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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo Hamas has agreed to release all the hostages, and it is almost
certain that trump will not only get credit for it, but the MSM will push that theme to the limit.
The damage that Hamas did with the October 7 massacre to our Democracy, with the help of the protesters and those who refused to vote for Harris, will be with us for decades.
I hope I am wrong, and I could be. Remember the George H Bush invasion of Iraq, the first gulf war? I suspect many thought that a second term for HW bush was inevitable. That didnt quite work out.

underpants
(193,369 posts)or at least to what degree?
Lets see how much Hamas slow crawls this.
lostincalifornia
(4,668 posts)They have no leverage anymore since majority Arab states got behind it.
Arazi
(8,420 posts)In fact, my presumption is zero hostages are released in the next 72 hours (as demanded) and Bibi just speeds up his ethnic cleansing
lostincalifornia
(4,668 posts)The backing of major neighboring Arab countries.
Arazi
(8,420 posts)Theres other provisions Im sure theyll never agree to either but that one is sure to kill this deal pronto
SunSeeker
(56,866 posts)lostincalifornia
(4,668 posts)think would happen if the hostages werent released?
It also has the backing of major Arab countries.
They know what will happen if they dont, and since it was Hamas who said it, I suspect it will happen. They have no other cards to play.
SunSeeker
(56,866 posts)https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/03/politics/trump-hamas-deadline-gaza-deal
Well, Hamas hasn't agreed to the proposal. There is no peace agreement.
We got nothing new. Hamas has always agreed to these parts of our proposals, i.e., releasing the hostages if certain conditions are met. Hamas rejected the parts it always rejects. It refused to disarm/surrender and refused to give up a governing role in Gaza, both key requirements of Netanyahu.
And, Hamas has previously agreed to release the hostages as part of a ceasefire agreement, yet gone back on its word. So any conditional promise by Hamas to release hostages isn't worth much.
Trump is being played by Hamas (they got him to back off his Sunday deadline to accept the deal, with no new deadline) and Netanyahu (who continues to get full monentary & weapons support while clearing out Palestinians from Gaza City). And the MSM is being played by Trump. The MSM continues to be Trump's propaganda stenographer.
lostincalifornia
(4,668 posts)surprise. trump has been playing most of the MSM for sometime now, and like dominos they have been carrying the water for him.
Bluestocking
(319 posts)At least this nightmare will be over
lostincalifornia
(4,668 posts)democracy will be with us for a long time I suspect.
QueerDuck
(177 posts)lostincalifornia
(4,668 posts)QueerDuck
(177 posts)But is Hamas to be believed?
usonian
(21,180 posts)BUT

Xolodno
(7,190 posts)I read today they were fighting with another clan in Gaza. They are in trouble and know it.
And of course Trump will bitch and moan, domestic policy always takes priority over foreign policy. And he's definately screwing that up. People want jobs, food on the table, roof over thier heads and opportunities. Thus far, he's doing the opposite. Putin is still popular in Russia because he knows that if the populace is happy, they'll go along with whatever he wants to do outside of their borders. H. Bush didn't realize that and was easily beat by a no name governor from a small state because he understood this. Droping a ton on money on Argentina isn't going to do you any favors.
Bibi is going to have to make a hard decision, does he allow Hamas to survive quietly and nuetered. Or risk a civil war in Gaza in which the PA will no doubt regain control? He totally miscalculated by making sure the two were in opposition with turning a blind eye to Hamas.
AZJonnie
(1,763 posts)I'm pretty sure it would belong to the Israeli military who relentless bombed and attacked and starved the territory into oblivion, killing 100's of 1000's of people. At this Israel simply are the victors of the war, because Hamas can no longer go on fighting.
Effectively all IQ47 really did is send weapons and tell Bibi that the USA doesn't care what atrocities you want to commit in order to win.
And I'm sure as shit he didn't write a single word of the "deal" himself.
SSJVegeta
(1,647 posts)Theres far more suffering that is and will occur intentionally because of him that no amount of foreign affairs or ignoring the epstein files could make up for.
lostincalifornia
(4,668 posts)SSJVegeta
(1,647 posts)Be proportional -to some degree, with whatever is happening.
Johnny2X2X
(23,474 posts)But it wont save anyone in Gaza. Gazas fate was sealed almost a year ago.
Jack Valentino
(3,474 posts)but there's a LONG way to go before it is a fact.
Trump deserves credit for FINALLY trying to do something about this,
as well as condemnation for waiting SO FUCKING LONG to do it.