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RoeVWade

(844 posts)
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 07:29 AM 8 hrs ago

Every time someone says, Trump can't do it because it's illegal?

"I throw up my hands."

Are we in the same Universe?

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Every time someone says, Trump can't do it because it's illegal? (Original Post) RoeVWade 8 hrs ago OP
Or when a cable news anchor cites polls gab13by13 8 hrs ago #1
"illegal" is more an obstacle to him, appears to me. RoeVWade 8 hrs ago #2
Why the name? bigmonk 8 hrs ago #3
Many of us personally know good people who are named mwmisses4289 7 hrs ago #9
I never refer to him as president. Can't bring myself to put those two words together. Katinfl 7 hrs ago #12
I usually refer to him as t. mwmisses4289 6 hrs ago #18
My husband and I call him the idiot. Katinfl 1 hr ago #22
People are in total denial and it is impossible to budge them to face reality. Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #4
Maybe that's it. Normally, I consider myself optimist. I'm optimistic Trump can eventually be crushed with facts and RoeVWade 7 hrs ago #7
You are a balanced optimist who sees hope that Trump can be defeated. Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #8
Pretty much, yup. Hope to stay that way. RoeVWade 7 hrs ago #10
What you call negativity I would call reality. Irish_Dem 6 hrs ago #16
I thought markie 7 hrs ago #5
I kind of got that. RoeVWade 7 hrs ago #13
There was a discussion here on DU just a few days ago with a poster niyad 6 hrs ago #14
And when a judge rules against the Trump administration Chasstev365 7 hrs ago #6
Given that they consistently have, yes EdmondDantes_ 6 hrs ago #15
Here Chasstev365 6 hrs ago #17
Not as black and white as it seems Fiendish Thingy 4 hrs ago #21
Actually they have complied with rulings restraining their actions most of the time Fiendish Thingy 5 hrs ago #20
I remember being told that Biden couldn't do anything with the "absolute immunity" granted by SCOTUS Orrex 7 hrs ago #11
His administration indeed acts with lawless impunity Fiendish Thingy 5 hrs ago #19

gab13by13

(31,263 posts)
1. Or when a cable news anchor cites polls
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 07:34 AM
8 hrs ago

that say what he is doing is very unpopular, I scream.

Some brave state law enforcement DA or AG has to give the OK to arrest these goons when they commit crimes. I have seen people in Minnesota and Pa. talk tough, just do it. Minnesota needs to investigate the murder.

bigmonk

(111 posts)
3. Why the name?
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 07:42 AM
8 hrs ago

And why do people call him Trump, repeating his brand and promoting him, when they should be calling him Donald?

mwmisses4289

(3,266 posts)
9. Many of us personally know good people who are named
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:21 AM
7 hrs ago

Donald or have Don as a nickname. Not to many of us personally know (or want to know!) someone named trump.

Katinfl

(644 posts)
12. I never refer to him as president. Can't bring myself to put those two words together.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:26 AM
7 hrs ago

Irish_Dem

(79,910 posts)
4. People are in total denial and it is impossible to budge them to face reality.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:00 AM
7 hrs ago

In fact when you try to talk to them about reality they get very angry.
I have noticed this over and over here.

I think being an optimist can be a good trait in general.
But when you are in an emergency situation it can be a big liability.

RoeVWade

(844 posts)
7. Maybe that's it. Normally, I consider myself optimist. I'm optimistic Trump can eventually be crushed with facts and
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:06 AM
7 hrs ago

reality. You can't give up or give in. You can't normalize it. You can't get used to it. You have to oppose it.

Irish_Dem

(79,910 posts)
8. You are a balanced optimist who sees hope that Trump can be defeated.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:18 AM
7 hrs ago

You don't seem to think that Trump will follow rule of law or that we even still have a rule of law in the US.

But have hope justice will prevail.

RoeVWade

(844 posts)
10. Pretty much, yup. Hope to stay that way.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:23 AM
7 hrs ago

For people that need a break from negativity, take one for your own mental health if you need it. No reason to crack. Won't do anyone any good.

Irish_Dem

(79,910 posts)
16. What you call negativity I would call reality.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 09:28 AM
6 hrs ago

Leaders need to face reality no matter how hard it is or they cannot fight the enemy successfully.

But yes it is hard on the troops who need a softer version perhaps and to take breaks.

markie

(23,868 posts)
5. I thought
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:04 AM
7 hrs ago

by now... everyone understood most of what he does is illegal I haven't heard anyone say "Trump can't do it because it's illegal"

RoeVWade

(844 posts)
13. I kind of got that.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:27 AM
7 hrs ago
by now... everyone understood most of what he does is illegal I haven't heard anyone say "Trump can't do it because it's illegal"


in my Greenland post, a poster was said, that taking Greenland was "too" illegal. I'm just not sure I know what is "too" illegal for Trump.

niyad

(129,643 posts)
14. There was a discussion here on DU just a few days ago with a poster
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 09:11 AM
6 hrs ago

who actually said the "can't do it" absurdity, and then doubled down repeatedly when the statement was challenged.

Chasstev365

(7,143 posts)
6. And when a judge rules against the Trump administration
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:05 AM
7 hrs ago

Does anyone think for a second that this criminal cabal that mascarades a presidential administration cares about a judge's ruling?

To them its an annoyance and not a paramount having a functional democracy. They also know Congressional Republicans and the 6 partisan hacks on the Supreme Court will never stop them.

EdmondDantes_

(1,393 posts)
15. Given that they consistently have, yes
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 09:16 AM
6 hrs ago

With a couple of exceptions like the deportation flights that were in the air and ordered to return, they have whined but obeyed the courts. Do you have a bunch of specific examples where they haven't?

Fiendish Thingy

(22,075 posts)
21. Not as black and white as it seems
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 10:54 AM
4 hrs ago

From your link:

The Post examined 337 lawsuits in total, finding 165 cases in which judges had ruled against the administration. The Trump White House has been accused of “defying or frustrating court oversight” in 57 cases, or around 35 percent of rulings or orders made against them, the analysis found — an unprecedented amount, according to legal experts speaking to the publication


“Frustrating court oversight” is legalese for playing procedural games as a form of delaying compliance with a court order, which Trump is an expert at as we have seen. That is distinct from openly defying a court order, which has only happened a handful of times.

Note that neither the article at your link, and the WaPo report it references, distinguishes between or defines what the difference is between “frustrating judicial oversight” and open defiance, nor do they give any specific examples of the former.

Despite this administration’s acting with lawless impunity, we must remember this one absolute truth:

Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless

I think the more interesting, and important, question is: if this administration is truly a wholly unrestrained dictatorship, why do they comply at all?

At the very least Somebody is afraid of going to jail, or more likely, getting disbarred, and so is probably aggressively advocating for compliance with orders that can’t be gamed in court.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,075 posts)
20. Actually they have complied with rulings restraining their actions most of the time
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 10:46 AM
5 hrs ago

Of course they always appeal and seek a stay pending that appeal, but if no stay is issued, with just a few exceptions, they have obeyed the court.

Orrex

(66,691 posts)
11. I remember being told that Biden couldn't do anything with the "absolute immunity" granted by SCOTUS
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 08:26 AM
7 hrs ago

And here we are, with Trump doing everything he wants, with absolute immunity.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,075 posts)
19. His administration indeed acts with lawless impunity
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 10:44 AM
5 hrs ago

But once caught and ordered by the courts to stop or reverse their actions, for whatever reason, most of the time, they comply (of course while appealing and seeking a stay of the ruling, but otherwise they have complied)

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