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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJFC!!! INTERLOCHEN??? NPR "All Things Considered" epstein and
maxwell used Interlochen Arts as one of their earliest recruiting grounds. (sorrry, I cannot link, but go to npr.org). Apparently, epstein at about age 14 was a student there, and later used his status as a donor to gain access to some of his victims.
SheltieLover
(79,063 posts)niyad
(131,139 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(13,683 posts)niyad
(131,139 posts)Dave says
(5,373 posts)Ilsa
(64,134 posts)Anywhere young smart girls or women could be, Epstein/Maxwell went.
niyad
(131,139 posts)delisen
(7,304 posts)It has the Interlochen connection plus information about various grifts.
He was a bad actor from at least early adulthood
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Wikipedia also cites some connection to the big arms dealer who was implicated in Iran-Contra scandal.
It is inconceivable to me that Epstein was not known to or connected in some way to the CIA.
niyad
(131,139 posts)but will read his later.
angrychair
(12,023 posts)niyad
(131,139 posts)Tetrachloride
(9,523 posts)niyad
(131,139 posts)Tetrachloride
(9,523 posts)catbyte
(38,946 posts)I grew up about 50 miles north of it. It's quite a place, right on the lake. Students from all over the world study there.
Tetrachloride
(9,523 posts)catbyte
(38,946 posts)I lived there from age 4 to 18.
Tetrachloride
(9,523 posts)and charlevoix also
Tetrachloride
(9,523 posts)i had guessed it was a Vermont thing
niyad
(131,139 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,473 posts)This is so fucked up. Just revolting.
Bring back gallows or guillotines for those associated with this sick fuck.
niyad
(131,139 posts)Jack Valentino
(4,746 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 22, 2026, 12:09 AM - Edit history (6)
after my seventh and eighth grade years, for piano--- as part of the "All-State" two-week program which was limited to Michigan residents only. My parents couldn't afford to pay for the regular 8-week program, and I won a 50% scholarship for my first trip there. My first time there, I fell hopelessly in love with a girl who eclipsed my talent on the piano, which was a humbling experience for me--- she could play Chopin's "Fantasie-Impromptu" at 13 years old, better than I ever did at 17--- MUCH later, I finally saw her again--- performing on public television, and she had become an MSU music professor by that time!
(Her given name was Kathryn, and her last name was the same as mine--
but no relation that I was ever able to discover, unless it might have been in 1607 or 1620 or earlier---
but the nickname she went by was 'Shotzie' of all things! Regardless, I have never forgotten her--
even recently showed pictures of her to my next-door neighbor---
taken by Interlochen photographers, which my parents purchased, since I was in them....)
My parents had a somewhat personal connection to the camp, although they were mostly not musicians, my father could play two tunes on the piano--- in my early childhood, they rented a cottage on Green Lake several times in the summer--- Interlochen is situated between Green Lake and Duck Lake--- and in the evenings, they would sit outside and listen to the concerts coming from the music camp-- the concerts were every night, as I learned when I was a student there. Before attending the camp, we made the trip there to see the internationally-famous pianist Van Cliburn, I had one of his record albums, and got his autograph! (and the Chopin Fantasie-Impromptu was part of that album, so I was quite familiar with it!)
Oddly enough, while I was an All-State student, at the end of one of these nightly concerts (for which attendance seemed mandatory for All-State students), I spotted my Jr. High teacher for math and social studies trying to make his way out, and excitedly accosted him! (Quite a 'Small world' coincidence!)
((Interlochen is situated some miles southeast of Traverse City Michigan---
so it is some 200+ miles away from our home in Lansing---
back then at 55 mph, it was a four or five hour car trip---
so actually seeing someone from home there is somewhat remarkable...))
Back somewhere around the early 1940's, the melody from the middle section of this composition was appropriated for what became a somewhat popular song, "I'm always chasing rainbows" (my mother knew all the words, having come of age during the 1940's--- and while not a musician, I always thought she had a rather beautiful singing voice.... Late in her life, when she was speaking much less due to Alzheimer's disease, I made a CD just for her with popular 1940's songs, and while playing it for her, she broke out into song--- I think it was a Judy Garland tune---
and she had a love for classical music due to the influence of one of her school-teachers--- because of that she was the driving force behind my piano lessons starting at age nine--- but I had already indicated some inclination for it some years earlier, picking out the notes of the wedding theme 'Here comes the bride' on the very aged pump-organ in our basement, after serving as the ring bearer at age four for my aunt's wedding!)
As for the 'Epstein connection' to the camp, I prefer not to think about that....
but thanks for posting it anyway, since it prompted posting my personal memories
of the Interlochen music camp, and my mom and dad....
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niyad
(131,139 posts)One of the things we know in memory care is that music can reach a person even when notthing else can. If you saw the video of Tony Bennet shortly bfore he died, it was shown clearly. The minute the first notes came from his pianist, he was there. You did exactly the most wonderful thing for your mom.
And thank you for sharing those videos!
tavernier
(14,415 posts)I played first violin in the orchestra. Van Cliburn was a guest pianist and Lucy Baines Johnson did a reading of Peter and the Wolf another time. I dont remember anything weird going on other than the usual music nerd stuff. There was a group of us hot chicks in the dorm, and had there been any thing like that going on, we would have known. Also the rules were pretty strict. But I spent most of my free time across the street at the beach doing normal teenager stuff, or as my dad referred to it, a waste of talent and money. I guess rock and roll ruined me at an early age and Im so glad it did.
niyad
(131,139 posts)in 1964, he was 11. He went to a summer session there when he was 14.
tavernier
(14,415 posts)I guess the only relevance might be that I always felt very safe and secure with the people who ran the organization (for years, both before and after I attended) which just goes to show how snakes can slither into all sorts of homes.
niyad
(131,139 posts)know there are snakes aound. How innocently unaware we were last millenium.