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Botany

(74,872 posts)
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:03 AM Jul 21

Simple Question: Is Donald Trump the biggest criminal in American History?

I would say yes. How many underage girls did he rape? How many deaths is he responsible for?
How many lives did he ruin? And so many more crimes such as stolen elections, treason, theft, and
turning our nation’s top secrets over to our enemies such as Putin, and where has our “Liberal Media” been because so many of his crimes are a matter of public record?

Trump’s, “Where is my Roy Cohn?” Should have ended his career then and there and he should be sitting in the U.S. Supermax Federal Prison in Florence, CO right now not the White House and burning America
to the ground for his boss Vlad Putin.

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Simple Question: Is Donald Trump the biggest criminal in American History? (Original Post) Botany Jul 21 OP
He's the Tasmanian Devil of Criminals bucolic_frolic Jul 21 #1
The "Crime Minister." lastlib Jul 21 #8
never called him that, because B.See Jul 21 #47
No Morals or Values Mr.Bee Jul 21 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author sop Jul 21 #27
I would guess that the national crime rate would drop... kentuck Jul 21 #2
He had U.S. Military flights go out of there way so the crew would have to stay @ his golf course Botany Jul 21 #3
He shares it with Murdoch tavernier Jul 21 #4
He treats the US treasury like it's his own personal checking account Walleye Jul 21 #5
Co-defendants WmChris Jul 21 #6
Would say he's he the most criminal POTUS ever to hold office. And he's one of allegorical oracle Jul 21 #7
Doge cuts to USAid blamed for 300,000 deaths -- most of them children .. Hideous Human Being Botany Jul 21 #12
The corruption and graft. He blackmails elected officials, world leaders. yardwork Jul 21 #9
Without a doubt. For mob bosses it is just how they do business, but for Trump it is doc03 Jul 21 #10
Yeah, he purposely goes after people to bring them down -- even if allegorical oracle Jul 21 #40
Yes Blue Full Moon Jul 21 #11
That was a great film. Here's the trailer: TheRickles Jul 21 #13
Roy Cohn and Emil Bove Seinan Sensei Jul 21 #19
Helluva Movie WiVoter Jul 21 #49
Damn JustAnotherGen Jul 22 #87
Absolutely! lark Jul 21 #14
so sad for our counrty et tu Jul 21 #15
Maybe . . . AverageOldGuy Jul 21 #16
No. That would be his enablers. GoCubsGo Jul 21 #18
Add in Elon Musk, Peter Theil, Leonard Leo, Eaton Corp, Tripp Lite,* News Corp, millions of Christo ... Botany Jul 21 #22
I just wonder nowforever Jul 21 #20
Putin higher up likely JT45242 Jul 21 #21
I assumed "American History" referred to Americans. Putin is a Russian. Martin68 Jul 21 #71
I thought he rigged American elections and laundered a lot of money here but I see your point. JT45242 Jul 21 #80
To ever sit in the Oval Office? Computer says yeah! paleotn Jul 21 #23
Jefferson F. Davis speak easy Jul 21 #24
I was going to say: Aristus Jul 21 #26
C-19 has the Civil war beat Botany Jul 21 #37
hands down and sadly he is not yet done. mahina Jul 21 #25
Its the Republican Party doing all of this. FatAss is a shill n/t Cheezoholic Jul 21 #28
YES! Plus he also brought out the worse ever RETHUGS on our planet! bluestarone Jul 21 #29
Al Capone and NJ mobster Willie Moretti displacedvermoter Jul 21 #30
SImple question? Simple answer!! LilElf70 Jul 21 #31
Abso-freaking-lutely!... MiHale Jul 21 #32
Of course he is. He right now is on the biggest con of his life. Emile Jul 21 #33
I would say yes jmowreader Jul 21 #34
The Settlers Of Our Nation Exterminated Up To 100 Million Indigenous People Within Our Borders MayReasonRule Jul 21 #35
The 100 million ITAL Jul 21 #41
Regrettably, no. Close, as he's building on a legacy of his predecessors, albeit out of stupidity... NNadir Jul 21 #36
Yes, yes and of course YES he is. FarPoint Jul 21 #38
Certainly... traveler50 Jul 21 #39
Worst Rebl2 Jul 21 #42
As a Convicted Felon MissouriDem47 Jul 21 #43
I think he's the most brazen, to the point of shamelessness. Torchlight Jul 21 #44
No. He's the leader of the largest organized criminal cartel, aka the GOP berniesandersmittens Jul 21 #45
He is number 4 in the leadership depth chart of the crime syndicate Botany Jul 21 #46
There's a whole lot of power in that list berniesandersmittens Jul 21 #48
Only that we know of. Only that we know of. ancianita Jul 21 #50
Also the biggest traitor. OverBurn Jul 21 #51
Will we ever again have elections that aren't stolen by Republicans? red dog 1 Jul 21 #52
Yes. And we only see the very tip of the iceberg. Doodley Jul 21 #53
The most ambitious criminal rampartd Jul 21 #54
In my eyes.... damifino10 Jul 21 #55
I would never give him the superlative Mossfern Jul 21 #56
Yes. nt Susan Calvin Jul 21 #57
Yup. byronius Jul 21 #58
The King of crime. nt Trueblue Texan Jul 21 #59
The biggest A-S-S-H-O-L-E for sure! oasis Jul 21 #60
I don't think we know the half of it. Joinfortmill Jul 21 #61
Marvel at it, that creature got elected twice to the top job in the Executive Branch. Brainfodder Jul 21 #62
Simple answer Mblaze Jul 21 #63
He's the most successful at getting away with it! surfered Jul 21 #64
He is the sickest MF to have ever been President of the U.S., too. RipVanWinkle Jul 21 #65
Yes. By far. mwb970 Jul 21 #66
without a doubt kimbutgar Jul 21 #67
Certainly, taking the period and context into account. He's ruined and ended so many lives LymphocyteLover Jul 21 #68
The real problem is the very stupid electorate and the very corrupt GOP Congress mdbl Jul 21 #69
Simple answer. Yes. Martin68 Jul 21 #70
No doubt in my mind, though his enablers are up there. nt babylonsister Jul 21 #72
Trump is the most crooked American ever YorkRd Jul 21 #73
his daughter (you know, the one he wanted to fuck) must be so proud of him orleans Jul 21 #74
Short answer is yes. Dem4life1970 Jul 21 #75
"How many deaths is he responsible for?" Polybius Jul 21 #76
You could say a lot of the COVID deaths were on him fujiyamasan Jul 22 #83
biggest criminal gfarber Jul 21 #77
Without a doubt, Chump is the WORST PRESIDENT ever FakeNoose Jul 21 #78
He is pretty bad but not even close to the worst criminal Groundhawg Jul 21 #79
Question 90-percent Jul 22 #81
Craig Woods for one. Groundhawg Jul 22 #88
With the help from a lot of other criminals, yes. GoodRaisin Jul 22 #82
Absolutely.. ellise Jul 22 #84
Absolutely.. ellise Jul 22 #85
I want an inventory of Fort Knox first. JohnnyRingo Jul 22 #86

lastlib

(26,375 posts)
8. The "Crime Minister."
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:44 AM
Jul 21

I haven't called him "President" in this term, because as a convicted felon, he's not legitimate.

B.See

(5,972 posts)
47. never called him that, because
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jul 21

of 1.what you said, 2. he lost the popular vote the first time, and 3. has never been worthy of the title regardless (imo).

Mr.Bee

(1,064 posts)
17. No Morals or Values
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:23 AM
Jul 21

Especially American values. Completely, totally insane, and driving the rest of the country insane too,
Drunk with power, is the phrase that comes to mind.

Response to Mr.Bee (Reply #17)

kentuck

(114,447 posts)
2. I would guess that the national crime rate would drop...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:07 AM
Jul 21

...if he was behind bars. He encourages lawlessness.

Botany

(74,872 posts)
3. He had U.S. Military flights go out of there way so the crew would have to stay @ his golf course
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:13 AM
Jul 21

…. in N.E. Scotland and buy jet fuel from him. God only knows how much he has grifted from
the American people.

tavernier

(13,832 posts)
4. He shares it with Murdoch
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:24 AM
Jul 21

Were it not for his lifetime desire to ruin America through the manipulation of Americans with well planned lies and fake news, Trump would never be anywhere close to the White House.

Walleye

(41,549 posts)
5. He treats the US treasury like it's his own personal checking account
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:25 AM
Jul 21

I’m certain he thinks it’s all his money just like all the campaign contributions are all his money.

WmChris

(370 posts)
6. Co-defendants
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:42 AM
Jul 21

His congressional conspirators, and finacial supporters should all go down with him.

allegorical oracle

(5,433 posts)
7. Would say he's he the most criminal POTUS ever to hold office. And he's one of
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:43 AM
Jul 21

the most hideous human beings I've known -- or heard of --- in my lifetime.

Botany

(74,872 posts)
12. Doge cuts to USAid blamed for 300,000 deaths -- most of them children .. Hideous Human Being
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:11 AM
Jul 21

These are Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot type of #s. But hey to Trump and Musk they are just n*****s.
And this story is getting almost zero coverage too.

****************

Elon Musk’s tenure running Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency has, according to the academic Brooke Nichols, caused thousands of ‘preventable deaths’

The mathematician and professor of infectious diseases at Boston University had created a model to predict the human cost of the Department of Government Efficiency’s (Doge) USAid funding cuts.

What Nichols had not appreciated was what was killing people, and just how quickly it appeared to be killing them. A death was estimated to be happening somewhere in the world every three minutes. “It was just shocking,” she said.

As Elon Musk, the head of Doge, arrived at the White House on Friday afternoon to be congratulated by President Trump for his work slashing the federal budget, the number of deaths on Nichols’s tracker hit 300,000, more than 200,000 of them children

https://www.thetimes.com/us/american-politics/article/usaid-doge-deaths-children-cuts-7nb83dfkp

**********
Trump had the food which was already paid for burned rather than ship it to Africa and they refused
to send anti diarrhea kits too. Diarrhea is big killers of starving people.

yardwork

(67,343 posts)
9. The corruption and graft. He blackmails elected officials, world leaders.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:57 AM
Jul 21

He's taking bribes to release other countries from tariffs.

Trump is a global crime spree.

doc03

(38,179 posts)
10. Without a doubt. For mob bosses it is just how they do business, but for Trump it is
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:03 AM
Jul 21

entertainment. Trump is just pure evil.

allegorical oracle

(5,433 posts)
40. Yeah, he purposely goes after people to bring them down -- even if
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:58 AM
Jul 21

they don't deserve it. He's a maniac.

AverageOldGuy

(2,783 posts)
16. Maybe . . .
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:23 AM
Jul 21

. . . after he wastes $2 billion on restoring Alcatraz, he can be the first and only guest?

I can dream, can’t I?

GoCubsGo

(34,116 posts)
18. No. That would be his enablers.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:30 AM
Jul 21

Whether directly, or those who willingly covered up for him over his lifetime. Looking at you John Roberts and fellow Supreme Court boot-lickers, Rupert Murdoch, Mitch McConnell, God Warrior Mike Johnson, Bill Barr....

Botany

(74,872 posts)
22. Add in Elon Musk, Peter Theil, Leonard Leo, Eaton Corp, Tripp Lite,* News Corp, millions of Christo ...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:48 AM
Jul 21

Last edited Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:14 PM - Edit history (3)

… Fascists Racist Mouth Breathers Zuckerberg, Ginni Thomas and her gang, the Mercers, Vlad
Putin, Proud Boys, Roger Stone, True the Vote shits, phony electoral delegates, and J-6thers types.

* https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the



JT45242

(3,513 posts)
21. Putin higher up likely
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:47 AM
Jul 21

Putin has stolen hundreds of billions over the years. He has called the criminal shots that got mango Mussolini into power.

So, I generally hold the head of the criminal organization above any of the underlings.

Putin overseeing war crimes daily. His troops have raped more girls under his orders than tiny mushroom pecker could have as an individual.

JT45242

(3,513 posts)
80. I thought he rigged American elections and laundered a lot of money here but I see your point.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 11:10 PM
Jul 21

Aristus

(70,489 posts)
26. I was going to say:
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:01 AM
Jul 21

Davis' armed insurrection cost the country a lot more than six lives.

Botany

(74,872 posts)
37. C-19 has the Civil war beat
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:42 AM
Jul 21

“The total number of deaths in the American Civil War is estimated to be around 620,000 to 750,000. Some historians argue for a higher number, closer to 850,000, …” Although America is still suffering from
slavery because of things like the electoral college and racism.

1 million Americans died from COVID and an estimated 14 million died from it worldwide.
8 million diagnosed, 4 to 5 million undiagnosed, and @ least 1 million died because they
couldn’t get medical care because all the medical professionals and facilities were over-
whelmed by COVID cases.

bluestarone

(19,997 posts)
29. YES! Plus he also brought out the worse ever RETHUGS on our planet!
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:06 AM
Jul 21

He is definitely the reason that so many cultist drew to him like a MAGNET!! Never thought so many Americans, (RELIGIOUS people as well) were willing to thro our country and constitution in the garbage.

displacedvermoter

(3,890 posts)
30. Al Capone and NJ mobster Willie Moretti
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:09 AM
Jul 21

were both syphilitic, just like Trump is, so Trump is certainly one of the most syphilis infected criminals, for sure.

LilElf70

(1,000 posts)
31. SImple question? Simple answer!!
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:10 AM
Jul 21

Yes, Yes, and Yes..... 1000 times.

One would think that being convicted felon would do the trick.

Please feel free to add more yes'.

MiHale

(11,966 posts)
32. Abso-freaking-lutely!...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:11 AM
Jul 21

When they release the movie “Life and Crimes of The Donald” in 15-20 years no one will believe everything. It’ll seem too preposterous for real life.

jmowreader

(52,558 posts)
34. I would say yes
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:32 AM
Jul 21

What pushes his criming over the top is the position he’s in. As president he has more loot to take and more lives to ruin than other criminals do, and boy he’s taking advantage of it.

MayReasonRule

(3,584 posts)
35. The Settlers Of Our Nation Exterminated Up To 100 Million Indigenous People Within Our Borders
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:38 AM
Jul 21

There obviously were a whole host of Americans guilty of committing genocide after genocide in addition to many other mass crimes against humanity.

Trump is the worst in my lifetime.

ITAL

(1,142 posts)
41. The 100 million
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 11:11 AM
Jul 21

That's the number generally thought of as all of the people living in both of the American continents in 1492. The people actually living in what became the United States would be a small fraction of that (5-million maybe). That's not to say it wasn't still a genocide, but I see that 100M figure quoted so much, when it was two continents worth of people, not what is now the modern US.

NNadir

(36,212 posts)
36. Regrettably, no. Close, as he's building on a legacy of his predecessors, albeit out of stupidity...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:41 AM
Jul 21

...but those predecessors held human beings as if they were farm animals, bought and sold them, raped them, beat them, and so on.

The fondness of these people for that practice led to a war in which close to 600,000 Americans died, led by criminal traitors like, say, Robert E. Lee and that ilk.

The orange felon isn't very bright, and his nostalgia for the age of supreme and extreme racism is clear enough, but no, he's not the worst, in history, perhaps the worst in the 21st century, but not the worst in American history.

traveler50

(11 posts)
39. Certainly...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:54 AM
Jul 21

The biggest criminal elected to be President. He makes Nixon look like an underachiever.

Rebl2

(16,739 posts)
42. Worst
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 11:13 AM
Jul 21

Criminal president we have ever had. He’s also surrounded himself with criminals in his administration.

MissouriDem47

(232 posts)
43. As a Convicted Felon
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:41 PM
Jul 21

Last edited Wed Jul 23, 2025, 08:09 PM - Edit history (1)

TACO is the first adjudicated criminal president in our nations history.

Torchlight

(5,199 posts)
44. I think he's the most brazen, to the point of shamelessness.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:47 PM
Jul 21

But I doubt anyone's gotten really close to Madoff's final book before the walls closed in on him.

berniesandersmittens

(12,240 posts)
45. No. He's the leader of the largest organized criminal cartel, aka the GOP
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:44 PM
Jul 21

His cult is as twisted and evil as he is. He represents every crime, sin, and social moray of humanity.
If he was ever allowed to realize his worst fantasies, he would absolutely become the worst human ever in history. He very well may have control of all global power at his fingers already. Folks, our beds are on fire. ..

Edit: took a gummy and my words just aren't coming out right. Just, to shit with it all damn it.

Botany

(74,872 posts)
46. He is number 4 in the leadership depth chart of the crime syndicate
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:49 PM
Jul 21

1 Putin

2 Musk

3 Peter Theil

berniesandersmittens

(12,240 posts)
48. There's a whole lot of power in that list
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:56 PM
Jul 21

I hope, pray, mediate, and beg that the forces of good are quietly saving us behind the scenes.

red dog 1

(31,523 posts)
52. Will we ever again have elections that aren't stolen by Republicans?
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:10 PM
Jul 21

Will VonShitzInPantz cancel elections?
Listen to what he tells Christians about voting for him one last time and then not having to vote anymore.

rampartd

(2,238 posts)
54. The most ambitious criminal
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:23 PM
Jul 21

He is ,snatching the treasury,, the retirement funds, the ear ings of all future generations and fort Knox and I think he will get away with it

Brainfodder

(7,554 posts)
62. Marvel at it, that creature got elected twice to the top job in the Executive Branch.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 06:09 PM
Jul 21

A failure but effective liar with a media smoke screen, all this ever was?

mwb970

(11,889 posts)
66. Yes. By far.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 07:37 PM
Jul 21

As far as I can tell, trump is literally the very worst person on the planet.

kimbutgar

(25,662 posts)
67. without a doubt
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:00 PM
Jul 21

the orange Hitler knows how to work the legal system via his mentor roy Cohn

LymphocyteLover

(8,410 posts)
68. Certainly, taking the period and context into account. He's ruined and ended so many lives
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:01 PM
Jul 21

He's a walking crime against humanity

mdbl

(7,024 posts)
69. The real problem is the very stupid electorate and the very corrupt GOP Congress
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:32 PM
Jul 21

Dump is just the apex of what they have been trying to achieve for decades. Add to that the abdication of the SCROTUS oversight of the constitution and fascism is here.

orleans

(36,291 posts)
74. his daughter (you know, the one he wanted to fuck) must be so proud of him
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:12 PM
Jul 21

i've been wondering the last few months where the hell she is

Dem4life1970

(944 posts)
75. Short answer is yes.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:27 PM
Jul 21

Longer answer is that he makes Richard Nixon and Warren Harding look like saints. Even before he stole his way into office in 2016 with the help of the Russian government the man was as crooked as a corn maze. He has monetized the US presidency in a way no president has ever done in 250 years. He's the only president in American history to launch an attack on the United States. He lied his way back into office last year after receiving 34 felony accounts and two impeachments. He stole classified documents. He violates the emoluments clause on a daily basis. The list is too long. The Epstein stuff is the cherry on top of the 💩 cake.

Polybius

(20,606 posts)
76. "How many deaths is he responsible for?"
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:36 PM
Jul 21

Not nearly as many as W Bush, although he still has 3 1/2 years left to catch up.

fujiyamasan

(515 posts)
83. You could say a lot of the COVID deaths were on him
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 01:43 AM
Jul 22

But in bush’s case it was pretty obvious. I think people have forgotten his war basically set the Middle East on fire with the Iraq civil war and its aftermath.

gfarber

(62 posts)
77. biggest criminal
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:44 PM
Jul 21

A query arose, sharp and keen,
"Is Trump the worst criminal seen?"
With charges so grave,
And secrets to wave,
Some wonder, "Where has justice been?"

It continued, quite absurd,
"Is Trump the worst, have you heard?"
With tales of his past,
And shadows he's cast,
Some folks think he's truly deterred.

There's plenty of evidence, dark as night,
"Is Trump the worst, with all his might?"
With shadows he cast,
And secrets amassed,
A chilling and sinister sight.

FakeNoose

(38,026 posts)
78. Without a doubt, Chump is the WORST PRESIDENT ever
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:45 PM
Jul 21

There's nothing about him that is admirable or likable. That's probably a good enough reason why he has no friends.

Whether he's the worst criminal ... well ... I couldn't say. Some killers have killed more. Some thieves have stolen more. Some rapists have molested more. But we don't know the entire scope of Chump's evil deeds, so it's hard to say if he's the worst.

90-percent

(6,945 posts)
81. Question
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 12:50 AM
Jul 22

Who in America do you consider a worse criminal.?

Thanks for your attention in this matter

-90% jimmy

ellise

(35 posts)
84. Absolutely..
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 02:09 AM
Jul 22

History will not be kind to those who failed to accept and deal with this mentally unstable criminal. Hope that I live long enough to see it..please Lord.

ellise

(35 posts)
85. Absolutely..
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 02:10 AM
Jul 22

History will not be kind to those who failed to accept and deal with this mentally unstable criminal. Hope that I live long enough to see it..please Lord.

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