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highplainsdem

(61,192 posts)
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 10:49 AM 14 hrs ago

Citrini Research just published a viral scenario for AI causing economic collapse by 2028. It's rattled AI proponents.

From Marketwatch via MSN:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/there-s-another-ai-doom-post-doing-the-rounds-this-time-the-s-p-500-dives-nearly-40/ar-AA1WTDIY

White collar job hiring will begin to collapse, they say. In their scenario, the bond market will notice this — white-collar workers represented 50% of employment and drove roughly 75% of discretionary consumer spending — and yields will start to fall.

In a normal recession, the cause eventually self-corrects. But this downturn’s cause will not be cyclical. As companies lay off workers, they’ll use the savings to buy more AI, and therefore cut even more workers. With fewer workers, there’ll be less consumption. It is a feedback loop with no natural brake, they add.

-snip-

And then “the daisy chain of correlated bets” will start to fracture. Private credit companies will have to sharply mark down their software investments. Moody’s will downgrade billions of dollars those debts in April 2027. Software backed loans start defaulting in the third quarter of 2027. Insurers with links to private credit are forced by regulators to raise capital or sell assets.

Citrini goes into great detail about these linkages, which are worth reading here. For example, they see house prices in San Francisco tumbling 11%. The government will be ideologically hamstrung in its response, reluctant to levy taxes on the AI economy to support displaced workers. “While the politicians bicker, the social fabric is fraying faster than the legislative process can move,” says Citrini.


Citrini's scenario - https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic - has had millions of views since it was released yesterday afternoon.

I read a lot of reactions to it online yesterday. Some AI enthusiasts refuse to believe it can happen. They're still convinced that despite all the layoffs we've already seen from AI, the technology will magically provide millions and millions of new jobs to replace all the jobs being lost - that the AI companies WANT to be lost, as they peddle their AI tools to businesses as a way to get rid of as many workers as possible. I saw one AI promoter say there will be millions of new factory jobs with a reindustrialization of the US - ignoring the tech sector's plans for automated factories.

The companies planning to benefit themselves from laying off employees have all been betting on other companies not doing the same thing, so overall employment will stay the same and consumers can keep our consumer-driven economy going.

None of them envisioned AI making the situation as dire as Citrini says could happen within two years, with the mad rush to automate with AI - and with AI agents in particular.

Citrini's prediction on how use of AI agents could collapse business profits in many sectors:

Subscriptions and memberships that passively renewed despite months of disuse. Introductory pricing that sneakily doubled after the trial period. Each one was rebranded as a hostage situation that agents could negotiate. The average customer lifetime value, the metric the entire subscription economy was built on, distinctly declined.

-snipping a paragraph on consumer savings from AI agents price-matching so much that forces prices down-

Financial advice. Tax prep. Routine legal work. Any category where the service provider’s value proposition was ultimately “I will navigate complexity that you find tedious” was disrupted, as the agents found nothing tedious.

Even places we thought insulated by the value of human relationships proved fragile. Real estate, where buyers had tolerated 5-6% commissions for decades because of information asymmetry between agent and consumer, crumbled once AI agents equipped with MLS access and decades of transaction data could replicate the knowledge base instantly. A sell-side piece from March 2027 titled it “agent on agent violence”. The median buy-side commission in major metros had compressed from 2.5-3% to under 1%, and a growing share of transactions were closing with no human agent on the buy side at all.


And with each reduction in profits, businesses will likely automate more. Fewer consumers will have money to spend. And the downward spiral continues.

Citrini's scenario predicts likely bipartisan support for subsidies to households, with deficit spending and some taxation of AI companies. They mention deficit spending during Covid, but that was viewed as a short-term emergency, which unemployment from AI isn't likely to be.

So more drastic solutions will likely be proposed:

The most radical proposal on the table goes further. The “Shared AI Prosperity Act” would establish a public claim on the returns of the intelligence infrastructure itself, something between a sovereign wealth fund and a royalty on AI-generated output, with dividends funding household transfers. Private sector lobbyists have flooded the media with warnings about the slippery slope.


FWIW, Sam Altman of OpenAI actually suggested a few years ago that every human on Earth be entitled to 1 eight-billionth (or whatever the number would be) of the value of the world's "compute" to sell or use as they saw fit, but he hasn't continued suggesting that and I suspect he might've brought it up as a way to stop talking about a UBI from government financed by taxing the rich more.

We can forget about AI companies being willing to share the wealth.

One of the most liberal venture capitalists and tech lords, Vinod Khosla, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinod_Khosla ), who's liberal enough to have suggested raising capital gains taxes and eliminating some business tax breaks so most Americans will not be taxed, reacted so badly to more extreme policies possibly becoming necessary that he had this to say yesterday about an article in the SF Standard on what Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna want from AI companies - https://sfstandard.com/2026/02/21/bernie-sanders-rips-silicon-valley-s-supposed-good-intentions-i-don-t-believe/ - and he called them "morons" and "commies" in a post on X...which I'll post in a reply below, but this is the text:

Bernie Sanders, Ro Khanna warn of AI’s potential negative consequences. Morons like ⁦@RoKhanna⁩ and ⁦@BernieSanders⁩ will stop all the good AI can do to protect their religion. Good intentions but bad outcomes is ok for these socialists/ commie


Khosla posted that several hours after the Citrini paper was released. He'd almost certainly heard a lot about it, if not read it, by then.

Battle lines are being drawn.

AI bros who might've once sounded willing to share maybe a small part of the wealth are likely to feel less generous if they see an economic slump coming that could demand more sharing.

And that SF Standard article had included what a former campaign manager of AOC wants:

Scattered amongst the crowd were a number of prominent professors and other political celebrities, including Saikat Chakrabarti, the former campaign manager and protégé of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), a liberal icon.

Chakrabarti, who is running for Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s long-held congressional seat in San Francisco, told the Standard that while he appreciated the seriousness with which the speakers approached AI, he was disappointed to see neither of them going far enough.

“We need to be talking about public ownership of these companies,” Chakrabarti said.


No need to wonder what even a somewhat liberal venture capitalist like Khosla thought of that, though he didn't name Chakrabarti...
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Citrini Research just published a viral scenario for AI causing economic collapse by 2028. It's rattled AI proponents. (Original Post) highplainsdem 14 hrs ago OP
Khosla's tweet last night: highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #1
I'm no economist, but I've been saying this for years RainCaster 14 hrs ago #2
I want to see the crypto bros lose, too. Crypto is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. highplainsdem 10 hrs ago #27
Folks are just now starting to figure this out? Midnight Writer 13 hrs ago #3
The AI peddlers and fans want to believe they're good guys, so they have to pretend all those highplainsdem 13 hrs ago #4
Lutnick gleefully predicted a future when the majority of the population . . . peggysue2 10 hrs ago #24
Lutnick is evil. highplainsdem 10 hrs ago #28
And probably a pedo like his boss durablend 9 hrs ago #31
I haven't forgotten, and I agree. highplainsdem 3 hrs ago #37
We are indeed in late-stage capitalism biocube 13 hrs ago #5
This scenario is predicated on AI working extremely well and efficiently andym 13 hrs ago #6
It's being implemented, and employees are being laid off, despite the IP theft and despite the highplainsdem 12 hrs ago #8
If all you stated is correct, then companies using AI to a the extent necessary to replace humans will be outcompeted andym 12 hrs ago #10
Outcompeting takes time. People can be laid off quickly. And the AI bubble is driven by FOMO. highplainsdem 12 hrs ago #13
"Learn to code" is now "Get a manual job" - There will be a collapse in higher education jobs as well dalton99a 13 hrs ago #7
Once a decade GenThePerservering 12 hrs ago #9
The Problem with Rapidly Implementing AI in Business is MineralMan 12 hrs ago #11
Too many CEOs aren't even particularly intelligent GenThePerservering 10 hrs ago #25
That's assuming AI works. hunter 12 hrs ago #12
AI is often a pretext for off-shoring nuxvomica 12 hrs ago #15
Was just watching a stock trading broadcast and they mentioned it as well jmbar2 12 hrs ago #14
Yes. Some links: highplainsdem 11 hrs ago #20
It's simple. The people who buy the shit you make are the same people who make the shit you sell. 3Hotdogs 12 hrs ago #16
Excellent article on AI in the current issue of The Atlantic. Native 12 hrs ago #17
I'm still betting on the Yellowstone Caldera erupting Orrex 11 hrs ago #18
My money's on big rock from the sky. LudwigPastorius 10 hrs ago #26
Except AI does not work like they promise JT45242 11 hrs ago #19
Could we replace all our politicians with AI? Festivito 11 hrs ago #21
Maybe criminal liability would send a message jfz9580m 11 hrs ago #22
What if? multigraincracker 11 hrs ago #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie_Seagull 10 hrs ago #29
Don't look up. Bmoboy 9 hrs ago #30
i'm interested in Chakrabarti who is suggesting public ownership MadameButterfly 9 hrs ago #32
The "AI"pocalypse... nt Another Jackalope 9 hrs ago #33
It's the great reset theory the Tech Bros and many Nationalists follow. haele 7 hrs ago #34
K&R. Incredibly important post Arazi 7 hrs ago #35
This is total bullshit jfz9580m 7 hrs ago #36

RainCaster

(13,557 posts)
2. I'm no economist, but I've been saying this for years
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:05 AM
14 hrs ago

AI will screw us all, and the tech bros at the top will profit heavily. Until they won't. I want to see them bury their funds in crypto, as I watch those crypto infrastructures collapse.

Midnight Writer

(25,236 posts)
3. Folks are just now starting to figure this out?
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:24 AM
13 hrs ago

Hell, I never went to college and even I could see this coming. But I did read Aesop's Fables, including The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs.

No jobs, no spending, no economy.

The ultimate "Move Fast and Break Shit" from capitalists so star-struck by technology they don't understand that they are slitting their own throats.

Who decided the metric for success was money?

highplainsdem

(61,192 posts)
4. The AI peddlers and fans want to believe they're good guys, so they have to pretend all those
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:49 AM
13 hrs ago

people losing their jobs to AI will magically find new jobs, even better jobs.

Unless they're envisioning people losing jobs to AI who are people they hate and/or envy. I've seen a lot of RWers, for instance, celebrating a future where teachers all lose their jobs, and where journalists who aren't RW lose their jobs. And I've also seen a lot of dumb people using AI to generate AI slop "art" and videos and music posting gleefully about those damn elitist, gatekeeping artists and filmmakers and actors and musicians having their livelihoods destroyed. But most of those sick people aren't working for AI companies - they just want other people hurt by AI while they expect to profit from using AI themselves to replace people who had real talent.

peggysue2

(12,474 posts)
24. Lutnick gleefully predicted a future when the majority of the population . . .
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 02:22 PM
10 hrs ago

Would have lifetime jobs fixing and operating automated, advanced manufacturing factories. Generations of Americans screwing tiny screws into the machinery. And their souls. Because doesn't everyone want a womb to tomb existence in an automated factory??

The Glory Days! All to ensure the billionaires stay fat and happy.

biocube

(194 posts)
5. We are indeed in late-stage capitalism
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:50 AM
13 hrs ago

The economy doesn't need to collapse.

I just don't have any faith in the oligarchy to abandon it's mythology that the middle class instead of billionaires made this economy great.

andym

(6,062 posts)
6. This scenario is predicated on AI working extremely well and efficiently
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 11:57 AM
13 hrs ago

If it does, then white collar jobs would be unnecessary, as the article states. Not only that it could power robots making blue collar jobs vulnerable.

However, on DU I've seen article after article claiming AI is ineffective with no real originality or creativity, wholly dependent on copyright infringement, having poor reasoning ability and too high a rate of hallucination etc, which would mean that the premise of the Citrini paper is incorrect.

The question is what is the reality.

highplainsdem

(61,192 posts)
8. It's being implemented, and employees are being laid off, despite the IP theft and despite the
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:22 PM
12 hrs ago

hallucinations and the lack of creativity. The smaller number of workers trying to work with AI and catch its errors are suffering burnout. If they're even trying to catch its errors - I saw an article earlier this month on software developers beginning to trust AI so much that about half who were surveyed weren't even bothering to check AI-generated code carefully.

So there's a lot of bad code out there. A lot of bad writing with accidental misinformation that the AI got wrong and humans didn't catch. A lot of inferior customer service.

Too many companies are willing to produce inferior products and hope customers will still settle for them, as long as the companies save money with cost reductions (that will not be passed along to consumers).

And AI agents are creating a nearly-new hype cycle, despite being even riskier to use than earlier generative AI.

I've actually been hoping for that bad AI-generated code to cause enough very expensive problems for enough companies that using AI for coding will suddenly become less popular. But it either hasn't happened yet or - just as likely - it was covered up when it happened, or at least blamed on humans.

We're graduating students who have less knowledge, and that WILL.impact companies, but they're hiring so many fewer recent grads that their employees were educated before the dumbing down by AI.

It's stupid for businesses to use those flawed, illegally trained AI models. But they're using them anyway.

andym

(6,062 posts)
10. If all you stated is correct, then companies using AI to a the extent necessary to replace humans will be outcompeted
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:29 PM
12 hrs ago

by more conservative companies that restrain the use of AI given our capitalist system rewards success and efficiency. The low-use AI companies would make better, more accurate decisions and have less inefficiency. This would again make the Citrini paper unrealistic.

highplainsdem

(61,192 posts)
13. Outcompeting takes time. People can be laid off quickly. And the AI bubble is driven by FOMO.
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:38 PM
12 hrs ago

Citrini isn't offering this scenario as the only possible one, but as the one that will result if businesses implement AI to the extent the AI companies are pressuring them to, and too many white collar workers are laid off.

It's a warning to AI companies that they could sink the economy, because those workers sustain the economy.

dalton99a

(93,224 posts)
7. "Learn to code" is now "Get a manual job" - There will be a collapse in higher education jobs as well
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:05 PM
13 hrs ago

Let AI do the plagiarism for you



GenThePerservering

(3,189 posts)
9. Once a decade
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:25 PM
12 hrs ago

Someone starts yet another bout of desperately important apocalyptic scenarios. "The Coming Collapse of [insert latest bogeyman]". The inflationary 70s had people hoarding silver coins because "In the coming monetary collapse, you will not be able to purchase a loaf of bread for any amount of currently printed money, but you will be able to trade one for a silver quarter" etc etc. Then came the 80s with the scarcity thing and "Muddling Through to Frugality". Then the 90s when the prediction was that suburbia would be in conflict with cities, etc etc - that one was so bizarre I could barely follow it.

It just never stops. AI needs to be throttled because it's poorly written rubbish unsustainably powered that's going to keep failing, not because the end of the world is coming.

MineralMan

(150,999 posts)
11. The Problem with Rapidly Implementing AI in Business is
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:33 PM
12 hrs ago

that the people who are making those decisions have no real understanding of what AI is, how it works, and why it is often defective in ways that are difficult to detect. Instead those people know how money moves and are excited about eliminating more and more jobs they also don't understand and could not do.

So, you have the bosses firing the workers who know what they're doing, and replacing them with robots who really understand nothing.

Now, that's a recipe for success if I ever saw one!

GenThePerservering

(3,189 posts)
25. Too many CEOs aren't even particularly intelligent
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 02:39 PM
10 hrs ago

They seem to fail upward in a combination of graft, sucking up and preferment until they join the CEO Club to get traded around from company to company, all with stupid high sign up bonuses, all to just fail again. Rent-a-CEO.

They're so overpaid now that there is no accountability. Instead of being reduced to sweeping floors when they fail spectacularly, they're given millions in cash and stock options to 'spend time with their families'.

The idea of morons like these making any decisions about this is not encouraging - their admin assistants probably do all the real work, anyway. Ask them lol.

hunter

(40,541 posts)
12. That's assuming AI works.
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:38 PM
12 hrs ago

If it doesn't work the economic collapse will be a consequence of its failures.

Sure, let's use AI to keep our electric grids stable and manage our health care system. Let's use "vibe" coding to implement new financial products. AI will certainly make the engineers job easier when they are designing tall buildings, airplanes, rockets, and dams.

I don't think people get it yet. If your boss wants you to use AI in your work they are asking you to be the fall guy when things go wrong. You'll be the one filling out the unemployment forms wondering how you are going to pay the mortgage. Or worse, sitting in jail. But the company you worked for isn't going to let all that money they invested in Artificial Intelligence go to waste because AI is only getting better every day.

And don't forget, Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes!

nuxvomica

(14,001 posts)
15. AI is often a pretext for off-shoring
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 01:03 PM
12 hrs ago

When my employer was having rounds of layoffs, including mine ultimately, they were pushing AI as the reason but instead of eliminating jobs they moved them to India. Not the only company that was doing the same thing last year. I don't think AI is anywhere near is functional as we're hearing but even as just a false pretext it can do a lot of damage.

jmbar2

(7,864 posts)
14. Was just watching a stock trading broadcast and they mentioned it as well
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 12:53 PM
12 hrs ago

sending shockwaves...

Politicians need to be making immediate plans to stabilize the world. Tax them based on job destruction.

3Hotdogs

(15,222 posts)
16. It's simple. The people who buy the shit you make are the same people who make the shit you sell.
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 01:09 PM
12 hrs ago

Robots don't need nor want your Ford 150. They don't even want a Whopper or a Big Mac.

Vonnegut predicted the outcome around 50 years ago. The result was "Ethical Suicide Parlors" to take care of surplus workers.

JT45242

(3,961 posts)
19. Except AI does not work like they promise
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 01:30 PM
11 hrs ago

Try to make biology test questions about commensalism/mutualism/etc. and the AI will swap animals without regrads to facts -- it can write a test question that beavers are apex predators; that killer whales and great white sharks have mututalism relationship. It thinks that all animals are interchangable.

Then eventually communities are going to make these AI behemoths pay for the electricity and then it will all shut down.

AI is more likely to burst than cause massive layoffs for white collar employees because the GIGO model means that most of what it spits out is garbage...good enough to fool an MBA in managemnet (especially the closer to the C-suite that you get) but not anyone with real knowledge in an industry

Festivito

(13,868 posts)
21. Could we replace all our politicians with AI?
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 01:32 PM
11 hrs ago

We could, simply tell our rAIpresentative.We want smaller less noticeable government, or larger protective government, or more bang For my buck government.

AI could make a composite representative to argue with everyone else's composite representative. It could then write up the results along with three bullet points. Tell us how very good we were to participate.

And we can all go on our merry way.Trying to figure out what we 're doing on this little planet in the middle of a galaxy, somewhere in a universe.

Just like we're doing right now.

jfz9580m

(16,769 posts)
22. Maybe criminal liability would send a message
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 01:53 PM
11 hrs ago

I live in India and got an early and extremely unimpressive exposure at Stanford to this garbage. That shithole is like a prison crossed with a (glamorous) pigsty and at this point regard for my lab and other scientists there/my other colleagues is my sole reason for not filing allegations against the school.

Some of the stuff I have seen in India, I am definitely filing some complaints about as long as they are the right ones and again do not impact my doctors or my medical mj co. They have deliberately made so much of this emerging rubbish economy so opaque that figuring out how to strategically pushback (while retaining access to useful goods and services non-shadily) is mentally taxing.

As a scientist with slim prospects, but no desire to lump their field or endure more of any unwanted junk, I am prepared to make sure my data (medical/academic/bank/travel) and other assets (land, home, bank accounts) are not low rent “oil” or unclaimed spaces.

I don’t want public ownership. I want to decouple myself entirely from this totally futile and useless non economy before more bullshit destroys more of my time and assets. And to file complaints and if necessary criminal complaints over this.

I am putting criminal liability on the table more and more. I am not joking nor crazy. It is not that these technologies are that scary and outcompeting anyone..It is the opposite. They are just distracting garbage that talentless people bilk the public via.

I am moving closer to formalising my own conflict plans and ensuring that if there was an issue, a real penalty is guaranteed plus a draconian legal precedent to prevent this again..I think some issues I had were tied to these worthless technologies which ruin anything good they touch.

Maybe criminal liability will send a gentle message to parasitic, overly imperious, sleazy, overrated billionaire huckster kakistocrats.

multigraincracker

(37,290 posts)
23. What if?
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 01:53 PM
11 hrs ago

We put a tax on Ai. Tax the Ai the amount of taxes that were paid by the worker including SS.
Then add a wealth tax on the top 10%. That would be a fair way to pay for services provided by the government. Cover the safety net and military.

But what do I know?

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

MadameButterfly

(3,931 posts)
32. i'm interested in Chakrabarti who is suggesting public ownership
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 03:27 PM
9 hrs ago

of AI companies. I'm not a socialist, at least so far, but it seems the ways the economy keeps getting consolidated into fewer and fewer people, and given what we've seen of the ethics of oligarchs, I don't see how we survive AI being left to their discretion. There need to be checks and balances as to how decisions are made--we've learned that an elected leader can be dangerous too. i just think it can't be left up to the short term bottom line of corporations with no concern for the ramifications for society and the planet.

AI needs to be answerable to the people. We should all benefit if there are profits made at the expense of employment--if there is less work, there should be more leisure, not more poverty. And there should be choices made where to preserve human reason and creativity even if a robot can do it faster.

haele

(15,256 posts)
34. It's the great reset theory the Tech Bros and many Nationalists follow.
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 05:25 PM
7 hrs ago

1. Despite what that fuddy-duddy Adam Smith teaches, Democracy is an enemy to Capitalism. If a Capitalist cares about anything but collecting as much wealth and resources as possible, they aren't a good Capitalist. The "average person" just gets in the way of squirting Capital.
Capitalism is the best system to gather resources in, because people need to work both harder and smarter than anyone else to best collect and use resources.

2. A free market should have no rules or responsibilities , just making wealth. There are no real successful products to be sold or customers that need to be satisfied, there are just consumers. Consumers, and the Providers that consume them for wealth.

3. Masses are Asses. If you don't have spending money for anything you want, you're part of the masses. And there doesn't need to be so many of you, so you need to be winnowed down to those who can pay and those who need to start to pray, because empathy is a moral sin that leads to trouble and failure.
Corollary - If you're subscribed to a free service, you're the product being sold.
Once a product outlives it's usefulness, it needs to be disposed of, or it will damage the system.

4. The best government is one run by smart technocrats investing in progress.
Q- Why? A. - Because it makes makes lots of money by allowing me to convince people that because I'm rich and technologically on top of things, they need to buy all my promises and shit. And kiss my ass, call me smart and respect me as a great guy.

Oh, By the Way - Masses are Asses, and Objective Capitalism is the best system, because you rise and fall on your own results ...



jfz9580m

(16,769 posts)
36. This is total bullshit
Mon Feb 23, 2026, 05:51 PM
7 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Feb 23, 2026, 06:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Either that entire field is swindlers, hucksters and charlatans or really stupid and basically pulling a Jan 6 on society’s reaources. Like every other science is defunded, underfunded, classified by now, including far more serious sciences like climate change.
This garbage rush for AGi..i respect Yan Lecun’s work. And you cannot deploy that at scale casually. It would be this buggy mess of chatting llms bullshitting.

Unfortunately I (and I suspect President Trump…sorry DU, I am trying to make a scientific point, unprofessionally enough;-/ so I have to skimp on rudeness somewhere..I am being rude about an entire, monied, powerful and super sleazy field. I can’t also directly be rude and not call people president etc. Besides I am being rude however I put it) get how those things “think”. Me with disgust at this type of guesswork based multiple choice style thinking and this is bs.

You can pull off a kind of patchy human and machine guesswork and it looks so lame and unimpressive. A field less corrupted would have many scientists tearing

In the natural sciences, that woman Holmes could not get away with it in academia. These guys don’t seem to have any meaningful academia. Prof Lecun seems to be one of the few honest people aside from Timnit Gebru (lol ..she didn’t last long at Google did she?) and Emily Bender.

At this point my guess is that with cybersecurity and probably data on all the porn all these various male creeps in society gratify themselves (these assholes -no offence to all the men or anything…sorry “bruh” but saving your stupid face is not worth more than all of every other damn thing and these guys would be that dumb) they have taken all the elites hostage and now swindle society with what is obviously total bs.

It is Theranos times a million but it is easy to catch frauds like Theranos.

This is a society where education and science and even basic common sense have been chucked for a set of metrics that portray a knack for making money or getting attention in any damn way - even

At least the doctors or pis in the real sciences should call these fucking criminal frauds in CS and this collection of sleazy and asinine CEOs-this imperious and stupid moron Vinod Khosla, that lunatic Elon Musk, that ass Zuckerberg, that blithering idiot Sam Altman- they should be calling these guys out.

I think they are too polite and it is breaking society. I read these things Adam Becker or even Timnit Gebru or Emily Bender write and they are all far too polite.
But someone has to say it…even if it is (and this is a cliche I protest as lacking even aesthetic sense) a failed scientist misrepresented as a raving schizophrenic or bot by these same damn shit systems.

I am not a very good scientist but I understand people and life better than herd followers this delusional. You only need some scientific training and average sense to see that before more vast amounts of infrastructure and societal commitments are made to thus junk, you need to show so much more than this.

All I am saying is I lost close to 15 years and my mom and I will take this to criminal court before i let my home, street in this godforsaken hell and life be sucked into this puerile fucking bullshit anymore.

This is such bullishit..and I am a layperson. But I would never say this about vaccines or any of the things people pettily pull apart which are nothing like this vast fucking scam. When economics - an already far less scientific field than the earth sciences, cannot even say what these fucking morons want to hear anymore when no exploitation/war or obscenity can jerk these people out of their stupor, then they switch to crypto.

I actually don’t think this is a race or gender or even class war as much as it is on many levels this one fucking shit field and that other shit field economics with a bunch of lousy trashy and criminal commercial art and athletics picking uo the tab wherever it is clear that these guys are fucking garbage at actual science

No one conducts science and reality like this. These people are criminal frauds and I at least am filing medical malpractice and criminal misconduct in human research made worse by slandering someones sanity and character.

I am so not in the mood for this. I am not ai taking people hostage.
I am human and I have seen enough.

I respect Adam Becker and he is too polite. These guys are creeps and frauds and all the real scientific elite are too polite or looked at regular porn and are crazy enough to allow these morons to have exactly one real product-cybersecurity and let society be taken hostage on that account.

Nothing else explains so much hype that is so lacking in justification and producing a junk economy no one even wants that all snoopware and terror and this is bullshit.

And I am not yet filing criminal medical malpractice and criminal misconduct allegations and trying to politicize this from any angle is bullshit.

These guys are hucksters, they are swindlers..these ai creeps. I have now seen enough of these worthless things to be appalled at so much overreach with no widespread social consensus

And based on this authoritarian responses cannot follow because that is too stupid.

You cannot get authoritarian with me. I am the wrong type..I am not a serious protester..But were I serious I would be in prison and I don’t want to go to prison. No rational human being likes attention for such fucking junk.

This is really stupid. These barbaric and brutal creeps are taking everything over..and they are these failed CS creeps who are in denial about what junk they are shilling as science, hoping that anyone who is not a total rube or in on the fraud, is too polite/looked at too much regular porn/is compromised in some way trivial way (if it was non trivial, those would be the people in on the fraud like our corrupt and malicious and brainless tech press-Yasha Levine/Andy Nikiforuk/Ed Zitron/Troy Farah and Chris Ketcham being notable exceptions) or is easy to label crazy/ or all of the above.
I think I fall in the trivial (pot) and easy to label crazy categories. And I protest that…

I wonder if Adam is this polite because he is simply not as cleverbot informed me I am “a rude little robot” (🙄 , or it is that he knows how crazy these guys are bts..these guys are fake convincing people who attack actually legitimate earth and ecological sciences as egghead smoke and mirrors.

I will draft a formal post if activist HQ about how I am initiating complaints asap. I would not sink another day nor more of my resources into this worthless junk and that is not a reason for the humans in this field to maliciously trash my cybersecurity and then pretend a bot that came tp life did it which these disgustingly corrupt insode yhe system liars frauds and criminals in CS would do.
There are tonnes of safety risks in society and there is a sane way to regulate them.


This is just a totally phony surveillance state. Like this is sleazier, scammier and stupider even by the lousy track records of human societies re: truly sustainable survival so far.

I am pretty sure at this point that they won’t get fascistic with me here in India. It is not that authoritarian here in India as your corrupt and creepy NYT etc make it out anymore than you guys are nazi germany.
But narratives like those get enough people quelled that they ignore real world signs which can avert such thjngs


This is all fucking melodramatic and it is…this is too much stupidity. I cannot endure another 15 years of stupidity. It is worse rhan alcohol even.


I am filing complaints asap. It is only regarf for my colleagues that kept me silent this long and at this point, if this were to be cataclysmic rather than ignored as usual so this corrupt and criminal war of economic attrition can continue, then they are screwed anyway.
I am filint complaints avout all the ai and assoxiated communication and other tech on my property and in my life in the past 15 years.

I am pretty sure a swat team from the US is not descending on me or any friends or colleagues.

But you know what, at this point in time whenit is still early enough it is a better risk than allowing this way to continue.
And I am pretty sure the better and more decent (ie ACTUALLY COMPETENT) people bts would encourage someone speakign out ans stopping this madness.

This is a junk investment andi will formally put criminal liability on the table for all the unidentified Indian or other ai and data companies as well as the giants-Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Jio, AirTel, Tata (I am 0000F5D7! That is a stupid number that keeps flashing on my screen they can use to identify the shrill person…Atrios would approve of the level of shrill I am attaining..he is an actual honest economist unlike that fraud/creep Larry Summers)

I am from Kerala but I hate and despise our communist govt. I have never seen a more corrupt or sleazy govt personally and I avoid all politics here in India. My dad likes the centre. I think in this situation attacking the centre doesn’t make sense right now. I don’t know if they are directly involved..
Lol..so lame. I am actually trying to calculate if I can pull off the sort of detente I have with my dad, when he tries various annoying things, with the centre. That is the point of “privilege”.
Not to be a sycophant or child, but neutralize needless conflict to move fwd with necessary confrontations. Conflict with these tech creeps is a given. And I am left myself and i dismiss as corrupt and creepy the Kerala “left”.
I am not a conservative and I feel conservatives with no specific stake in this, should back off. I can’t have every damn fight right now. These tech creeps are the issue and before the get away with this swindle and cover their rears, there is still time

Though I will if they start any shit. I use my rudeness with skill to figure out how many people I can piss off without personal consequences any worse than these.


This is not the time for stupid culture wars when non locally one can halt this sort of brainless tech progress sans any serious oversight.

I have seen enough. I will decouple my assets and resources from this junk surveillance economy anx its sleazy version of healthcare, art, prison reform, social change etc. I keep things simple.

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