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SaydiTom

(27 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:31 PM Friday

If Ukraine had ceded territory - it would also be giving Putin the people who live there

And we know what Russian troops did to the people in the areas of Ukraine that they occupied. Kidnap, rape, torture, murder.

And Trump was fine with it.

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Srkdqltr

(9,149 posts)
1. Why should Ukraine give territories to Russia? Russia should be paying for the damage they did.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:36 PM
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SaydiTom

(27 posts)
2. Exactly. Why isn't that the focus of the media coverage?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:40 PM
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Same for Netanyahu - why isn't the focus of the coverage the date that his war crimes trial starts.

MichMan

(16,365 posts)
3. Just like the Yalta agreement did in WWII
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:48 PM
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East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, and Albania. The west was duped by Stalin

Abnredleg

(1,235 posts)
4. Most likely they will relocate to Ukraine
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:52 PM
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Assuming they haven’t done so already. The Donetsk has been a battle ground for a number of years now.

Fortunately the EU is supporting Ukraine on this issue.

WarGamer

(18,148 posts)
11. The vast majority already have... Eastern Ukraine is heavily pro-Russian... for decades.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:29 PM
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I've got a great idea... leave it up to the Ukrainians.

Xolodno

(7,249 posts)
12. Three million Ukrainians actually fled INTO Russia at the start of the war.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:23 PM
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They would return and resettle the Donbass.

PJMcK

(24,485 posts)
5. Trump's plan is unacceptable
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:24 PM
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Ukraine MUST BE PROTECTED. The future of Europe is at stake. Putin is a tyrannical despot who must be stopped.

Why does Trump acquiesce to Putin? Hmm. In light of Trump’s fear of the Epstein information, the answer seems obvious.

Baitball Blogger

(51,520 posts)
6. Why would Ukraine agree to give up everything, in return for "assurances"
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 06:45 PM
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of protection? No one honored the agreement of protection when they agreed to close down their nuclear plant.

But with the agreement they give up land and WEAPONS and other tings.

I wouldn't do it.

Initech

(106,978 posts)
7. In a just world, Vladimir Putin would be given the same treatment we gave Osama.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 07:07 PM
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Instead we have to deal with President Fuckhead and his goon squad.

maxsolomon

(37,917 posts)
8. The occupied territory is devoid of population now. It's a wasteland.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 07:12 PM
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Except for the areas of Donetsk that were captured in the original "Little Green Men" incursion.

Straw Man

(6,917 posts)
9. Not necessarily.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 07:30 PM
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If Ukraine had ceded territory - it would also be giving Putin the people who live there

I would assume most of them would choose to leave before the takeover was finalized. That's what happened to the territory that Finland lost to the USSR in the Moscow Armistice after the Continuation War. Essentially, no Finn in their right mind wanted to stick around and find out what life under Stalin would be like. Yes, they lost their homes and other property, but I'm sure most if not all of them looked back on that decision -- tragic and traumatic as it was -- as the right one.

womanofthehills

(10,647 posts)
10. Actually, Crimea is almost totally Russian now
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:05 PM
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After the annexation, a million Russians moved in and lots of Ukrainians left. The Dunbas is around 35 to 40% Russian.

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