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Everything is the exact opposite of what it really is. Harry Nilsson
I watched South Park 27:1, which I consider to be a historical classic. I was pleased to find that my family and friends were enjoying it, too. People need to laugh at the felon.
Next I watched news about the felon's attempts to deny the public access to the Epstein files. It was the topic of discussion on numerous news shows and podcasts. My family and friends are finding this a giggle, too. We benefit from the spreading good news at this strange time in our nation's history.
As a student of Erich Fromm's books and teachings, it reminds me of one of the topics he wrote about. I had actually been thinking about emotional contagion theory for the past day, after watching the sentencing in the Idaho University case. The basic idea can be understood in thinking about walking down the sidewalk of life, and a person smiles and says hello. Most of us will also smile, and say hello.
That smile is a result of emotional contagion. It happens on the unconscious level. It is, of course, closely tied to your making the conscious decision to say hello back to them. The same dynamic is found if a person walking by has a angry look on their mug and says fuck you as they pass by you. It is likely that you would make a face and say something rude in response. In this day and age, I'd recommend saying it under your breath, as there are lots of hostile, unstable people walking around in our country.
Emotional contagions can effect and change the moods of both individuals and groups of all sizes. They can be positive or negative, and can change a person or group's behavior as a result. This is important.
Now that I am retired, I watch a lot of true crime. And not just about the felon in the White House. Since the 1960s, I have had relatives or friends murdered in every decade but one. However, in that one, a racist hate gang attacked my nephew and left him for dead in a dark field. He lived, but I know the impact on him, his family, and friends has similar features similar to those in the murders.
Anyhow, the family and friends of the four Idaho students brutally murdered were able to deliver victim impact statements this week. A very sad atmosphere, of course. As people told of their pain and suffering, others in the audience would start crying. But then the older sister of one victim spoke. It was, simply put, the very best speech on a sociopathic creep who delighted in stabbing four defenseless college kids to death.
As she spoke, a change came over the audience. Her strength was an emotional contagion that helped others reclaim their power. Now, that doesn't always happen. I knew I was watching something special. All of my old co-workers from the mental health clinic viewed it the same way.
Fromm noted that while emotional contagions, being unconscious, are distinct from empathy, which is conscious, the two are closely related. While watching the sentencing, it was glaringly obvious that one person stuck out, the defendant. The sadness many expressed was not felt on any level by him. And he has no sense of empathy. It is not that his ilk don't feel emotions
.. they can, though on an extremely limited range. I am certain he took pleasure in witnessing people's suffering.
And when the victim's sister was verbally crushing him, she has said she saw a cold rage in his eyes. She also said that when she first looked at him, she had physical responses telling her he was a dangerous person, to get away. Always listen to yourself that way. The unconscious mind speaks in its own language.
I've been thinking about these things in the context of the felon. Not just that he is a toxic emotional contagion, though he is of the most dangerous type. Or that he lacks the capacity for empathy, for we have known that. I am thinking more about how people are dealing with the Epstein scandal today. In my opinion, the way that we as Democrats deal with it is most important.
Think about this when you are communicating with others, watching the news, or on the internet. Yes, we all known good people who are worn out. But we know that no one does their best thinking then. Always smile and say hello to them. But there are also those who are purposefully trying to depress Democrats. To make it seem like everyone is helpless, and everything is hopeless. Beware of darkness. We need strength now.

CaliforniaPeggy
(154,641 posts)We must not yield to the depression coming our way, from the republicans. It is vital to our eventual success that we avoid the darkness and hang on to our strength.
It's like being on a bridge. We can use the bridge to help us get where we need to go, or we can use the bridge to allow the darkness to murder us.
The choice is ours.
I choose life, humor and strength.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)What we do now, today, is that bridge which the younger & future generations need. (Many years ago, the newspaper I wrote for & edited was "Ahskwa," the Onondaga word meaning "the bridge."
Kid Berwyn
(21,513 posts)The Disruptors work is to delay, degrade, deny, defame, detach and all else that divides unity.
Q: Why? Why do they pop up, like clockwork, to diminish so many important posts?
A: It makes it easier to destroy democracy.
PFS: Great post, H2O Man! Puts a lime in the coconut.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)It is important that we all get in touch with our inner-Harry N from time to time. And as Cynthia noted, to add a twist of Lennon. Even give a tip of the hat to what George identified as Paul's worst song to go on an album.
I think we could set our clocks by the timing of the Eeyore troops who channel his famous quote, "I'm so upset that I forgot to be happy."
NJCher
(40,837 posts)I've been noticing, too, for a long time. I always challenge these posts.
Some people here, whether are disruptors or just depressed people, seem to think the place is a therapy board where they can let out their negative feelings. First, it's never been shown that venting does anything positive.
Second, it's a discussion board for ideas, not a therapy session with a shrink.
kerry-is-my-prez
(10,095 posts)It can only be explained by psychological and sociological principles. Not that Im saying that people should be seeking therapy here but if we want to understand what is going on in this country right now - it can only be understood by examining peoples maladaptive behavior.
NJCher
(40,837 posts)I disagree with. What I'm talking about is people stating something, say a trump executive order, and then saying "We're f&*cked."
That's obviously wrong. Most of these far flung fantasies of his that he throws out as EIs, are contested in court. It took a long time for people here to realize that. Because I have so much experience with the law, I started telling about it way back in January and that if they were unconstitutional, they would be contested. Now everyone seems to understand that. The link I put out which shows the cases is now regularly provided by many posters.
BTW, the media was a big problem with that. They reported it as if trump could do anything he wanted. Not the case.
Others state definitively that we'll never "need to vote again." Oh really? How would they know?
It actually surprises me who some of the biggest offenders are. If I'm able, I get right in there early in their negative thread and stomp out the negativity.
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Wild blueberry
(7,780 posts)Thank you for your hard-won wisdom, H2O Man.
I hold Heather Cox Richardson's statement--that we do not know how this will turn out--to heart, daily.
Finding for myself, my family, my friends, and my community that keeping fierce hope alive, looking for ways to help locally, and holding a vision of a transformed future to be very beneficial.
And by transformed future, I mean one where "We all do better when we all do better" as Jim Hightower's dad and Paul Wellstone said. Enough food, housing, labor unions, meaningful & well-paid work, universal healthcare, and more.
Thank you.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)Heather Cox Richardson is among the most brilliant minds of this era. So to even have her name mentioned on this OP/thread is an honor!
I was talking earlier today with a friend of an old friend. He is a teacher at an upstate university, and seems to be a thoughtful, decent man. He was debating my old grade school friend about the felon's advocating incarcerating the homeless. He thought it was a good idea.
I noted that the issue had roots in the Reagan era's booting people out of long-term psychiatric facilities in the 1980s. Now, obviously, not all homeless people suffer from mental illness. Today's economy renders people homeless. I don't think poverty should be treated like a crime. Also, teen run-aways make up a fair percentage of the homeless. I'm not use that jailing kids for attempting to escape from horrible home lifes is a good answer.
Likewise, though there can be overlap between mental health services and law enforcement when it comes to "community crises" involving a mentally ill individual, many states have cut programs that formerly addressed problems before they reached the crisis stage. Thus, police are now tasked with dealing with issues that could have been avoided -- at a much cheaper price to tax-payers.
There are better ways for society to function. We need to bring them into being. And we will. It is a tough fight, but they are the only ones worth winning.
SidneyR
(165 posts)No empathy; nothing but rage and hate for others. Only they are important.
NJCher
(40,837 posts)I watched the segment. His eyes were cold as stones.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)college classmates described him as "a hollow entity, not human."
I thought the victim's sister's statement was amazing.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)My brother's younger daughter had recently graduated there. Well before BK was caught, he had asked me for my impression. I had been trained long ago by J. Reid Meloy, then the top forensic psychologist in the country. I gave him my thoughts, and recommended he listen to Gary Brucato, who I have great respect for. Gary would also give a good description early on. But I think people are impressed by how extreme a sociopath he is.
I hope people forget his name. But there is a very good chance that Gary will be interviewing him in the future, for limited scientific study.
AllaN01Bear
(26,685 posts)H2O Man
(77,541 posts)a day to remember.

H2O Man
(77,541 posts)the good cheer will be very similar to when WW2 ended. I admit that I am unaware of how available hashish was back then. But I anticipate finding out on that day.
AllaN01Bear
(26,685 posts)must have been glorious. esp that one iconic photo of a sailor kissing a woman somewhere .
Easterncedar
(4,758 posts)Just what I needed today. I am en-couraged. Thanks, H2O Man.
Zackzzzz
(103 posts)I have lost friends, tragic circumstances and I feel pain.
I have my memories and I am a survivor.
So I sing,
"Always look at the bright side of life".
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)I appreciate that!
The felon has to be pretty paranoid about Maxwell's brother sending the birthday greeting to Rupert Murdoch's WSJ. I want to point out -- and not to you, as I think you know -- that this level of thugs doesn't communicate messages in an open way. Maxwell didn't actually say, "Give her a pardon, very soon, or there is much more to come." But he communicated it. Hence, the felon immediatelt sent his lawyer from the Stormy Daniels case to deal with her. I respect Ms. Daniels for her case, in which she was afraid. The Maxwells play on a very different level, and have zero fear of the felon hurting them.
malthaussen
(18,192 posts)... to see just how far they can separate from the general spirit of the people in making their assorted decrees. There's always been a bit of this, of course, because TPTB have never cared much for the people they claim to represent but aspire only to direct. But every branch of government now seems to be testing just how far they can go in not just ignoring the will of the people, but in acting directly contrary to it. So far, the answer seems to be "pretty damned far," and I wonder when the worm is ever going to truly turn.
If and when it does, it will be because of something very like Fromme's emotional contagion. Eventually, we're going to have to collectively decide we aren't taking any more. The reaction of California to the ICE invasion gives hope. I note the Marines were withdrawn, which was probably a great relief to them.
-- Mal
NJCher
(40,837 posts)it's a long-term plan to destroy democracy. They've been working on it for 30 years.
Then they choose a dumbass like trump to put on the finishing touches. Duh.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)in his 1973 book that when a sociopath achieves social-political power in society, they pull in people with antisocial personality disorders close to them. Their arrangements allow the ASPD to have license to become increasingly cruel. Today we think of a Stephen Miller in that light.
I think that the corporate control of government has reached a new level under the felon.
brakester
(392 posts)and we witness it every day.
I see a need to plant seeds, to bottle wine, to cache what the Right Wing is trying to erase so that future generations can rebuild a progressive, kind, peace loving, open, and vibrant society. Each person looking towards a brighter future, free of fear and coercion.
speak easy
(12,079 posts)John, George and Ringo hated recording that song so much, they found it hard to think about doing another album with Paul. If it had been a one off maybe they could have put it behind them, but it was repeat performance of the recording of Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da the year before. Toxic emotional contagion you might say.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)You posted this -- #9, #9, #9.... at 3:04. At 3:05, my post pointing out that it is the worst song Paul ever contributed to a Beatles album. I am certain that every single friend I had in college remains fully aware of that! Ah, to be young, hanging out with friends at college, sitting around the rock that served as a table in my apartment (the only furniture besides an old mattress), listening to The Beatles while consuming massive quanties of alcohol, passing the bong, and perhaps taking something to help turn off our minds, relax, and float downstream!
speak easy
(12,079 posts)Revolution 9 was the worst thing the Beatles ever recorded. It makes MSH seem like Hey Jude.
Revolution 9 was a favorite at college. Taking a hit of acid and playing it backwards -- and it, along with MSH and "Oh Bla Di,Oh Bla Da" made a strong case that Paul actually did die -- at least creatively, for a bit.
The 50 year "white album" special release had the early version of Revolution with some of the stuff that later went on #9 on it. I'm glad they separated it, of course. If my memory serves me correctly -- doubtful, after rising from a mid-day nap -- John, Yoko, and George contributed to Revolution 9. Just my opinion, but I think they were predicting the current administration.
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malthaussen
(18,192 posts)He gets to play anvil on it.
-- Mal
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,854 posts)Thank you. I needed that.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)malaise
(287,164 posts)Always smile and say hello to them.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)that at a recent rally, a guy pulled up close to the sidewalk and was yelling something. I leaned in towards his window, but instead of saying something rude, all I could come up with was "I love you." He sped off. I felt I had not done my best, until others said that was the best possible response.
malaise
(287,164 posts)Vendors, regular taxi men and utility workers and I never walk past a bus stop without saying good morning or good afternoon.
One day last year during our morning walk, my keys fell off the chain around my neck and someone literally strung them up on my fence. I still dont know who saw them drop.
Being civilized is painless. It builds community.
FadedMullet
(362 posts)H2O Man
(77,541 posts)I really appreciate that!
Hekate
(98,680 posts)I had to go to the store. I encountered three people I know, who said, "Hi, how's it going?" Each time I said, "I'm trying to forget Jeffery Epstein, as the president requested. But he is everywhere." After laughing, each of the three talked about news reports they are seeing.
To those I didn't know, of course, I said, "Good, and how are you?"
NJCher
(40,837 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 26, 2025, 04:12 PM - Edit history (1)
Explains so much of what is going on today. I read his Escape from Freedom when I was very young and have posted about it many times on these threads.
Also, at the schools I taught at, "emotional contagion" is a phenomenon and body of scholarly literature that we teach.
I will tell you a funny story about it.
In speech class, students have to give a basic "how to" speech. How to sew on a button, how to wash your car, how to whatever it is the student knows about. Not surprisingly, this exercise gives rise to a "how to make a mixed drink" because so many of the students work as bartenders. When they ask if they can do that topic, I tell them yes but any bottles have to have only colored water or plain water in them (their props).
The funny part is that when they go around serving their "water cocktails," the students start acting like happy drunks. Believe me, I check those bottles before they start the speech because alcohol is not allowed on public campuses in NJ. It's water they are drinking.
I always find it funny that they act like they have had a few when they watch these speeches. They become noticeably more animated, participate more, and find everything funny. They can get a little loud, and I have to sometimes quiet them down so they don't disturb other classes.
Emotional contagion.
brakester
(392 posts)H2O Man
(77,541 posts)Good teachers make such a difference in students' lives. And the funny thing is, those teachers may not be aware of the impact that they have had -- even on a pain-in-the-behind student. Of course, I'm remembering my own experiences as that kid.
It was a 10th grade teacher who suggested that I read Fromm. Many decades later, when we encountered each other in an unexpected place, he said that even back then, he saw that I had a different potential than others in the school. Earlier this summer, the school I went to gave my old science teacher an award. She used to get frustrated with me, thinking I never paid attention. Even kicked me out of class a couple times. So she was pleased to learn I had paid attention ..... closely enough, in fact, for me to "challenge" my first three science classes in college, and score 4.0 on each test.
If it rains as predicted today, I'll make the outline for a presentation I'll be making at a museum later this month. I will start by noting that I became fascinated with the topic by my second grade teacher. So no doubt out there are students who think of you, and the life lessons that you taught them.
Your post has made me very happy. I keep reading it, over and over.
littlemissmartypants
(28,634 posts)Cross posting this OP in The Way Forward ...
https://democraticunderground.com/13243776
❤️
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)I appreciate that!
2naSalit
(97,402 posts)H2O Man
(77,541 posts)Thank you!
Dave Bowman
(5,531 posts)H2O Man
(77,541 posts)you are referencing George's song (above), rather than Paul's. I find myself listening to "Beware of Darkness" every time I leave my property.
Saoirse9
(3,896 posts)Had me laughing out loud.
I do think that once he pardons Maxwell there will be a percentage of magas who don't buy the cover story. After all he campaigned on releasing all of the Epstein files. Many of them will buy the coverup because at this point they are just as delusional as the felon himself.
I don't feel hopeless but I do feel conquered.
I also feel as many do, that Putin, Murdoch and Elmo have turned on the felon and will see to it that he's replaced by Vance.
What do you think?
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)Let's start with a Beatles song, shall we?
One of the least understood things involving Epsein et al is this idea of "blackmail." That this is how Epstein made his millions, by threatening to release documentation of some creep's perversions. As if that would be beneficial beyond one individual. No, we need to start thinking differently to understand it is all about unspoken leverage. Having enough of a hold on someone that they will make the financial/trade deal that you benefit from. This isn't some Hollywood movie where threats are made out loud.
Now let's look at an example. This Maxwell woman is in prison, exactly where she belongs. We are seeing a quiet campaign to make her appear to be yet another victim of Epstein. Give me a fucking break. At the very least, they were equal partners. Far more likely, as she was smarter than him, with longer connections to "dark" intelligence, she was directing his show. Obviously, she would be the one to recruit underage girls like any other pimp. That was merely because the underage girls trusted her.
Next, where did the WSJ get the felon's birthday card for Epstein's 50th birthday? It wasn't from a DOJ file. Let's think ..... she wants out of jail. Who could quietly exert leverage that would then become headline news? Who might have had this? Oh, her brother, a Maxwell with quiet clout in England. You get me? Is that not a clear message to the felon, to let her out before more humiliating records are released?
Let's test that theory. Immediately upon rumor of this hit the fan, the felon's lawyer -- now #2 at DOJ -- contacting his good friend, who happens to be Ms. Maxwell's lawyer. They arranged for him to meet with her. This is the silent language of leverage. None of them have to say, "I beg your pardon." It is one of those deals.
Now, some may ask, why now? I will speculate that the answer to that is found in your question!
Saoirse9
(3,896 posts)So do you think part of his motivation for doing this is the fact that the Russian contingent want him replaced with Vance? Remember, I am recently retired and my brain no longer fires on all 8 cylinders.
Nowadays you have to hit me over the head with something before I get it.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)I do not have a firm opinion on Russia and Vance. On one hand, Putin wanted the felon, to damage the democratic foundations of our country. And the felon has done that. On the other hand, the felon has been a bit lippy about Putin in the weeks before the Epstein files became of central interest. It is unlikely that Putin would allow the yappy pup to alpha-male him.
It would be safe to say that European countries would prefer Vance to the felon. For example, let's take England. If someone there had evidence of the felon & Epstein's being two wild and crazy guys, and knew the felon did not understand the language of the decency to respect traditional international relationships, they might send a message in the tongue the felon does understand. I would speculate that this is more in play than Russia. But that is just my opinion, and really, what does a woodchuck like me know? I mean, other than that some OP/threads on DU are getting attention beyond our community?
Saoirse9
(3,896 posts)Cool.
AntiFascist
(13,579 posts)that Trump had mastered at one time. I can't wait for the day when a majority of Americans decide they've had enough of this greedy pig trough of self-entitlement and put it away once and for all.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)That is the ultimate example!
spanone
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H2O Man
(77,541 posts)Joinfortmill
(18,665 posts)H2O Man
(77,541 posts)I am happily surprised that people seem to like the OP. I had flipped a coin to decide if I should even post it.
Clouds Passing
(5,423 posts)Ive always actually hated that song and didnt know why until I did some research on it. Yikes! Its the making okay of brutally and seriously attacking women to death. What a horrible concept to promote.
Thanks, H2O Man for a very provocative essay.
H2O Man
(77,541 posts)Back in the day, there were a few McCartney songs I couldn't stand listening to. These days, with CDs, they are much easier to skip over them. And with that, my appreciation for Paul has grown. Ever since watching them on Ed Sullivan's really big shoe, I always have found John to be the most interesting of the group. And after the Beatles, the Plastic Ono Band is my favorite.
One of my goals in life is to never hear that song again. It is just god awful.