]

22. People seem to forget the Uncommitted Movement was in the primaries as a way to try to influence candidates on Gaza.

Mamdani took a courageous stance in the primaries for the people of Palestine. There's no indication that he didn't vote for Harris. In fact - that rag the NY Post mentioned that Kamala's stepdaughter Ella Emhoff backed Mamdani.

I won't link to a NY Post site but anyone can google it if they wish to.

[Autumn]

29. The more I hear him talk, the more I learn about him, I admire him more.

The way he explains things, he's right up there with Pete.

[Oopsie Daisy]

38. Once a voter has been convinced to disengage from the primary, they're not returning for the General.

They've given up whatever sentimental or emotional attachment that they may have had by actually being loyal and supporting the party. Anyone who encouraged or supported this type of behavior has some explaining to do and should have "their feet held to the fire" ... an expression we've often heard used against Obama and Biden.

[Nanjeanne]

49. Oh really? I didn't know that. I was disengaged in the primary but returned for the General. I must have been the

only one. Thanks for giving me the scoop on voters.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

50. Same here

I've been disengaged if I felt the Dem in a primary was Republican-light, but I always came back and voted Dem in the general.

[Nanjeanne]

87. Well that's two of us. But we must be outliers because someone much mor knowledgeable sad so.

[Oopsie Daisy]

53. You're welcome.

[KPN]

71. You know that how? Where's the research and data showing that?

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[Oopsie Daisy]

73. The election results speak for themselves.

[KPN]

114. Okay, so pure speculation and surmising as I thought. Only those people who may not have voted or voted Trump due to

Gaza are to blame. Right. And, blame of course is important for you.

[LudwigPastorius]

109. Re: disengage from the primary

It wasn't a "stay at home" movement, it was a "cast an uncommitted vote" movement.

[Pisces]

3. It's unbelievable how many Dems want to sink Mamdani. I don't think these attempts are getting the results you

think they are. Gillibrand et al are showing a terrible look by attacking him for being Muslim. Its gross and turning the youth vote against Dems!!

[Autumn]

6. The hatred towards Muslims here is shocking.

[leftstreet]

9. +1

[Mossfern]

67. Is it hatred toward Muslims

or challenging some acts and words of one candidate who happens to be Muslim?
I think the opinions of many people would be the same if he were an atheist.

[Autumn]

72. Hatred. They demand something from him that they expect from no one else. nt

[Mossfern]

88. I respectfully disagree with you

It's not because of his faith - there are other Muslim elected officials.
It's more likely that he dismissed and made statements that just fall short of agreeing with
"globalize the Intifada." There are plenty of people who are not Muslim who are chanting that.

I have no idea of whether or not they are aware of what it means to people of Jewish faith or ancestry.

[mcar]

91. That is simply not true

I see constant OPs and posts here demanding elected Democrats or candidates say this or that, disavow a comment, etc.

“Holding their feet to the fire.” Why does that apply to every other Democrat but not Mamdani?

[choie]

101. Have you actually read what he said

Or what has been described in the media?

[Mossfern]

112. I read what he said.

Otherwise I would not have commented on it.

[choie]

100. Amen

[totodeinhere]

7. Well either he supported the uncommitted movement against President Biden

or he didn't. And apparently he did. So since he did what is wrong with pointing that out? It's the truth and the truth is always best.

[BannonsLiver]

14. But young voters and other things!

This cannot stand!

[AZProgressive]

76. He did have a massive youth turnout

The Democrats spent a lot of money following the election to try to understand young men and focus test messages for them but Mamdani is a candidate that was able to do that organically.

Not sure if Democrats are serious about winning future elections. Trying to tear down someone that can bring new & disaffected voters to the poll makes no sense to me and trying to force the Biden position on Gaza on candidates isn't likely to win many elections since the occupation/genocide is unpopular with a majority of Democrats.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

81. Unfortunately, many people fear change

Especially those who are already well off.
I grew up in a housing project in the Northeast and the last time I visited, it was heartbreaking as it actually looked worse there than I remembered it.. We need change and more Mamdanis, there are so many lives at stake.

[BannonsLiver]

86. There are other issues that are unpopular with Democrats that many people here find perfectly acceptable.

I’m not and never will be a single issue voter so hard to relate to all of that re: Gaza.

[fujiyamasan]

113. I also don't think most democrats agree with "seizing the means of production"

Yep, it’s an actual quote. And he can’t blame this on “youthful indiscretion”. This was said in 2021.

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/watch-zohran-mamdani-calls-for-seizing-the-means-of-production-and-unapologetic-socialism/

[Easterncedar]

31. Using a potential promise of his vote in support of human rights

What a monster

[TheProle]

32. Thank you!

If it were a paraphrased quote or the context was in question, I would call a foul on this thread.

But he felt strongly enough that he posted it with a quite dressed up suite of graphics and was unequivocal about his allegiance to, and advocacy of, the uncommitted movement.

He said it and owns that position until he chooses to disavow it.

No one should have to ignore it or tap dance around it

[AloeVera]

92. The problem is the framing. It's dishonest.

The uncommitted movement was not "against" President Biden. It was not looking to run against him or unseat him. It was a protest vote against his specific policy on Gaza, with the goal not of defeating him but shifting his stance on Gaza and Israel. Last time I looked, dissent amongst Democrats on specific issues was allowed. Especially on something as important as funding and arming a nation violating all manner of international and humanitarian law to commit a genocide.

[JustAnotherGen]

98. It doesn't matter now

By the time the Regime falls Gaza will be gone. We'll be too busy with tribunals and rebuilding to something other than the status quo to worry about global issues. We are already a joke on the global stage - we aren't going to have any influence in a very short time.

[AStern]

40. It's more hatred toward policies that aren't tied to corporate donors and the prison industrial complex

and people wonder why they lose.

[Kingofalldems]

4. Not gonna work.

[Torchlight]

8. Sounds serious

Good luck, man.

[Prairie Gates]

10. Mamdani won the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York

He won the election fair and square.

I hope he is accorded the same protections on this board as any other Democratic nominee during a going election season.

[BannonsLiver]

12. He's DU's new number one it guy, so I'm sure he will be afforded all of that and more.

[Prairie Gates]

13. It's one of the great values of this space that we collectively agree not to relitigate primaries

And we support the Democratic nominee. I do hope that holds, as it would be a shame to lose that fundamental operating and ethical principle.

[BannonsLiver]

17. Very true.

That being said, to your point, it’s probably a good thing he wasn’t a member here during the last presidential campaign.

[Prairie Gates]

21. DU has developed unique rules and culture, it is true - and they are distinct from norms of public discourse

They've managed to keep the peace and forward the cause when they are consistently applied by juries who put the board's rules above their own interests, even when they are bitterly disappointed by a primary result, or for other unknown reasons interested in sinking the Democratic nominee. It's a good thing.

[SSJVegeta]

28. How do we know he wasnt?

😒 🤔

[RandomNumbers]

80. You mean, you hope people here won't be urging an "Uncommitted" vote

in his election?

Yeah, I hope so too. Even if I would have preferred a different D (not a NYer so it's irrelevant anyway), obviously he is better than the repuke.

But the canonizing of this guy ought to stop, or at least slow down. IF he wins in November, then we'll see how many of his nice-sounding policies actually get implemented - especially the part about paying for them. I for one will be paying EXTREMELY close attention to his actions with regards to reproductive rights. (Yes his platform says he supports reproductive rights, but it doesn't exactly shout it like it does other things.)

Every other Democrat is subject to being picked apart for bonehead positions they have taken. He will not be an exception.

[Oopsie Daisy]

15. This is very disappointing news. But it explains a lot of what I've been hearing AND NOT HEARING recently.

[Lochloosa]

18. What "situation " He's the Democratic canidate for the Mayor of NY City.

And should be afforded the support of this board.

Situation? Cute.

[Pisces]

45. Reminds me when they called Obama presidency an experiment

[mcar]

103. But primarying incumbent Democrats

a la David Hogg is A OK?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. I know a lot of people had hurt feelings about it, but the uncommitted movement was not "against" Biden.

Less-than-full-throated-support is not opposition, nor is pressuring a fellow party member with the only leverage you have.

[Oopsie Daisy]

25. The effect is the same. If an elected official convinces someone to NOT vote in the primary *

* then that voter is no longer emotionally invested in the outcome of the election and (as we saw) they do not return to vote in the General Election either. This was, obviously, against the Democratic candidate... not just a passive-aggressive way to "send a message". This was not "less than full-throated support" (SUPPORT?? WTF?!) indeed, they were treacherous saboteurs.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

33. The point of "uncommitted" is that people DID vote in the primary, participating in all races but voting "uncommitted"

at the top of the ballot. One could argue that participating in a primary to pull the lever for "uncommitted" definitely shows an emotional investment, particularly when they expected and hoped Biden would be the candidate in the end.

not just a passive-aggressive way to "send a message".

I'm curious about your word choice here. How is sending a message by voting uncommitted "passive-aggressive"?

indeed, they were treacherous saboteurs.

lmao easy there. You give them too much credit. Biden sailed through the primaries.

[Oopsie Daisy]

34. Once they declared themselves as "uncommitted" in the Primaries they never returned for the General.

>> You give them too much credit.
No. I meant what I said and I said what I meant.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

36. Some did, some didn't; same as all voters.

No. I meant what I said and I said what I meant.

Oh that's clear. It's just too much credit.

[Oopsie Daisy]

39. No.

[RandySF]

56. Yes, it was against Biden.

[lostincalifornia]

62. It was also against VP Harris because the Uncommitted Movement refused to endorse VP Harris

against trump, and that was for the general election, where everyone KNEW who trump was.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/g-s1-23736/uncommitted-movement-no-endorsement-harris-trump-2024

[BannonsLiver]

75. lol what in the world

[Nixie]

23. So does this mean he didn't vote for our candidate for President?

Maybe someone can ask him to explain.

[Emile]

24. Sick of big money influence slandering our candidates.

[Oopsie Daisy]

43. This shines a new light on the question everyone's been asking wondering why some Democratic leaders *

* have withheld their personal endorsement. Sometimes, the brighter the light, and the longer we look, the clearer things become. I'll reserve judgement for now. I'm sure there are perfectly reasonable explanations forthcoming. --- Stand by.

[lostincalifornia]

26. Well isn't that special. Is it legitimate to ask who he voted for in the General Election?

They also refused to endorse VP Harris in the General Election against trump.

Even though they knew what a trump victory would mean.

Let's here the excuses.

The uncommitted movement also refused to endorse VP Harris against trump.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/g-s1-23736/uncommitted-movement-no-endorsement-harris-trump-2024

There was such anger by some when it was speculated that Jeffries might do the same thing in the mayoral race. and why was that? because of what it infers?

[SSJVegeta]

27. Nobody's perfect

[pandr32]

30. Well, shit!

[Cha]

52. I've known about it for awhile

And super disappointed

We’ve had many threads on here how most Dems feel about Uncommitted & Leave it Blank.

Aloha pandr 💙🕯️🕊️🌈🌊🇺🇸🇨🇦💛💙

[pandr32]

97. I'm disappointed, too.

We need to come together and embrace our diversity.
Aloha, Cha!

[Cha]

99. Aloha pandr 💙🕯️🕊️🇺🇸🌈🇨🇦💙💛

[Easterncedar]

35. This was during the primary

And the horrors in Gaza could possibly have been mitigated with strong American leverage at that crucial moment. Perhaps we might have been able to avoid the current nightmares in Gaza and even the current political hell here. We will never know. But this slamming Mamdani now for trying to stop the war on civilians then is serving the rethugs’ agenda, not ours.

[lostincalifornia]

37. The uncommited movement refused to endorse VP Harris for the Presidential election against trump?

What do you think that infers?

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/g-s1-23736/uncommitted-movement-no-endorsement-harris-trump-2024

[Easterncedar]

41. It convinces me that the misinformation machine was effective

I had friends in the community who were convinced that the only power they had in the end was to withhold their vote. They believed they could not in good conscience support the candidate who would not allow the Palestinians to speak at the convention. They were used. Yes, it was short-sighted and even tragic. The outcome is more suffering. No one I know doesn’t regret it.

But who is it now who wants us to fracture over this? Who is being manipulated now?

[lostincalifornia]

61. Then I guess there is sure a lot of manipulation going on, because much of the same folks seem to

be making the same mistake over and over again. 2000, 2016, and 2024.

Did anybody not realize who trump was, and what a second term of trump would mean?

[Easterncedar]

65. You left out 1933. Harris and Walz tried

And we all knew. But the hate campaign works. It’s a well tested method.

[choie]

104. Very good question

It’s usually people who have power.

[JI7]

66. He says he voted for Harris but during the campaign focused

on other local things.

[AloeVera]

84. No inference needed. The movement came out AGAINST voting for Trump or Stein.

Quite strongly, in fact, correctly warning that Trump would be far worse on Gaza and bad for the country and a vote for Stein would be a vote for Trump.

Anything else?

[choie]

102. Implies not infers.

[vanessa_ca]

46. It's deliberate. Some people would prefer a MAGAT in office than a real progressive

It's apparently an unforgivable sin not to support Netanyahu's war crimes and US complicity in those.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

60. Yep

Many years ago I worked in the Barney Frank campaign when he decided to run in S.E. Massachusetts against the odious Repub Margaret Heckler, and I actually met people who claimed to be Dems, but they didn't want to vote for Frank because he was "too liberal". And this in MA, ugh.

[Celerity]

42. de rec

[Fiendish Thingy]

44. That was for the primary, not the general

A strategic move, rather than voting for an opponent, to attempt to gain platform leverage at the convention.

[AloeVera]

47. Here you are with facts and perspective...

Ruining a good anti-Mamdani thread...

Thank you.

[Oopsie Daisy]

54. The facts were lacking.

[Oopsie Daisy]

48. No... I hate to break it to you, but the "leave it blank" and "Abandon Harris" movement *

was focused on the general election, with efforts to expand to battleground states like Georgia and Wisconsin. The goal is to ensure Harris does not become the 47th President of the United States. Ultimately, the movement promoted by certain individuals officially endorsed Green Party candidate Jill Stein, urging voters, particularly Muslim and Arab Americans, to vote for her instead of Harris.

This was insidious and it went far beyond trying to "send a message" by futzing with primary results.

[Fiendish Thingy]

58. You are mistaken

The “Abandon” movement was separate and distinct from the “Uncommitted”, even if they shared some members.

Unless somebody uncovers evidence that Mamdani actively worked to persuade voters to stay home in November, this story is a nothingburger.

[Oopsie Daisy]

63. Yes it was. You're correct about that... but...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20445784

[Fiendish Thingy]

77. So both supported the "uncommitted" strategy

But only one supported the “Abandon” movement, and it wasn’t Mamdani.

Guilt by association is a republican tactic.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

64. Some are trying hard though, bless their hearts :) n/t

[AloeVera]

79. No. Not only was the Uncommitted Movement separate from Abandon Harris...

it specifically urged people to VOTE AGAINST Trump, and AVOID voting for third party candidates.

Excerpt from their statement:

"....Harris’s unwillingness to shift on unconditional weapons policy or to even make a clear campaign statement in support of upholding existing U.S. and international human rights law has made it impossible for us to endorse her," organizers of the Uncommitted National Movement said in a statement.

"At this time, our movement 1) cannot endorse Vice President Harris; 2) opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing; and 3) is not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our country’s broken electoral college system," the statement continued....

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/g-s1-23736/uncommitted-movement-no-endorsement-harris-trump-2024
Though they succeeded in getting 700,000 votes in the primary and 37 delegates, they were not successful in moving the party to adopt any of its requests, i.e. ceasefire and embargo. They continued to try to reach out to the campaign and there were some unsuccessful meetings. When the campaign said no to an American-Palestinian moderate speaker at the convention, unfortunately they lost the opportunity for the movement to endorse Harris. They did not endorse her, but they warned against voting for Trump or Stein.

Just wanted to set the record straight. This is not the big gotcha it's made out to be.

[Retrograde]

55. That's it - I'm not voting for him

Well, the fact that I don't live in NYC is probably more important.

Given the choices - Mamdani, Sliwa (GOP with no government experience?), probably Cuomo (grudge holding Independent) and possibly Eric Adams (whatever he's calling himself these days), Mamdani looks like the best of the bunch. I hope he can find some good advisors to help him going forward, because NYC is not an easy place to run in the best of times.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

78. Indeed

Amazing how many non-New Yorkers are worried about this.

[mcar]

57. Shame on him. Shame on them all.

Wonder how it feels to know you were deadly wrong.

[lostincalifornia]

70. This speaks volumes I think

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20445784

[AloeVera]

85. Shame for what, exactly?

Is he committing/supporting genocide or something? That indeed would be shameful.

But trying to influence your party's platform through the primaries to include a ceasefire and arms embargo to stop a genocide? Is that the shameful part?

That seems upside down to me.

[RandySF]

59. There sure is a lot of revisionism of the '24 primaries.

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The uncommitted movement turned into the "boycott Biden" movement.

[AloeVera]

93. You mean Abandon Biden/Harris? Nope. Different group.

The uncommitted movement strongly advised against voting for either Trump or Stein or any third party.

But if you have some info to back up your claim, please post!

[mdbl]

68. Cuomo is runnnig as an independent and will split the dem vote giving the repuke the election.

just my 2 cents.

[Karasu]

69. I agree. This is what people SHOULD actually be worried about. Not Mamdani or anything related to him.

I want to see fascism crushed into the finest of dust particles. Cuomo's stupid independent campaign is in direct opposition to achieving that goal.

[BannonsLiver]

90. The collective meltdown here would be a sight to behold

[Easterncedar]

74. Hey. Let's go after the Teamsters next

[Docreed2003]

82. ....

Gee I wonder why Dems are struggling when we have propaganda like this that seeks to undermine any movement for equality & tear down any movement that the "party establishment" doesn't agree with.

Go ahead and tear down Zohran...see where that lands us in the midterms and the next presidential election. I'm sure the current party approval rating of just above 20% of the populace will skyrocket overnight from these moves.

[appmanga]

83. This guy is apparently scaring the right people...

...and the folks in NYC can fall for the same kind of bullshit that sank Hillary Clinton.

And just to be clear, if there's ever been a time to be radical in order to fight what's happening in this country, it's now.

[Emile]

89. This reminds me of what happened in our past too.

[choie]

105. If I could recommend this more than once

I would!

[Cha]

115. What "sank Hillary" was GD Fucking Jill Stein's LIES

in the Swing States.

[RandySF]

94. Uncommitted was universally condemned here.

Now it’s being excused.

[WSHazel]

95. So this guy supported Trump in the Presidential Election?

Didn't any of his supporters look this guy up? Or were they just lying to us about his past positions?

[choie]

106. Are you for real?

That’s scurrilous as is most of the propaganda against Mamdani

[WSHazel]

110. He was officially "uncommitted"

What should we call that?

This guy should have explained his anti-Harris position, but he didn’t. He just tried to pretend it didn’t happen.

This hell we are all living through is in part because of politicians like Mandami that undermined support for Harris.

[AloeVera]

111. No. He did not.

How on earth would you come to that conclusion?

[brush]

96. There ya go. And so many here are falling all over themselves to root for this guy...

who didn't support Joe and is a self-avowed socialist. Why didn't he just run as a Democrat.

How many were influenced by him not to vote for Harris?

Now this is just more ammo for the rethug ads just about write themselves.

[choie]

107. Oh no!

Ooga booga “a socialist”! I’m frightened!!

[LudwigPastorius]

108. I'm more interested in what he did after that.

...because an "uncommitted" protest vote in a primary doesn't rise to the level of freaking me out about the guy.