I will NEVER forget or forgive those people who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and VP Harris in 2024!!!

[lostincalifornia]

[Zambero]

1. Or Al Gore in 2000 for that matter

"Divide and conquer" is a long-standing practice aimed at weakening and defeating a political entity that would otherwise be united and capable of victory. When it arises from self-identified progressive individuals such as Ralph Nader, Susan Sarandon, or those Bernie followers who broke for Trump in 2016, it's not only unforgivable, but devastating to a society in terms of its irreparable consequences.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

16. I will never forgive Nader

Remember that Nader was funded by Karl Rove in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

[mcar]

2. "But her emails!!11" "She got paid to give speeches!!11" "Warmonger"

We were called "vagina voters" while deluded idiots on the far left happily voted for Russian asset Jill fcking Stein.

[Big Blue Marble]

4. What does never forgiving get us?

We need to find better ways to communicate to reach these people. Not forgiving only
increases the likelihood they just will stay home or vote for someone else.

It may make you feel better in the short run, but it does not get Democrats elected.
Let''s build bridges, not walls.

[Torchlight]

5. I doubt anyone's vote will change because of the OP's sentiment

[Big Blue Marble]

6. The attitude is wide spread.

The anger is understandable. Many of us felt betrayed by our fellow citizens, who chose
to ignore the facts in front of them.

It is also appropriate for our party to take responsibility to fail to connect, especially
when Trump's team was so effective at reaching into our base.

We do need to move on now and refocus our attention on reaching out for the midterms.
Anger, shame, and rejection will not bring us additional votes.

[Torchlight]

7. Nor will ineffectual sanctimony

Neither will really change the taste of mustard except your own jar.

[Big Blue Marble]

8. Your comment sounds pretty insulting.

There is nothing sanctimonious about speaking the truth.

[Torchlight]

10. Bumper stickers often speak truth too

Best usage is to cover up small scratches.

[Big Blue Marble]

12. Your insults continue.

Duly noted.

[Torchlight]

13. Obersvations, not insults

Duly inferred rather than noted

[Big Blue Marble]

9. Do you want to win more votes or play ostrich? N/T

[Torchlight]

11. If I see a viable plan or policy beyond bumper stickers

and tshirt slogans, I'll certainly allow it all the credibility it warrants

[Big Blue Marble]

14. Sorry that forgiveness is so hard for you.

Wishing you the best.

[Aristus]

32. Every time we try to build bridges, they burn them.

Al Gore: "Not as progressive as Ralph Nader, so let's make George W. Bush President!"

Hillary Clinton: "I don't trust her. She's a woman. I don't like her laugh. E-mails, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi."

Kamala Harris: "I don't trust her. She a woman. She's not a real American. Whatever other dipshit thing I can think of..."

Nope. No more wasting resources trying to build bridges. Fuck them and their "concerns". If they're fine setting the country on fire with the burning embers of all those bridges, there's nothing we can do to try to dissuade them.

[Chakaconcarne]

15. I'm not buying anything related to people "refusing" to vote for and that contributing to any loss.

[betsuni]

17. Weaponizing the word "establishment" really worked! So many moronic excuses not to vote for progress

righteously preening, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the mostest progressive of them all."

[617Blue]

18. Or those that will find a reason to do the same in 28

[PeaceWave]

22. This is what worries me. What will be the 2028 version of "Genocide Joe" and "Killer Kamala?"

Those who chanted and retweeted this nonsense were engaging in straight up propaganda detrimental to the Party - and yet these same people continue, to this day, to justify what they did "because of Gaza."

[617Blue]

25. The MAGAZANS. I'm guessing "corporate Democrat" will be the meme.

[betsuni]

26. AIPAC dog whistle is popular, Gaza worked so well it might be back.

I think they stopped trying to make "oligarch" happen and went back to "billionaires," every other sentence is whining about Democrats being corrupted by PACs and if a billionaire once touched a donated dollar bill, same old BS.

Same goals with only slightly different strategies among candidates. Golden rule of division: Insist it's about policy but make it personal and go after character.

[Ms. Toad]

19. Not this nonsense, again. n/t

[GenThePerservering]

28. No kidding nt

[Rob H.]

31. You can pretty much set your watch by it at this point nt

[thought crime]

20. I feel Almost the same way

I will NEVER forget or forgive those people who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and VP Harris in 2024 and instead, voted for Donald Trump.

I was incredibly disappointed by Kamala's loss and I am still very much "coconut-pilled", but I understand the cause of that catastrophe and it wasn't just because she is female. The election was lost before she became the nominee.

[BWdem4life]

21. welp

Pretty sure some voted for Kamala who did not vote for Hillary. Guess you need to say and/or if you want to properly hate on the right people - for all the good it will do you (none) or anyone else (none).

[PeaceWave]

23. In any election involving Donald Trump, you have three choices...

(1) vote for the Democrat running against him,

(2) vote for Trump, or

(3) don't vote/vote for a third candidate/vote "uncommitted."

Only one of these is the right choice. Period. And, if you don't get that, I absolutely reserve the right to have a special lasting place on my shit list for you.

[flvegan]

24. 77 million dirtbag Americans voted for Trump, and 10s of millions of

dirtbag Americans couldn't* be bothered to vote at all. Last number I saw was 90 million, but I find that difficult to believe. I mean 167 million dirtbag Americans walking among us? Nah, can't be true.

*Those unable or disenfranchised or removed from voter rolls not included in that sentiment. I live and vote in Florida where fucking over people trying to vote is like the Summer Olympics here.

[Chemical Bill]

27. How about the Electoral College?

That took the win from Hillary even though she won the popular vote by millions.

How about voter purges? Republicans targeted urban and minority districts to remove millions of Democrats from voter rolls.

Maybe we can change the Constitution to reflect the current reality.

[SocialDemocrat61]

29. Great idea

but that would take a constitutional amendment which would be hard to get past, so we have to live within the current system.

[B.See]

30. Nor will I.

[biocube]

33. What about all the people that thought it was more important to have a woman president than defeating fascism?

In an era where people are fed up with establishment politicians you go for a boring corporate centrist.

And once again IDGAF what's on a party platform on a web site no one will read. *Brand yourself* as the party that will raise wages and make college and make college and health care more affordable.

You don't win by saying "we're Republicans except we're pro choice and not racist".