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zoomed in slowed down version of ICE shooting (2nd tweet) (Original Post) tblue37 Wednesday OP
Bastard was clear of the car before shooting. Klarkashton Wednesday #1
I agree. He had cleared Melon Wednesday #4
He had time to step back even further, but went towards the front of the car, gun blazing. Attilatheblond Thursday #27
It was also like 10am sboatcar Thursday #31
Just the fact that he's calling himself The Facts Dude MarineCombatEngineer Wednesday #2
This angle is a completely different perspective Melon Wednesday #3
There's one from the front perspective - from quite a distance Ms. Toad Wednesday #6
That's no5 good. Two aspects Melon Wednesday #11
About 5 seconds? OC375 Wednesday #19
Found this online. It says .3X speed Melon Thursday #21
I was at the doctor part of the afternoon - Ms. Toad Wednesday #20
He leaned into the car as far as I can tell sboatcar Thursday #32
Also a frame by frame video at this Facebook link: dflprincess Wednesday #5
That doesn't look good Greg_In_SF Wednesday #7
Watch his feet dflprincess Wednesday #8
Oh, I don't doubt Greg_In_SF Wednesday #10
If the car is starting forward. Wheels spin. That's only a few seconds until it's over. Melon Wednesday #12
Watch his feet - Ms. Toad Wednesday #9
To me it looks like this asshat purposefully stepped in front of the car hoping she tries to drive away AZJonnie Thursday #23
Looks like the usual cop-humping trashbags will be defending this shit Prairie Gates Wednesday #13
A couple in this thread. Kingofalldems Thursday #25
The Facts Dude, whom you sourced, seems to be a right wing racist. Kingofalldems Wednesday #14
Also Colin Rugg is a right winger. Kingofalldems Wednesday #15
I am posting for the video, which is zoomed in & slowed down. I knew nothing about the person who posted it, tblue37 Wednesday #17
Actually facts dude is wrong Johonny Wednesday #16
Police departments often have slightly different use of force rules. Jedi Guy Thursday #24
The question that they will have to answer Boo1 Wednesday #18
Maybe because it literally took just seconds. Melon Thursday #22
He's reaching for his gun before the car is even moving forward. unblock Thursday #26
He drew when she shifted from reverse to drive ScratchCat Thursday #28
I guess we don't have a clear view at that moment. unblock Thursday #35
My question is why did the officer draw his gun in the first place? EarlG Thursday #29
Its a wonder his shot didn't hit the other guy Historic NY Thursday #30
Here you go from the NY Times--not some MAGAt: Kingofalldems Thursday #33
That is the best compilation and assessment I've seen. TY for posting this. n/t Whiskeytide Thursday #36
This message was self-deleted by its author unblock Thursday #34

Klarkashton

(4,740 posts)
1. Bastard was clear of the car before shooting.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:01 PM
Wednesday

Car was already clear of those bastards.

I understand that they got out of there immediately.

Melon

(1,103 posts)
4. I agree. He had cleared
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:08 PM
Wednesday

But it looks like he was in front when the wheels spin forward spins. The entire thing took only 1 or 2 seconds real time. I’m looking for different angles. They need to release cop cams.

Attilatheblond

(8,317 posts)
27. He had time to step back even further, but went towards the front of the car, gun blazing.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:59 AM
Thursday

Did I hear Noem correctly? She said he had recently been in a similar situation with someone 'trying to run him down' so he reacted quickly? I have the video of her pressers saved and will listen again.

If what she said is true, that the shooter was already recently threatened by a similar situation, it looks like he has a plan aiming for a big lawsuit and early retirement. Did he try that again? Looks like it. There ARE people who step in the paths of cars in hopes of getting big bucks. Drivers of cars cannot defy laws of physics, it's easier to stay out of the way than it is to stop a car on a dime. He stepped TOWARDS the front left fender; the vehicle was veering away from where he was standing when he pulled that gun.

Also, Noem said the ICE officers had been harassed by those people all day. WTAF? All day? This happened while kids were being dropped off at school, which if memory serves, is early in the day. All DAY? That lying B is doing propaganda on the fly. She's faster than a FAUX news talker. And since she started immediately shooting her mouth off before facts and time to think, she will never back down, making her a menace to society.

Also, she spend the people's money in ways that would have made Marie Antoinette blush. But loves to point to others and yell 'FRAUD!'

sboatcar

(704 posts)
31. It was also like 10am
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:23 AM
Thursday

From the protests I saw this morning, they don't head out from the federal building until about 9.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,755 posts)
2. Just the fact that he's calling himself The Facts Dude
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:05 PM
Wednesday

tells me he's lying about being about facts.
Typical MAGAt, blame the victim, who, BTW, can't refute what this MAGAt is saying because..SHE's FUCKING DEAD AT THE HANDS OF A TERRORIST ORG.

Melon

(1,103 posts)
3. This angle is a completely different perspective
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:06 PM
Wednesday

Or maybe because it’s slowed down. The angle makes it appear the cop is in front when the wheels spin forward. I’m off to see if I can find this longer slowed down.

Ms. Toad

(38,311 posts)
6. There's one from the front perspective - from quite a distance
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:17 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)

but unfortunately, it appears the car made contact with the thug. And looking at this slowed down version compared to that one, while I don't see the contact - I do see the bounce-back I can see in the other video.

Around 24-26 seconds in: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/minneapolis-woman-fatally-shot-by-ice-witness-video-digvid

Melon

(1,103 posts)
11. That's no5 good. Two aspects
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:40 PM
Wednesday

A. Watch the agents feet. They are slipping on the ice which I thought was debunked. That’s clearly ice on the road probably making it more difficult to maneuver.
B. At the least he is in front if the car when the wheels spin forward. Possibly hit or at least grazed by the car. He only needs to fear for imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm. A car is classified as a deadly weapon legally if used as such.

OC375

(454 posts)
19. About 5 seconds?
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:04 PM
Wednesday

In the SLOWED DOWN video it's about 5 seconds from when the tires start to spin going forward toward the officer, until the officer commits to shooting and sliding sideways to his right. I have no idea how much that 5 seconds reduces to in the actual speed video, but I can tell you I'd have been plain hit by the truck (no shots fired) because I just can't can't process that fast and translate it into movement. Then again, I'm not a 20-50 year old claiming to be fit for uniformed enforcement duties either. However, even if the first shot is ultimately ruled as justified, I don't know how he can justify shots 2 and 3 as the vehicle passes by.

Melon

(1,103 posts)
21. Found this online. It says .3X speed
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 12:42 AM
Thursday

So…real 1.5 seconds I think. 5 * .3 =1.5
Very quick.

Ms. Toad

(38,311 posts)
20. I was at the doctor part of the afternoon -
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:20 PM
Wednesday

but before I headed out I had watched two videos (neither from this perspective). I heard the FBI agent talking about the video on the drive there - but didn't have the visual to look at at the time, so I thought he was just blowing smoke.

But when I was going back through things this evening I ran across the visual I couldn't see in the car.

I hope it's still just blowing smoke - and even worst case scenario - the shooting was unwarranted from a moral standpoint. But it makes it more troublesome from a legal perspective.

sboatcar

(704 posts)
32. He leaned into the car as far as I can tell
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:31 AM
Thursday

Like it was starting to turn away, he leaned against the hood to stabilize himself, then started shooting and jumped back when, after he shot her in the face, her foot went on the gas.

Greg_In_SF

(888 posts)
7. That doesn't look good
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:18 PM
Wednesday

He is in front of the vehicle when the wheels are pointed straight and begin to move.

dflprincess

(29,181 posts)
8. Watch his feet
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:20 PM
Wednesday

and the wheel does turn to the right, while he goes to the left.

In a longer video Lawrence O'Donnell just ran, you can also see that he is having no problem walking up & down the street after he was supposedly injured.

Greg_In_SF

(888 posts)
10. Oh, I don't doubt
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:31 PM
Wednesday

for a second that he was not injured. I'm not talking about that at all.

He had already committed to the shoot before she began to turn right. I'm watching his upper body as he draws his weapon, as the vehicle began moving forward.

Melon

(1,103 posts)
12. If the car is starting forward. Wheels spin. That's only a few seconds until it's over.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:41 PM
Wednesday

Ms. Toad

(38,311 posts)
9. Watch his feet -
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:22 PM
Wednesday

The frame in which he is described as his feet having cleared the path of the tires - if you watch his body and feet, the top of his body falls forward, and his feet slip backwards on the ice.

Here's a different perspective: Around 57 seconds in: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/minneapolis-woman-fatally-shot-by-ice-witness-video-digvid

AZJonnie

(2,839 posts)
23. To me it looks like this asshat purposefully stepped in front of the car hoping she tries to drive away
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:16 AM
Thursday

So he can shoot her in the face. The first shot was MAAAAYBE, maybe justifiable, but only because he was doing something a trained officer would never even do. The two shots after he was completely clear, through the side window? NO f***ing way that's legal. If this guy fired the first shot only, he *might* have legal ground to stand on. The fact he continued firing after clearly no longer being in danger? This was murder, IMHO. ESPECIALLY if forensics determines the shots from the side of the vehicle were the one(s) that killed her.

There's also the fact that when you're THAT close and someone drives towards you, you cannot possibly stop them from hitting you if that's what they're trying to do (which she was obviously not) by shooting them.

Plus, agents aren't supposed to shoot people in cars when there's an available path to get themselves out of the way. If this fucker hadn't decided he was going to shoot, which required getting his gun out, which would obviously slow him down, he easily could have. Ergo, if he did get a little glancing boo-boo, it's because he was more dedicated to shooting her than getting out of the way.

There's also the fact that he was clearly not injured significantly as he's on video walking around immediately afterwards, with no limp.

I also won't be the least bit surprised if it doesn't turn out this a particularly right-wing asshole who's been talking about hoping to shoot a 'protester' for a long time.

I also won't be surprised if he's been in trouble before for discharging his weapon and hurting or killing someone under very questionable circumstances.

IMHO this guy murdered her out of anger she was trying to get away. In fact, I'd not be surprised if one of the agents that was on the passengers side of the car (who was already there before the 'get the fuck of the car' crew descending upon her) told her she should leave, and the shooter took that as a cue to go stand in front of the car so he could shoot her in the face when she did.

Prairie Gates

(7,212 posts)
13. Looks like the usual cop-humping trashbags will be defending this shit
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:42 PM
Wednesday

"if you take a protractor and measure the cosine of the feet blah blah blah.'

Stop shooting into cars you fucking animals.

tblue37

(68,198 posts)
17. I am posting for the video, which is zoomed in & slowed down. I knew nothing about the person who posted it,
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:55 PM
Wednesday

but the video helps us to see how unjustified the shooting was.

Johonny

(25,502 posts)
16. Actually facts dude is wrong
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:49 PM
Wednesday

The rules state if the officer can disengage without deadly force, which he clearly does, then deadly force isn't justified. He isn't suppose to shoot a car, just because it is running away.

Cops deal.with fleeing suspects all the time. Rarely do they use deadly force. The agent was clearly poorly trained. ICE is sending poorly trained men into situation and causing deaths. This should be a national scandal that take Kristi Noem down. We are paying billions and these men wouldn't pass basic law enforcement tactical tests.

Jedi Guy

(3,424 posts)
24. Police departments often have slightly different use of force rules.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:53 AM
Thursday

For instance, the department I worked for as a dispatcher wouldn't engage in a vehicle pursuit unless a weapon was involved. So if someone yanks a driver out of their car and then steals it, that alone wouldn't be enough to initiate a pursuit. If they'd used a weapon to force the driver out, though, then they'd actively pursue.

Insofar as a fleeing suspect is concerned, there's a SCOTUS ruling from many years ago that says officers can use deadly force on a fleeing suspect if they have reason to believe the person poses a threat to public safety. So if they're chasing someone who just popped off shots they can absolutely shoot even if the suspect is running from them and their back is turned.

In this case the victim hadn't done anything to justify the use of deadly force. I suspect she saw masked men converging on her car, panicked, and tried to drive away. At the very most the agents could have gone back to their vehicles and attempted a traffic stop.

I haven't seen the slowed down video referred to upthread but if it's true that the agent was in front of the car and it made contact with him that might be sufficient to give him legal justification to shoot. I saw a video yesterday from a different angle and it looked to me like he was to the left of the car when it moved forward rather than directly in front of it and it didn't look like it made contact with him.

Even if the car made contact with him it's still incredibly flimsy, in my opinion. Unfortunately, legal and moral aren't always the same thing. This didn't have to end with a woman being shot and killed.

Boo1

(149 posts)
18. The question that they will have to answer
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:04 PM
Wednesday

Is if there was such a clear threat....why didnt any of the other agents even reach for a weapon?

Three other agents standing near that SUV and none of them looked to be in fear of lives.

Melon

(1,103 posts)
22. Maybe because it literally took just seconds.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 12:43 AM
Thursday

One officer ducks at the shots. They clearly aren’t prepared for the shooting.

unblock

(55,932 posts)
26. He's reaching for his gun before the car is even moving forward.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:58 AM
Thursday

Never mind that shooting a driver of a car headed your way is a stupidly ineffective form of "defense" as it in no makes you safer. The car isn't going to stop, you still have to get out of the way. That whole narrative is stupid as hell.

He shot her because of a single momentary act of perceived uncooperativeness.

I guess white lives don't matter either.

ScratchCat

(2,688 posts)
28. He drew when she shifted from reverse to drive
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:01 AM
Thursday

Not that it really matters. He had plenty of time to step out of the way of the vehicle. But he clearly drew when the driver shifted into drive.

unblock

(55,932 posts)
35. I guess we don't have a clear view at that moment.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:51 AM
Thursday

He's obscured for a few frames after the car began moving forward, then when in view the gun is already slightly out of its holster.

So maybe you're right that the gun was still in place a few frames earlier, but then he had superhuman reaction time if he was pulling based on the forward movement.

EarlG

(23,380 posts)
29. My question is why did the officer draw his gun in the first place?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:05 AM
Thursday

Was there a reason to have a firearm out and pointed at the driver in that situation?

DHS policy "generally" prohibits ICE agents from discharging firearms for the purpose of disabling a moving vehicle. However, the policy includes an exception for when the subject in a moving vehicle is "threatening deadly force" with the vehicle or by other means. This exception states agents should only discharge their firearm when "no other objectively reasonable means of defense is available."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/can-ice-agents-shoot-moving-vehicles-yes-no

In the amount of time it took him to pull out his weapon, he could have simply stepped to one side and easily avoided the car, which would have been a much more reasonable means of defending himself.

It appears from the videos I've seen that he drew his gun in an effort to stop the vehicle from leaving, not because he thought his life was in danger. Then once the car started moving he fired the gun instead of stepping out of the way. Plus, the second and third shots were through the driver's side window, at which point the officer's life was clearly not in danger. Those last two shots were purely to kill the driver, not for any other reason.

Historic NY

(39,668 posts)
30. Its a wonder his shot didn't hit the other guy
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:15 AM
Thursday

Clearly visible is a bullet hole through the windshield, but also one though the side view mirror which does protrude from the vehicle.

I think the NY Times has the best video

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