County Medical Examiner says Alex Pretti's death now classified as a homicide. CNN

[applegrove]

Last edited Mon Feb 2, 2026, 06:22 PM - Edit history (2)

The death of Alex Pretti has been ruled a homicide, the Hennepin County medical examiner’s office said. Pretti was shot Jan. 24 during a chaotic encounter with federal immigration officers in Minneapolis. Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez were named as the two officers who fired at Pretti.

— Jon Cooper (@joncooper-us.bsky.social) 2026-02-02T21:20:46.478Z

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/county-medical-examiner-lists-prettis-death-homicide-129790382

[Torchlight]

1. War-rooms are going into CYA mode as we speak...

I'm guessing a lot of overpaid, under-educated men are currently and furiously spitballing different narratives designed to better soothe the Gestapo's wounded image.

[Prairie Gates]

2. This doesn't mean what some people think - it's obviously a homicide...

but whether it will be prosecuted as a manslaughter or murder is a completely separate question. There's no doubt that his cause of death was homicide.

[H2O Man]

11. Right.

"Homicide" covers a number of things.

[pat_k]

39. Yep. All it means is not suicide, accidental, or natural causes

The death was obviously caused by another person.



Expanded on edit. If Mr. Pretti's death isn't charged as, at a minimum, second degree murder, something is seriously wrong with the Hennepin County Attorney's Office,

Criminal Homicide

Murder: Intentional killing of another person with malice aforethought. It is often further classified into degrees:

First-degree murder: Premeditated and deliberate killing.

Second-degree murder: Killing without premeditation but with intent or reckless disregard for human life.

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Manslaughter: Killing without intent, divided into:

Voluntary manslaughter: Killing in the heat of passion, provoked by circumstances.

Involuntary manslaughter: Killing due to reckless or negligent behavior without intent to kill.

2. Justifiable Homicide

Killing that is deemed lawful, such as self-defense, defense of others, or in the line of duty by law enforcement officers when protecting life or property.

3. Excusable Homicide

Killing that occurs without criminal intent or negligence, such as in cases of accidents where the person acted with reasonable care and prudence.

4. Felony Homicide

Killing that occurs during the commission of another felony, even if the death was unintentional. This is often classified as felony murder.

5. Vehicular Homicide

Killing caused by reckless or negligent driving, often considered a separate legal category in many jurisdictions.

6. Negligent Homicide

Killing due to gross negligence, where the person failed to exercise a reasonable standard of care.

https://www.examples.com/mbe/homicide

[Wednesdays]

3. File this under "No shit, Sherlock." nt

[orangecrush]

9. ...

[onenote]

4. As others have pointed out, this isn't big news.

It wasn't previously classified as anything because the medical examiner's report, which is where the classification is made, wasn't out yet. Now it's out and it states what everyone already knew: it was a homicide -- that is, a death at the hands of another.

Saying it was a homicide doesn't mean much.

[Ocelot II]

6. No, it's because a death at the hands of another person is always classified by the ME as a homicide.

But it's not the medical examiner's job to decide whether that homicide was also a crime, i.e., some degree of murder or manslaughter.

[FakeNoose]

19. Exactly - "homicide" isn't the same as "murder" in the eyes of the law

So that's why we have judges and trials by jury ....

[NoRethugFriends]

26. Give me a break.

[NoRethugFriends]

29. Nor have these two

[sarisataka]

33. Renee Good's death was also ruled a homicide

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20962535

[Takket]

7. classified by who? The Feds? Or Minnesota? Or a medical examiner?

[Javaman]

12. my first thought as well. nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. In Minnesta, county MEs are the one who make the determination.

[Lovie777]

8. DUH................

[JI7]

10. By who or what ? I mean, we can see that it is. But i'm guessing this was something official by a govt agency or medical

?

[Amaryllis]

17. Yes, a link /source would be appreciated.

[applegrove]

30. This from ABC News:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/county-medical-examiner-lists-prettis-death-homicide-129790382

[Amaryllis]

34. THank you

[applegrove]

31. This from ABC News:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/county-medical-examiner-lists-prettis-death-homicide-129790382

[Warpy]

13. Good, maybe the cops and judges will finally DO SOMEthING

instead of issuing a bunch of worthless paper and doing crowd control on people who have the right and an obligation to protest tyranny.

[damifino10]

14. Why do I feel 2 pardons in the works????

[calimary]

15. You're not the only one.

[UTUSN]

36. Nope, the perps are Latinos.

[ShazamIam]

16. It is pretty f***ing obvious that it was murder and ditto for Renee Good. nt

[Kaleva]

22. Being classified as a homicide doesn't mean it was murder

[sarisataka]

18. Yes that is obvious.

However a finding of homicide by an ME does not have any criminal implication

[Ping Tung]

21. Legally homicide is killing one person by another. person. Murder is one person

is killing another person intentionally. It isn't murder if there is no intent to kill.

Note: I googled to find out the difference. All of the references listed that I checked agreed. i.e. One person is protects himself by killing the attacker in self defense. Homicide? Yes. Murder? Maybe.
Further note: If they are put on trial for murder, from what I've seen on the videos, they'd have a helluva hard time convincing me that it wasn't murder.

[patphil]

24. 10 bullets in the back seems more like murder to me.

Each time the ICE-holes confront someone, they are very quick to draw their weapon and point it at the person/people near them. The constant threat of deadly force seems to indicate deliberate intent to shoot at the slightest provocation.
I'm not a professional concerning such things, but that seems to meet the requirements for second degree murder.

[Ping Tung]

37. I agree with you. I hope they go to trial and the jury agees with us.

[AverageOldGuy]

23. I will get excited about this . . .

. . . when I see the two Gestapo drop through the trap door in the gallows, or, see the empty IV bag with them lying on the gurney.

[NoRethugFriends]

27. Yeh. Killing people who kill people sure shows killing is wrong.

[MadameButterfly]

25. classified by whom?

CNN? Or is it just CNN reporting how someone else classified it. Minnesota State? Federal Government? Police?

[1WorldHope]

32. Applegrove, after reading the comments to your post...

how enthusiastic do you feel about posting again soon? I'm just curious, because my feelings are hurt for you. But I'm sensitive like that.

[llmart]

35. Despite all the nitpicking over the legal meaning of the word "homicide"...

the fact is that a very large portion of our populace is too stupid to know this fact (especially Trump voters), and as we've said on here a gazillion times, people don't read beyond the headline. This headline at the very least is not a "good look" for this administration and every little bit helps.

[LeftInTX]

38. Manner of death is: natural cause, accidental, homicide or suicide.

[mdbl]

40. I hope the county prosecutor can bring the case locally

And not allow it into a federal court where the big ass crook can pardon a murderer.