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AIs real contribution to humanity could be maximizing corporate profit by preying on personal data to raise prices. In fact, its already happening.
https://prospect.org/2025/12/02/prices-in-the-machine-ai/

Earlier this year, a slightly balding man in spectacles, a black T-shirt, and bright high-top sneakers gave a presentation about how his computer can predict what you want to buy. His name is Dr. Uri Yerushalmi, co-founder and chief artificial intelligence officer of Fetcherr, an Israeli-based pricing consultant used by a half dozen airlines around the world. While most of us in the AI community have been focusing on building models that are generating either text or image, in Fetcherr we have been focusing during the last five years on building large market models, Yerushalmi said. Trained on years of market dataprices, orders, competitors, regulation, stock prices, even the weatherFetcherrs business agents aim to simulate market dynamics, assist pricing analysts, and even automatically price tickets.
One presentation slide stuck out. It showed price fluctuations before the use of Fetcherrs system and after. In the before graph, prices are relatively static and straight. After Fetcherr, the jagged lines pulse with staccato rhythms. The dynamic is much more similar to dynamics in NASDAQ or capital markets where the prices change much more frequently, said Yerushalmi, because every time something in the market changes, there is an immediate response. Yerushalmi once ran AI for a high-speed stock trading firm. He approaches pricing like a science experiment, engaging in constant real-time testing and tweaking to maximize corporate profits. Fetcherr boasts of delivering annual revenue uplift of over 10 percent. The guinea pigs for these tests, the ones being separated from their cash, are you and me.

AI can depict you as an anime character. It can respond half-intelligently to questions about the Franco-Prussian War or concentrations of sulfur in the upper atmosphere. It can delight and distract and maybe help you get work done. But none of that is as prized by corporate America as its data-driven approach to the previously conjectural world of pricing. Thats the use case they dont want you to talk about. Thats why were building all these data centers, said Lee Hepner, senior legal counsel for the American Economic Liberties Project. As we have built social media platforms that shape the flow of information across society, now we are building the platforms that control the flow of money.
Technology-fueled pricing is more widespread than once thought, presenting serious policy challenges in an age where affordability is on everyones minds. AI bots are colluding with one another, anticipating consumer choices, and accumulating surplusthat is, transferring wealthfor the businesses that employ them. Its part of why corporate profits hit record highs after the pandemic and have stayed there. The public recoils at the thought of seeing prices tick up based on when they like to get lunch or what device theyre using. When Delta, which employs Fetcherr as a pricing agent, announced on an earnings call this summer that up to 20 percent of its flights would be priced using AI by the end of the year, the outcry was so intense that the company claimed its critics were peddling misinformation.
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Initech
(107,034 posts)It was $120 for a 32GB set only a couple months ago. Now that same set goes for over $400. Double that RAM and it's double the price. That will happen to a lot of things in the near future.
AZJonnie
(2,475 posts)And I hadn't looked for a few months. I didn't remember exactly what they were at when I last looked but I remembered it was very tempting due to prices being pretty decent for a 4 stick 64GB set. I looked yesterday and was like WTF, no way I'm doing this. But I wasn't sure how much it had increased.
32GB sets aren't $400 though, at least not DDR4 (I'm still on a Ryzen 5800X), unless maybe if you want super low latency stuff. But I didn't look at DDR5. $400 is absurd for 32GB either way even if it's the absolute fastest variety.
I'm a bit loathe to replace my trusty, very fast Samsung B-die sticks anyway so I'll just deal with fewer running containers or VM's, like I have been
Anyways, unless Newegg is using this AI pricing, I imagine I was looking at the same prices as everyone. I think the goal of this AI stuff in the article is to individualize pricing down to the person themselves, or at least the machine they're shopping on.
Initech
(107,034 posts)I'm quoting DDR5 prices and it seems to be mainly affecting RAM kits that use the Samsung B-Die. The shortage isn't affecting DDR4 prices. I use Corsair Dominator Platinum and my main system runs 2 x 32GB at 5600. That set was running almost $1,000. My main gaming system uses DDR5-6000 and that was running for $400. Apparently some market expert was saying that it's going to get worse before it gets better.
I want to build a new rig to replace my aging 5 year old system that's still running a 5800X. Thankfully I bought some extra RAM and SSDs last year and had some leftover, so that will be going in this new system.
AZJonnie
(2,475 posts)I also mentioned my processor, and it turns out we're running the same one on our 5 year old systems (mine started with a 3600X though I bought the 5-series when the 7-series was hitting)
But yeah, even DDR4 looks like it's more than it was a few months back. Or maybe it's just that I'm poorer RN than I was back then, so it seems more expensive than I remember
Still trippy you brought it up cause I was shopping RAM yesterday
erronis
(22,195 posts)They are tracking every move you make, every time your eyeball gazes a few more milliseconds on a product on a page.
They know what your spending habits are and how much you want/need something.
The price presented to you is personalized.
dickthegrouch
(4,210 posts)In SF and NYC there has been a huge problem of sky high rentals due to algorithms raising the price on a near-daily basis.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/24/business/doj-settles-case-accusing-real-estate-tech-firm-realpage-of-enabling-landlords-to-collude-on-sky-high-rents/
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/realpage-settles-with-feds-over-alleged-algorithmic-collusion-112625.html
https://www.bellhaven.org/learn/Collusion
hunter
(40,262 posts)They can't win if you don't play the game.
I'll take a pass on consumerism. I don't want to be a consumer. I'm a human being. I want a safe, secure, comfortable place to live. I want clean water and healthy food. I want appropriate medical care. And so on.
Consumer "choices" are like the hoops little dogs dressed in tutus jump through at the circus.
LudwigPastorius
(13,924 posts)Your worth is not based on if you care for the elderly, teach, or provide childcare for our kids, create art that nourishes the soul, harvest or prepare our food, clean our rooms, etc...
Your only intrinsic worth is how much money can be extracted from you & how much money you can generate for someone else.