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KentuckyWoman

(7,374 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:33 AM Yesterday

I met a retired career ICE /CBP agent today

He retired in 2010 by aging out and works for local county jail now. He helps run a self defense course for old ladies. Which is how I met him.

We talked about the current state of affairs with ICE, and he clearly disapproves, though careful about what he said. But here are my take aways. - Anecdotal though they may be - this is a man who has spent the better part of 40 years in law enforcement and 21 of in with the feds.

The reason HHS is hiring so many agents isn't to get more done. It's to replace agents who quit or retired rather than work under DJT. The agency has pulled staff from other places, including detention centers to be in the field. Often not properly trained for field work.

Career field agents have an unfortunate tendency to try to show off for new recruits or facility staff.

Social media is buried in stories of the bad actors in ICE - and law enforcement generally - but the vast majority of encounters are peaceful, respectful and humane.

Conditions at detention facilities were pretty bad due to overcrowding when he retired, but there were some improvements thanks to the additional facilities opened under Biden. He doesn't know what it is like now, probably not good due to understaffing.

Border encounters are going down but that is probably because DJT has pulled the focus from the border to the interior. With less agents "at the wall" and at crossings, the potential is higher for new illegal entries. He made clear that is his personal opinion because "that wall is not nor ever was secure". He said during his time at the border, officers were more concerned with rendering aid to hot dehydrated people, than capturing desperados for social media likes.

We did not specifically talk about the shooting. But he sort of danced around it. He mentioned de-escalating situations repeatedly.

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I met a retired career ICE /CBP agent today (Original Post) KentuckyWoman Yesterday OP
I can believe NJCher Yesterday #1
Apparently KentuckyWoman Yesterday #3
Perspective NJCher Yesterday #2
How long before we find out ICE is now hiring undocumented workers. That's usually how these things work. multigraincracker Yesterday #4
2010 was a lifetime ago quakerboy Yesterday #5
Point taken KentuckyWoman 20 hrs ago #6
Im sorry. This is why we are losing quakerboy 18 hrs ago #7
You might be right. Probably are. KentuckyWoman 9 hrs ago #8
it is hard to see that quakerboy 7 hrs ago #9

NJCher

(42,512 posts)
1. I can believe
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:46 AM
Yesterday

ICE is having trouble getting people to fill jobs, thus the signing bonus of $50k.

Tonight Chris Hayes announced on his show that 92% of people they are holding in their detention centers have NO criminal background.

Talk about a hoax. I said it from the time trump told how he was going to kick immigrants out of the country that this would be nothing more than a method for funneling our tax dollars to him and his chronies.

Turns out it has the added advantage to him of being a de facto Gestapo police.

KentuckyWoman

(7,374 posts)
3. Apparently
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:51 AM
Yesterday

about 8% of those in detention are American Citizens who are struggling to prove their identity and citizenship - partly because understaffing at detention facilities is creating so many communication problems. A wild guess on my part, but I'd guess another 20% have some sort of legal status that was either revoked or contested. In other words they aren't "illegal" (as if any human being is illegal).

multigraincracker

(37,017 posts)
4. How long before we find out ICE is now hiring undocumented workers. That's usually how these things work.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 04:49 AM
Yesterday

quakerboy

(14,724 posts)
5. 2010 was a lifetime ago
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 05:15 AM
Yesterday

Its not what it was. It is now a private army with personal loyalty to Trump. That is it, that is all. If it is not completely disbanded as an agency by any and every means available, this country is never going to recover.

KentuckyWoman

(7,374 posts)
6. Point taken
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 01:22 PM
20 hrs ago

I don't believe we are quite there 100% yet but you are right ... anyone with a sense of humanity in the force still hanging in there is going to get weeded out or aged out into retirement in short order. Within a year or two, there won't be anyone left but MAGA thugs.

quakerboy

(14,724 posts)
7. Im sorry. This is why we are losing
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:33 PM
18 hrs ago

Nothing against you personally, but we are 5 years past there. This is how we got trump 2. We dont want to deal with how bad it is or the hard steps that need to be taken.

We let ICE act as trumps personal goons, kidnapping US citizens with impunity during his first occupation of the white house. Literally they kidnapped people off the streets in rented minivans in my city for protesting. There should have been prosecutions and probably a dissolving of the whole department that would let itself be used like that as soon as Biden was able to put trustworthy people in positions of authority around the government.

The fact we didnt do anything about it is why they were able to remain and grow to expand this private army and corrupt even the veterans that remain with a sense that they have 0% chance of being held to account for their actions.

We have the extrajudicial assassinations. We have the concentration camps. We have the racism and the violence and the nationalism. Its all here, now.

KentuckyWoman

(7,374 posts)
8. You might be right. Probably are.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:58 AM
9 hrs ago

And you are probably right that I'm too slow to accept it. It's hard to look at my entirely lifetime of sacrifice and work and realize it was for nothing.

I really do hear you.

quakerboy

(14,724 posts)
9. it is hard to see that
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 02:19 AM
7 hrs ago

For me too. I really thought we'd hit a point where most of us could more or less coast towards a better world, a better country with relatively little effort, each generation actually improving a bit.

And I dont think it was for nothing. But the war was not won, just a few battles.

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