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(4,740 posts)Car was already clear of those bastards.
I understand that they got out of there immediately.
Melon
(1,103 posts)But it looks like he was in front when the wheels spin forward spins. The entire thing took only 1 or 2 seconds real time. Im looking for different angles. They need to release cop cams.
Attilatheblond
(8,317 posts)Did I hear Noem correctly? She said he had recently been in a similar situation with someone 'trying to run him down' so he reacted quickly? I have the video of her pressers saved and will listen again.
If what she said is true, that the shooter was already recently threatened by a similar situation, it looks like he has a plan aiming for a big lawsuit and early retirement. Did he try that again? Looks like it. There ARE people who step in the paths of cars in hopes of getting big bucks. Drivers of cars cannot defy laws of physics, it's easier to stay out of the way than it is to stop a car on a dime. He stepped TOWARDS the front left fender; the vehicle was veering away from where he was standing when he pulled that gun.
Also, Noem said the ICE officers had been harassed by those people all day. WTAF? All day? This happened while kids were being dropped off at school, which if memory serves, is early in the day. All DAY? That lying B is doing propaganda on the fly. She's faster than a FAUX news talker. And since she started immediately shooting her mouth off before facts and time to think, she will never back down, making her a menace to society.
Also, she spend the people's money in ways that would have made Marie Antoinette blush. But loves to point to others and yell 'FRAUD!'
sboatcar
(704 posts)From the protests I saw this morning, they don't head out from the federal building until about 9.
MarineCombatEngineer
(17,755 posts)tells me he's lying about being about facts.
Typical MAGAt, blame the victim, who, BTW, can't refute what this MAGAt is saying because..SHE's FUCKING DEAD AT THE HANDS OF A TERRORIST ORG.
Melon
(1,103 posts)Or maybe because its slowed down. The angle makes it appear the cop is in front when the wheels spin forward. Im off to see if I can find this longer slowed down.
Ms. Toad
(38,311 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)
but unfortunately, it appears the car made contact with the thug. And looking at this slowed down version compared to that one, while I don't see the contact - I do see the bounce-back I can see in the other video.
Around 24-26 seconds in: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/minneapolis-woman-fatally-shot-by-ice-witness-video-digvid
Melon
(1,103 posts)A. Watch the agents feet. They are slipping on the ice which I thought was debunked. Thats clearly ice on the road probably making it more difficult to maneuver.
B. At the least he is in front if the car when the wheels spin forward. Possibly hit or at least grazed by the car. He only needs to fear for imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm. A car is classified as a deadly weapon legally if used as such.
OC375
(454 posts)In the SLOWED DOWN video it's about 5 seconds from when the tires start to spin going forward toward the officer, until the officer commits to shooting and sliding sideways to his right. I have no idea how much that 5 seconds reduces to in the actual speed video, but I can tell you I'd have been plain hit by the truck (no shots fired) because I just can't can't process that fast and translate it into movement. Then again, I'm not a 20-50 year old claiming to be fit for uniformed enforcement duties either. However, even if the first shot is ultimately ruled as justified, I don't know how he can justify shots 2 and 3 as the vehicle passes by.
Melon
(1,103 posts)So
real 1.5 seconds I think. 5 * .3 =1.5
Very quick.
Ms. Toad
(38,311 posts)but before I headed out I had watched two videos (neither from this perspective). I heard the FBI agent talking about the video on the drive there - but didn't have the visual to look at at the time, so I thought he was just blowing smoke.
But when I was going back through things this evening I ran across the visual I couldn't see in the car.
I hope it's still just blowing smoke - and even worst case scenario - the shooting was unwarranted from a moral standpoint. But it makes it more troublesome from a legal perspective.
sboatcar
(704 posts)Like it was starting to turn away, he leaned against the hood to stabilize himself, then started shooting and jumped back when, after he shot her in the face, her foot went on the gas.
dflprincess
(29,181 posts)Greg_In_SF
(888 posts)He is in front of the vehicle when the wheels are pointed straight and begin to move.
dflprincess
(29,181 posts)and the wheel does turn to the right, while he goes to the left.
In a longer video Lawrence O'Donnell just ran, you can also see that he is having no problem walking up & down the street after he was supposedly injured.
Greg_In_SF
(888 posts)for a second that he was not injured. I'm not talking about that at all.
He had already committed to the shoot before she began to turn right. I'm watching his upper body as he draws his weapon, as the vehicle began moving forward.
Melon
(1,103 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,311 posts)The frame in which he is described as his feet having cleared the path of the tires - if you watch his body and feet, the top of his body falls forward, and his feet slip backwards on the ice.
Here's a different perspective: Around 57 seconds in: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/minneapolis-woman-fatally-shot-by-ice-witness-video-digvid
AZJonnie
(2,839 posts)So he can shoot her in the face. The first shot was MAAAAYBE, maybe justifiable, but only because he was doing something a trained officer would never even do. The two shots after he was completely clear, through the side window? NO f***ing way that's legal. If this guy fired the first shot only, he *might* have legal ground to stand on. The fact he continued firing after clearly no longer being in danger? This was murder, IMHO. ESPECIALLY if forensics determines the shots from the side of the vehicle were the one(s) that killed her.
There's also the fact that when you're THAT close and someone drives towards you, you cannot possibly stop them from hitting you if that's what they're trying to do (which she was obviously not) by shooting them.
Plus, agents aren't supposed to shoot people in cars when there's an available path to get themselves out of the way. If this fucker hadn't decided he was going to shoot, which required getting his gun out, which would obviously slow him down, he easily could have. Ergo, if he did get a little glancing boo-boo, it's because he was more dedicated to shooting her than getting out of the way.
There's also the fact that he was clearly not injured significantly as he's on video walking around immediately afterwards, with no limp.
I also won't be the least bit surprised if it doesn't turn out this a particularly right-wing asshole who's been talking about hoping to shoot a 'protester' for a long time.
I also won't be surprised if he's been in trouble before for discharging his weapon and hurting or killing someone under very questionable circumstances.
IMHO this guy murdered her out of anger she was trying to get away. In fact, I'd not be surprised if one of the agents that was on the passengers side of the car (who was already there before the 'get the fuck of the car' crew descending upon her) told her she should leave, and the shooter took that as a cue to go stand in front of the car so he could shoot her in the face when she did.
Prairie Gates
(7,212 posts)"if you take a protractor and measure the cosine of the feet blah blah blah.'
Stop shooting into cars you fucking animals.
Kingofalldems
(40,051 posts)Pretty sad.
Kingofalldems
(40,051 posts)WTF is this anyway?
Kingofalldems
(40,051 posts)tblue37
(68,198 posts)but the video helps us to see how unjustified the shooting was.
Johonny
(25,502 posts)The rules state if the officer can disengage without deadly force, which he clearly does, then deadly force isn't justified. He isn't suppose to shoot a car, just because it is running away.
Cops deal.with fleeing suspects all the time. Rarely do they use deadly force. The agent was clearly poorly trained. ICE is sending poorly trained men into situation and causing deaths. This should be a national scandal that take Kristi Noem down. We are paying billions and these men wouldn't pass basic law enforcement tactical tests.
Jedi Guy
(3,424 posts)For instance, the department I worked for as a dispatcher wouldn't engage in a vehicle pursuit unless a weapon was involved. So if someone yanks a driver out of their car and then steals it, that alone wouldn't be enough to initiate a pursuit. If they'd used a weapon to force the driver out, though, then they'd actively pursue.
Insofar as a fleeing suspect is concerned, there's a SCOTUS ruling from many years ago that says officers can use deadly force on a fleeing suspect if they have reason to believe the person poses a threat to public safety. So if they're chasing someone who just popped off shots they can absolutely shoot even if the suspect is running from them and their back is turned.
In this case the victim hadn't done anything to justify the use of deadly force. I suspect she saw masked men converging on her car, panicked, and tried to drive away. At the very most the agents could have gone back to their vehicles and attempted a traffic stop.
I haven't seen the slowed down video referred to upthread but if it's true that the agent was in front of the car and it made contact with him that might be sufficient to give him legal justification to shoot. I saw a video yesterday from a different angle and it looked to me like he was to the left of the car when it moved forward rather than directly in front of it and it didn't look like it made contact with him.
Even if the car made contact with him it's still incredibly flimsy, in my opinion. Unfortunately, legal and moral aren't always the same thing. This didn't have to end with a woman being shot and killed.
Boo1
(149 posts)Is if there was such a clear threat....why didnt any of the other agents even reach for a weapon?
Three other agents standing near that SUV and none of them looked to be in fear of lives.
Melon
(1,103 posts)One officer ducks at the shots. They clearly arent prepared for the shooting.
unblock
(55,932 posts)Never mind that shooting a driver of a car headed your way is a stupidly ineffective form of "defense" as it in no makes you safer. The car isn't going to stop, you still have to get out of the way. That whole narrative is stupid as hell.
He shot her because of a single momentary act of perceived uncooperativeness.
I guess white lives don't matter either.
ScratchCat
(2,688 posts)Not that it really matters. He had plenty of time to step out of the way of the vehicle. But he clearly drew when the driver shifted into drive.
unblock
(55,932 posts)He's obscured for a few frames after the car began moving forward, then when in view the gun is already slightly out of its holster.
So maybe you're right that the gun was still in place a few frames earlier, but then he had superhuman reaction time if he was pulling based on the forward movement.
EarlG
(23,380 posts)Was there a reason to have a firearm out and pointed at the driver in that situation?
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/can-ice-agents-shoot-moving-vehicles-yes-no
In the amount of time it took him to pull out his weapon, he could have simply stepped to one side and easily avoided the car, which would have been a much more reasonable means of defending himself.
It appears from the videos I've seen that he drew his gun in an effort to stop the vehicle from leaving, not because he thought his life was in danger. Then once the car started moving he fired the gun instead of stepping out of the way. Plus, the second and third shots were through the driver's side window, at which point the officer's life was clearly not in danger. Those last two shots were purely to kill the driver, not for any other reason.
Historic NY
(39,668 posts)Clearly visible is a bullet hole through the windshield, but also one though the side view mirror which does protrude from the vehicle.
I think the NY Times has the best video
Kingofalldems
(40,051 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,633 posts)Response to tblue37 (Original post)
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