Anyone who didn't 100% support

[SocialDemocrat61]

Kamala Harris, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton are responsible for today’s murder. That woman’s blood is on your hands.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

1. THIS!!! nt

[rzemanfl]

2. My hands are clean.

[SocialDemocrat61]

3. I assume

everyone on du has clean hands.

[31st Street Bridge]

26. I won't if I ever catch one of them

I mean that.

[multigraincracker]

4. Kept my T-Shirt.

[Autumn]

5. It's on the fucking repiglicans hands who will not do their job. It's on Trumps hands and

every fucking politician that voted for anything he wanted and the US government for allowing

DON"T you dare try to blame it on the people who voted.

[leftstreet]

6. +1

[H2O Man]

8. Correct.

People need to get a grip. This is too an important a time to waste energy.

[SocialDemocrat61]

9. What about the people who stayed home

or voted third party as a protest?

[Autumn]

10. Kamala was warned by the Palestinian Americans if she continued

to support Israel in their genocide against Gaza they would not vote for her, as is every Americans right. The same Arab Americans who helped Biden win in 2020 but by mid term were pulling away from Biden because of US support of Israel's war on Gaza She took the gamble and lost.

But yeah take the blame of the fucking pieces of shit and put it where it doesn't belong.

[SocialDemocrat61]

11. "All that is necessary for the

triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” or vote third party.

Anyone who didn’t vote for Harris to stop Trump is responsible.

[Autumn]

12. And a damn good woman didn't take American citizen fear for their families in another country to heart.

I believe she was ill advised.

[SocialDemocrat61]

14. Trump was worse for Palestine

Than any democrat. Applying a purity test to Harris only benefited Trump.

[Autumn]

15. There was no win for them in that situation Trump, was all in on Israe; as were Biden and Harris.

They made a choice that every American has every right make when they can not in good conscience vote for any politician. I begrudge no one abiding by their own conscience for moral reasons.

I also know whose hands the blood belong and it sure as the fuck isn't Americans warn them were ignored and made the choice to not for for people who supported the ban slaughtering their families.

[SocialDemocrat61]

17. They made a choice not to stop Trump

and should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

[Autumn]

19. It was not on them to stop Trump. That was on the SC, the courts, the Repiglicans and judges

Lest you forget Garland who finally admitted he should have moved things a little faster I will add him also.

Enjoy deflecting blame and sowing division I'm done. Have a nice time.

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. It's on everyone to stop evil

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They had a choice to stop Trump or not. They chose not to. I’m not deflecting blame. They all have a share of responsibility.

And I never thought that supporting democrats on a website dedicated to supporting democrats sows division. .

[Autumn]

27. America made a choice to help Netanyahu slaughter their families and loved ones. We can do this all day

but I'm not wasting my time.

[SocialDemocrat61]

29. Yet you're still replying

But if Palestine was the reason in 24, what was the reason in 16. What was in 2000? There always seems to be a purity test used to demonize democrats.

[AloeVera]

28. Others made a choice not to stop Israel from slaughtering the people of Gaza like animals.

And should take responsibility for their actions and consequences.

Far easier to blame the people who couldn't stomach the slaughter, I guess. I also guess that the deflection and blame-shiting helps to ease the conscience somewhat. Looking in the mirror is sometimes hard.

[SocialDemocrat61]

30. My op blamed

Everyone who didn't support Harris, Biden and Clinton which includes Trump voters. Why are you focusing on one group? And are things better for Palestinians now under Trump? What about for immigrants?

And what was the reason for not supporting Clinton in 16?

[AloeVera]

32. Nice try. N/T.

[SocialDemocrat61]

33. So no answers to the questions

OK Here are some more. Was it worth the life of Renee Nicole Good for some to make a protest vote against a policy that Harris as Vice President had no control over? Was it worth the disruption of the lives of all the people targeted by ICE over the last year? Have thing gotten better or worse for Palestinians in Gaza as a result of their protest votes? Why is it so objectionable for support democrats on a site dedicated to supporting democrats?

[AloeVera]

36. Oh. MY.God.

Bye.

[SocialDemocrat61]

37. Have a nice day!

[questionseverything]

61. You know anyone that debates you on this will get a hide

I do not understand why you are always bringing up old stuff and how you get by with it

It’s supposed to be against the rules to harp on past primaries because it divides us and costs us democratic support

[SocialDemocrat61]

70. What primary?

I haven’t brought up a past primary. I’m referring to elections where democrats ran against Trump, a republican.

And do you really think it’s divisive to advocate support for democrats against republicans? Why is regretting that democrats lost two elections to Trump offensive?

[electric_blue68]

24. It was possible that at some point Kamala migh have changed her position some...

An intelligent , compassionate woman of color.
You'd get no damn chance with trump!

Those who stayed home, or oy voted only State and local were little wheels in the bigger machinery that gave drumphf his victory.

[W_HAMILTON]

22. Their actions resulted in even more death and destruction.

Gaza as we once knew it is gone forever and those that once lived there are now doomed to be forever-refugees.

The ill advised people are those that attacked Kamala from the left, thinking they were somehow helping the Palestinian people...

...how fucking dumb they were.

Republicans thank them for their service.

They couldn't have done it without them -- literally.

[mcar]

41. How's that working out for them?

[PeaceWave]

44. "Kamala was warned?" Threats are not the currency of our Democracy.

[betsuni]

59. Sounds like punishing Democrats by making them lose an election is some sort of weird revenge fantasy.

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Did they think Harris had to go work at the Hot Wing & Burger Barn and be poor and miserable, that she only ran for president for personal gain, like Trump?

It's like taking yourself hostage and then shooting yourself when your demands can't be met. Or they have been met as far as they can but you don't really trust them or find another excuse and shoot yourself.

[haele]

13. A few who stayed home probably couldn't vote...

But if you're registered to vote, voting in a two party system is like having a choice between which person you choose to drive you the long way home late at night.
In 2024, the choice was a flashy car driven by the glad-handing, lying drunk, or a boring reliable car driven by someone sober with FM radio on a channel you might not like.
If you voted third party or decided to stay home, you still didn't choose the sober driver.
You ended up with the glad-handing drunk.
And that's the problem with a bicameral, winner takes all system instead of a parliamentary system.

[SocialDemocrat61]

25. 80 million registered voters stayed home

Don’t know what their reasons were some may have been ill but not all.

[haele]

65. The way to change the system we have always lay with our Representatives.

The last time this country had enough third party influence to change politics was in the 1850's.
Unless there's a huge fragmentation in both political parties rather than a consolidation of money and lobbyist propaganda in both parties, we aren't going to be looking at anything close to coalition governments and a better representation of the general public.
Ya, the problem with US politics is the prevalence of Money for money's sake and the Calvinist Prosperity Gospel that goes along with that.

[W_HAMILTON]

21. Voted for who? Jill Stein?

If so, FUCK THEM.

[SocialDemocrat61]

23. My OP said anyone

who didn’t support Harris, Biden and Clinton. That could be republicans who voted for Trump as well as Stein voters. Yet someone was triggered and incorrectly assumed I was only referring to third party voters.

[leftstreet]

7. Clinton won the popular vote

So...it's on the Electoral College I guess

[Autumn]

16. It's all good the EC will never be blamed. The wrong color I guess.

[QueerDuck]

18. Especially the "Vote undecided" and the "leave it blank" advocates.

Unforgivable.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. that certainly takes a lot of responsibility off all the Democrats who supported the Laken Riley act

[SocialDemocrat61]

35. Which was signed into law by Trump

Imagine of some got off their high horses to come out and vote for Harris and other democrats.

[betsuni]

38. Anyone feeling touchy and defensive by this... Please don't do it again. Democrats aren't the enemy. Don't fall for it.

[SocialDemocrat61]

50. Interesting that a statement about supporting democrats

triggered some. Shouldn’t be controversial at all.

[Sympthsical]

39. This is why we can't have nice unity

Because whenever a moment like this one comes, where we are united across the board on an issue, someone gets bored and decides, "Wouldn't it be fun if I threw a bomb to get people arguing with each other? Wheee!"

It's unserious.

[SocialDemocrat61]

45. So advocating for supporting democrats

on a site dedicated to supporting democrats is throwing a bomb?

And my post said anyone which would include those who voted for Trump. So a comment about Trump voters being responsible is objectionable?

[Sympthsical]

47. Does this tactic work anywhere else?

I'm genuinely curious. That there is somewhere in life where people who start drama and then do the "Who, me?!" routine find it effective.

Outside of reality shows.

And even there, the audience is wise to it.

[SocialDemocrat61]

49. Tactic?

I’m just being honest. What is so objectionable about supporting democrats? Why should there be any drama making a statement supporting democrats in a forum for supporting democrats?

My OP said

Anyone who didn't 100% support
Kamala Harris, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton are responsible for today’s murder. That woman’s blood is on your hands.

Is there a new definition of ‘anyone’ that I’m unaware of?

[Sympthsical]

56. "Who, me?!" part deux

Well, that's that then.

Anyway. Television doesn't watch itself. Important work to be done.

[SocialDemocrat61]

57. Have a nice day!

🙂

[betsuni]

64. Rule: Democratic supporters on a forum for supporters of Democrats are the divisive ones. ("Posse" is the new "swarm.")

Those wanting to primary, replace, take over the party are "the base."

Those are the rules here in Opposite World. It's nutty!

[SocialDemocrat61]

71. I really never thought

that advocating support for democrats who ran against Trump would be considered by some divisive. What is the point of this site if not to support democrats?

[leftstreet]

48. +1

[Initech]

40. I did! Fuck Trump!

[pwb]

43. I don't see it that way.

Seems like a broad brush stretch to Judge anyone who did not vote as a murderer. We live with results of elections. This statement smells like what pukes say to divide us.

[SocialDemocrat61]

46. So we can't judge Trump voters?

You find that objectionable?

[W_HAMILTON]

53. We know the tactics that "pukes," Russians, etc. have used to divide us and it ain't by wholeheartedly supporting Dems.

They do all they can to ensure that DOESN'T happen.

[JustAnotherGen]

51. That includes George Clooney

[SocialDemocrat61]

72. Don't worry about George

I read he and his wife now have French citizenship.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

52. Neither Obama nor Biden led the repeal of I.C.E.

It wasn't in Hillary's or Kamala's platform, either. Ergo, I.C.E. is bipartisan, innit?

Progressives, the DSA and the WFP did call for it at various times, but were rebuffed.

[W_HAMILTON]

54. Thinking this shit would be happening if Kamala were president was the exact type of idiocy the OP was talking about.

And ICE could have been abolished and it would have just been brought back when Republicans were allowed to have full control of our federal government, in part, by some of those on the left that refused to support damn good Democrats that were CLEARLY the better option with Trump on the ballot.

[SocialDemocrat61]

55. So?

Do you think any democrat would have deployed as aggressively as Trump?
Is there no difference between Trump and any democrat?

[leftstreet]

66. Oh come on!

Last summer 75 House Democrats voted to praise and "express gratitude" for ICE (HRes488)

Are any of them regretting THEIR vote?

[SocialDemocrat61]

68. Probably

But this all goes back to Trump getting elected

Why is regretting that objectionable?

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

67. They might have deployed so if there were "bipartisan support."

FoxNews would have had to do lots of cooking, together with a couple fortuitous media acquisitions among other "providers" (which have actually happened since most of the aforementioned Democratic Presidential contenders) to tell the voting public what it thinks. Big money donors probably would have had to work their politicians. But yeah, I can see a situation where it "coulda." Sure, didn't happen to a white mom then, but it was possible. Allowing an armed group that kind of autonomy was bound to find this result.

BTW, I remember Democrats who supported the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Vietnam too, for that matter. LBJ appointed Hoover director of the FBI for life. It's not just Republicans. All kinds of nefarious shit can be laid at the feet of all two parties. Most recently Fetterman just came out supporting the acquisition of Greenland.*

One needs to be selective if one chooses to vote (or not). But mostly a blame game is worthless. What happened happened, it is what it is. Now what? Will the next Democrat eliminate I.C.E.? Will "blue voters" even think to demand it?
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*see: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220920551

[SocialDemocrat61]

69. So you think a democratic president

such as Biden or Harris would have deployed ICE like this?

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

73. I refer you to

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220922105

We'll never know what Kamala would have done, since she lost. Biden we know didn't do like Trump 2.0, just continued on from Trump 1.0.

I expect politicians to do what they see as needed to get elected. The MAGAt media verse has stoked up xenophobia to a fever pitch. The blues don't have any discernible or specific immigration policy, which leaves individuals to do pretty much anything. You can't be expelled for violating party guidelines when there aren't any, not that the blues expel anyone for much of anything short of felonies, and even then. That leaves a vast array of possibilities open to the eager opportunist to come along.

I'm old enough to remember a whole wing of segregationist Democrats, who were at least as despicable as Trump. It's what got them elected, whether they really believed it or not.

[SocialDemocrat61]

74. That link. doesn't prove your point

declining to answer a question about funding in a hypothetical future congress is not the same thing as deployment.

Do you think there is any difference between democrats and Republicans?

[BlueTsunami2018]

60. Yep 77 million fascist enablers voted for that asshole.

And they’re gloating over this murder.