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alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:39 PM Yesterday

Mehdi Hasan vs 20 far-right conservatives

This is a debate between Mehdi Hasan and 20 hard-corre MAGAs - it is fascinating to see just how far right (and a couple self proclaimed Nazi supporters) these people are. I found this channel a few weeks ago and really liked the style they use in these debate round tables. It is fairly long, but just scanning thru will give u the gist of it. The guy at 22:20 is a true ‘piece of work’.

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Mehdi Hasan vs 20 far-right conservatives (Original Post) alittlelark Yesterday OP
This is representative of MAGA in general. BlueTsunami2018 Yesterday #1
I have to admit some of it shocked me - saying it so openly alittlelark Yesterday #3
If anyone has watched any of these Jubilee debates - you'll notice they use the same debaters AStern Yesterday #2
A lot of people on this site enjoy these types of debates alittlelark Yesterday #5
The pace isn't the problem - it's the treating shitty ideas (fascism/anti-science, etc) as equal arguments AStern Yesterday #18
Pretty sure any non-brainwashed viewer would recognize alittlelark Yesterday #20
I'm pretty sure Jubilee is okay with allowing Nazis and Racists spew nonsense and not one changed their minds AStern Yesterday #22
I would place a wager that a few will be diff ppl in a year alittlelark Yesterday #25
Then they need to call some different ones FoxNewsSucks 22 hrs ago #26
this is just stupid lapfog_1 Yesterday #4
About half of the round table is under 25 alittlelark Yesterday #6
That's what I thought scary FoxNewsSucks 22 hrs ago #27
This kind of platforming is how nazis get mainstreamed. It's deeply irresponsible. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #7
The ones that admitted to naziism/racism are podcasters alittlelark Yesterday #9
Giving them an even wider platform is irresponsible. If you're debating a nazi, he's won, because you're giving him WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #13
If you watched it you would see that Husin refused to debate alittlelark Yesterday #14
And he didn't know these people held these views beforehand? Come on. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #15
Mehdi seemed legit freaked out by the overtly stated views alittlelark Yesterday #16
embarrassing WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #17
I do not think it was in any way embarrassing for Medhi alittlelark Yesterday #21
I also think he did great FoxNewsSucks 22 hrs ago #28
+1 demmiblue Yesterday #19
I'd seen some clips but hadn't watched them. underpants Yesterday #8
It took me a while to get it finished, but it's worth watching, and eye-opening. FoxNewsSucks 22 hrs ago #29
The scary part was watching one of them gleefully admit malaise Yesterday #10
What's even scarier is that these people can vote In It to Win It Yesterday #12
I've seen some clips floating around... Ummm.. WHAT THE FUCK? In It to Win It Yesterday #11
I wanted to hear more from Kai roughly starting at the 1:28 minute mark. I would love to know his background he..... usaf-vet Yesterday #23
My guess he was brainwashed by his parents alittlelark Yesterday #24
Here is more about him and some of the others debating Mehdi Hasan. The guy I want to hear more from was Kai Schwemmer.. usaf-vet 7 hrs ago #30

BlueTsunami2018

(4,497 posts)
1. This is representative of MAGA in general.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:55 PM
Yesterday

Open fascists, Holocaust deniers, fans of Francisco Franco, supporters of “Christian” autocracy.

We’re in much bigger trouble as a country than it appears, and it appears pretty bad.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
3. I have to admit some of it shocked me - saying it so openly
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:04 PM
Yesterday

In public - that is what shocked me. The rocks have all been turned over.

AStern

(456 posts)
2. If anyone has watched any of these Jubilee debates - you'll notice they use the same debaters
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:03 PM
Yesterday

as if they're on speed-dial.

FWIW, I blocked Jubilee on youtube because it's simply ragebait.

I encourage others to due the same.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
5. A lot of people on this site enjoy these types of debates
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:15 PM
Yesterday

I guess they are too fast paced for some. I have watched 5+ of their round tables, and I think this one is the most fast paced.

The 1 doctor vs 20 anti vaxxers may be a better one for you to watch. It is much slower and easier to understand. I’ll post it for you here.

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AStern

(456 posts)
18. The pace isn't the problem - it's the treating shitty ideas (fascism/anti-science, etc) as equal arguments
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 05:27 PM
Yesterday

as if either have merit.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
20. Pretty sure any non-brainwashed viewer would recognize
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 05:42 PM
Yesterday

That Mehdi was consistant and fact-based whereas the MAggots were illogical and oftentimes repulsive in their thinking

I think the 20-1 panel shows the strength of the 1.

AStern

(456 posts)
22. I'm pretty sure Jubilee is okay with allowing Nazis and Racists spew nonsense and not one changed their minds
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 05:51 PM
Yesterday

So at the end of the day, it's still 1 vs 20.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,218 posts)
26. Then they need to call some different ones
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:14 PM
22 hrs ago

because that batch of fascists sucked. Quite frankly, they were nearly all a bunch of asshole ignoramuses.

lapfog_1

(31,127 posts)
4. this is just stupid
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:06 PM
Yesterday

there isn't any point in debating these morons. They are a lost cause. There is no changing their minds, even slightly.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
6. About half of the round table is under 25
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:23 PM
Yesterday

My guess (hope) is that within a year or less a number of them will change for the better - you can see it in the eyes of a few of them.

The older ones ARE a lost cause - I fully agree with that, but I have to have hope for the younger ones to break free from the brainwashing. I think these types of debates can help those whose minds have not become coprolites.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,218 posts)
27. That's what I thought scary
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:17 PM
22 hrs ago

They look and otherwise seem "ordinary", and really prove that don't judge a book by its cover thing.

Yet they publicly said all that rancid shit.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
9. The ones that admitted to naziism/racism are podcasters
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:17 PM
Yesterday

They are already out and proud - and their beliefs were so extreme that some of the other MAGATS were wincing.

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,339 posts)
13. Giving them an even wider platform is irresponsible. If you're debating a nazi, he's won, because you're giving him
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:22 PM
Yesterday

legitimacy.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
14. If you watched it you would see that Husin refused to debate
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:57 PM
Yesterday

Once the person says they support Naziism, Fascism, or Authoritarianism. He just stopped after explaining that he would not debate with someone with those beliefs.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
16. Mehdi seemed legit freaked out by the overtly stated views
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 05:17 PM
Yesterday

Of a few - I don’t think he knew the extremity of the views would be vocalized. They are usually hidden behind waffle words and cult phrases.

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
21. I do not think it was in any way embarrassing for Medhi
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 05:45 PM
Yesterday

He does not seem embarrassed about it at all, and I have always respected him.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,218 posts)
28. I also think he did great
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:19 PM
22 hrs ago

I miss his show. Firing him really tells us all we need to know about corporate media.

I also don't think this helps the nazis. Letting them spew unchallenged might, but Mehdi didn't do that. He addressed their BS, and this video should actually be a lot more widely seen.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,218 posts)
29. It took me a while to get it finished, but it's worth watching, and eye-opening.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:21 PM
22 hrs ago

And depressing to realize what surrounds us every day out in public.

usaf-vet

(7,613 posts)
23. I wanted to hear more from Kai roughly starting at the 1:28 minute mark. I would love to know his background he.....
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 06:02 PM
Yesterday

..... said "I'm a Constitutional Originalist." Where has he been schooled would be my first question.

I wanted to hear more from Kai starting around the 1:28 minute mark. I would love to know his background; he said, "I'm a Constitutional Originalist." My first question would be: where has he been schooled?

alittlelark

(19,013 posts)
24. My guess he was brainwashed by his parents
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 06:12 PM
Yesterday

Then further ‘schooled’ by maga coprolites.

usaf-vet

(7,613 posts)
30. Here is more about him and some of the others debating Mehdi Hasan. The guy I want to hear more from was Kai Schwemmer..
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 11:58 AM
7 hrs ago

..... he apparently is part of a group called "Groyper" Pinesap.

This video will tell you more as it did for me.



Wow, and the world thought we, the youth of the '60s, were far out. If my 78-year-old memory is not failing me at this moment (there are moments when it does), all we want is more peace and love in the world. Unfortunately, by 1965, I was in the USAF and part of the Vietnam generation.
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