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swollen ankles are frequently a sign of congestive heart failure....calling it something else might be a diversion... (Original Post) msongs Friday OP
It's a stretch to say Dump has a "heart" Blue Owl Friday #1
Please, make it so! Enter stage left Friday #2
that was my first thought vapor2 Friday #3
True. This and other things as well. B.See Friday #4
Cool! Didn't know that Blues Heron Friday #5
Thoughts and clots Henry203 Friday #6
Clots and prayers Henry203 Friday #7
I'm not bdamomma Friday #12
Sadly my Aunt developed a blood clot in her leg BlueKota Saturday #21
Oh BlueKota bdamomma Saturday #22
Thank you! BlueKota Saturday #23
Is T-Diddy on his way out? Hassin Bin Sober Friday #8
To the wood chipper -- forward march ! nt eppur_se_muova Saturday #18
Usually within five years a person will perish once diagnosed as the symptoms... Bread and Circuses Friday #9
But JD has negative charisma. BadgerMom Saturday #13
Have you seen that man run? róisín_dubh Saturday #17
Can JD get other GOPers (including seniors w/much more experience than him) to fall in line ? eppur_se_muova Saturday #19
From your link UpInArms Friday #10
Things to watch for: fingers and abdomen swelling. scipan Sunday #30
It's a symptom of a bunch of things EdmondDantes_ Friday #11
This. xmas74 Saturday #16
Ever since my heart attack anytime I go to the doctor I am asked about swelling dsc Saturday #14
In this case I hope so JI7 Saturday #15
Hopefully the Grim Reaper is licking his chops! bif Saturday #20
I've seen it happen to people temporarily for other reasons Renew Deal Saturday #24
Let me know when he's in the final stage. Emile Saturday #25
it is also a sign of lymphedema CountAllVotes Saturday #26
I had a blood clot in my right leg in 2005 and another in 2006. I was diagnosed with doc03 Saturday #27
Here's hoping ... Jim__ Sunday #28
My mom has the bamagal62 Sunday #29
I've had swollen ankles for years. I've had comradebillyboy Sunday #31

Blue Owl

(56,718 posts)
1. It's a stretch to say Dump has a "heart"
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:45 PM
Friday

In his case, he has “Congestive Organ-That-Pumps-Blood Failure”

bdamomma

(68,863 posts)
12. I'm not
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:32 PM
Friday

a health professional but can those swollen ankles "shoot a PE (pulmonary embolus" to his heart????

I should Goggle it.

BlueKota

(4,403 posts)
21. Sadly my Aunt developed a blood clot in her leg
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:36 AM
Saturday

and it ended up becoming a pulmonary embolism and blocked oxygen to her lungs. She was eating breakfast at the table, passed out, then died. It was a shock to all of us, especially as she'd just gone to see her doctor the day before about her leg swelling. He dismissed it as nothing serious. Unfortunately he was wrong. We were all devastated because she was the rock of the family. It happened the day I just got home from college for Christmas break. The phone rang, I answered it, it was my cousin telling me her Mom was gone.

So it can happen.

bdamomma

(68,863 posts)
22. Oh BlueKota
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:15 PM
Saturday

My deepest sympathy to you and your family about your aunt's untimely passing. So unfortunate that her doctor did not follow through,

Bread and Circuses

(924 posts)
9. Usually within five years a person will perish once diagnosed as the symptoms...
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:55 PM
Friday

Increase and medications can only do so much.

TACO has the best doctors and medicines so perhaps he has 7 years. We don’t know what other medical conditions he’s hiding.

JD is worse because he’s younger, meaner, and smarter.

BadgerMom

(3,259 posts)
13. But JD has negative charisma.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:36 AM
Saturday

That’s a tough thought because it implies Trump has charisma. But he does have more than Vance. Yuck.

róisín_dubh

(12,076 posts)
17. Have you seen that man run?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:03 AM
Saturday

If anything can suck the energy out of a room, it’s JD “this is my first time in a human suit” Vance

eppur_se_muova

(39,458 posts)
19. Can JD get other GOPers (including seniors w/much more experience than him) to fall in line ?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:48 AM
Saturday

This is a guy who messed up ordering a donut. That doesn't indicate leadership potential.

OTOH, we could end up with Peter Thiel (Vance's Sugar Daddy) being the new Musk, throwing his fat wallet behind the primary candidates of negotiable loyalties. Maybe some in the GOP will finally decide they're tired of the whole shitshow, and try bucking him even if it means risking re-election. If Trump goes full dirt nap before the primaries, a lot of GOP incumbents may decide the time is ripe to "return to the private sector", meaning comfy sinecures on K Street.

UpInArms

(53,143 posts)
10. From your link
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:17 PM
Friday
Edema is a common sign of heart failure. It occurs when the heart cannot pump blood adequately, leading to an increase in pressure inside the blood vessels. This causes fluid to leak into the surrounding tissues.

Edema in heart failure often affects the lower limbs and fingers, but it can also occur around the abdomen. The severity and extent of edema may indicate the progression and severity of heart failure. Treatment may involve medications, compression stockings, and movement to increase circulation.

scipan

(2,913 posts)
30. Things to watch for: fingers and abdomen swelling.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 12:47 AM
Sunday

I want confirmation.

I REALLY WANT confirmation!

EdmondDantes_

(639 posts)
11. It's a symptom of a bunch of things
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:23 PM
Friday

Some bad, some minor. There's no good way to know from what we see on TV. It could be he sat too long, it could be testosterone replacement, or kidney/liver/heart disease.

xmas74

(29,891 posts)
16. This.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:02 AM
Saturday

I've had issues with edema since I underwent cancer treatment. Spending long hours sitting in front of multiple screens for work doesn't help.

dsc

(53,031 posts)
14. Ever since my heart attack anytime I go to the doctor I am asked about swelling
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:44 AM
Saturday

fortunately I haven't had any but clearly it is a concern.

Renew Deal

(84,276 posts)
24. I've seen it happen to people temporarily for other reasons
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:22 PM
Saturday

But it's usually a serious concern

CountAllVotes

(21,895 posts)
26. it is also a sign of lymphedema
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:31 PM
Saturday

It is a very painful and debilitating problem to have.

Ankles swell up for weeks at times.

You cannot walk.

Sheer misery!



doc03

(38,150 posts)
27. I had a blood clot in my right leg in 2005 and another in 2006. I was diagnosed with
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:24 PM
Saturday

Factor V Laden, my blood clots to fast. At that time I got a filter that is supposed to catch clots from
going to my lungs and take blood thinner. My right leg used to swell badly because of damaged valves in
my leg. I joined a gym and took up bike riding in warmer weather. I have very little swelling now unless I spend hours
flying or driving, I wear compression socks in that case. It's been 20 years and I am still alive at 77. I doubt Trump is
going to die any time soon.

bamagal62

(4,011 posts)
29. My mom has the
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 12:09 AM
Sunday

Beginnings of CHF. If her legs swell, she freaks out and calls 911. It’s real.

comradebillyboy

(10,801 posts)
31. I've had swollen ankles for years. I've had
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 12:57 AM
Sunday

a heart attack, I've had high blood pressure for over 30 years, I'm obese, I'm 77 yo now and I'm still healthy enough to live for another 7-8 years.

Trump has the best medical care available so don't count on swollen ankles to kill him any time soon.

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