Wait so the shooter wasn't even on the same floor???!

[D_Master81]

All this nonsense all over social media and the news broadcast about another “attempt on the president’s life” and the need to build the ballroom because venues like this just can’t handle the security needs of such an event and the suspect may have been stopped on a different floor than the president was located? I’m sorry I don’t consider that an assassination attempt. That’s a crazy person with a gun. If you aren’t even on the same floor of the building let alone the same room the security did its job.

By this definition how many assassination attempts were made on President Obama? Do we consider someone who mailed ricin to the White House to be an assassination attempt?

[Aussie105]

1. "attempt on the president's life"

Never got that far.

The potential 'shooter' was stopped well before the ballroom, and it's unclear if he even fired a single shot.

But it is the process of demonizing the supposed enemy in action.

Inferences?
Lots!
One of them is: Trump is immortal, Trump is a brave boy! Hero level bravery! All hail the chief!

[msongs]

2. should there also be a charge for attempted murder for everyone there then?

[FoxNewsSucks]

7. One would think so

but we mere workers don't count. Just the elites.

[madashelltoo]

3. A Black man with a shotgun "RUNNING"

Past security is a dead man everyday, everywhere USA. I’ve got a castle with a moat filled with alligators for sale real cheap for anyone who thinks otherwise.

[marble falls]

4. And never fired a round. Or so I've heard somewhere. He was just excercizing his 2nd Amendment rights to carry.

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Well, he did send his family a list of cabinet members he was targeting. Nt

[FoxNewsSucks]

9. Whose side are you on?

Note to jurors:
I'll take the hide if necessary, but look at Fiendish Thingy's incessant posts defending tRump and slamming democrat's comments before making your final decision please.

[marble falls]

13. No accusation was made, just a fair enough question. We all want to know where others stand. I'd vote ...

... to let it stand, no ToS was violated.

[obamanut2012]

20. It has been noticed

[FoxNewsSucks]

37. Yeah, and

it'll probably be "noticed" again in a couple weeks when the right willing group just happens to be online

[BannonsLiver]

25. I ask that question every god damn day.

Finally someone asks it out loud.

[marble falls]

12. Allegedly. Allegedly. It might be circumstantial evidence of something. No law against making or keeping a list.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. It's a way of proving intent

That’s why Trump shreds/eats meeting notes.

[marble falls]

17. It doesn't prove any sort of intent, anymore than a sugar cookie recipe proves Betty Crocker intends to cause ...

... you to develop diabetes.

There is no law against having or making any sort of list - that's a First Amendment right of free speech. It is circumstantial evidence maybe in a trial, he has a Fourth/Fourteenth Amendment right to "Due Process" and a "presumption of innocence". We still have Bill of Right here.

Put the rope away, there will be no lynching here.


Due Process Clauses are found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. They prohibit the deprivation of "life, liberty, or property" by the federal and state governments, respectively, without due process of law. The U.S. Supreme Court interprets these clauses to guarantee a variety of protections: procedural due process; substantive due process; a prohibition against vague laws; incorporation of the Bill of Rights to state governments; and equal protection under the laws of the federal government.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. You're referring to a simple list without annotations

I’m referring to a list entitled “the cabinet members who must die” or “cabinet members I plan to kill at the WHCD”.

[marble falls]

23. BS. You can notate anything you want. Don't you have free speech in Canada? There's no law against any writing ...

... held only in one's personal control. First prove he meant to kill anyone. He never fired a shot even after law enforcement fired multiple rounds at him. Don't you remember Obama campaigning for re-election in Phoenix and a right winger with a loaded AR-15 was in the crowd outside the hall? He wasn't even questioned or detained by law enforcement let alone shot at.

Why don't you wait for the process before making accusation? Presumed innocence is the law of the land and has been affirmed by SCOTUS any number of times. Even TACO and Epstein had presumption of innocence until a verdict at trial.

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. Canada has laws against hate speech

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Rarely used, but on the books.

The Proud Boys were designated a terrorist organization in Canada before January 6.

There are web sites where you can bet on just about anything, including the odds Allen is convicted of the charges he faces (which, AFAIK don’t include attempted murder- CORRECTION- emptywheel reports he has been charged with 18 USC 1751, attempt to assassinate the President ).

Of course, Trump’s DOJ has a reputation for botching indictments, so it’s possible he could walk free.

Have you read Allen’s manifesto that he sent to his family?

[marble falls]

32. Where was HIS hate speech? We have have speech laws that increase a penalty for, say assault. ...

... Where was his assault? We can write all the hate speech or deepest darkest thoughts any time we want - as long as it remains private or between like minded citizens who keep it to him/themselves. This guy's freely made speech was discovered in an non warranted, exigent search. A judge will rule later during pretrial hearings whether or not he was using "hate speech" or making a list to use for ALLEGED crimes he was acting on. What do you have against the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments rights to due process? There may even be Fifth Amendment issues regarding self incrimination.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Hate speech is legal in the US

It’s becoming difficult to follow whatever point you’re trying to make…

If you’re curious about the indictment against Allen, and how Pirro was forced to tacitly admit Trump is a rapist and pedophile in order to use Allen’s manifesto as evidence to charge him, go here:

https://emptywheel.net/2026/04/27/jeanine-pirro-did-the-same-thing-norah-odonnell-did/

Perhaps you can badger Marcy about the constitutionality of the charges…

[Bluetus]

27. Was Trump even on that list?

As usual, Trump sprang rrght into action to make this all about him. It seems to me that whatever was going on in this fellow's mind was more related to the Ship of Fools surrounding Trump.

[Fiendish Thingy]

30. He was referenced, but not named. Nt

[Bluetus]

34. Was he even referenced by name?

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I heard where he was referenced implicitly as a rapist and pedophile. I'm not sure his name was in that manifesto, but the names of others were mentioned. So why is anybody assuming he planned to shoot Trump? And why is anybody assuming he intended to get into the ballroom?

I can't put myself in his head (as just about everybody claims such abilities), but just looking at the facts, it seems reasonable that he intended to hang out around the Hilton and shoot some of the cabinet people as they were out on the sidewalk or street.

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. Jeanine Pirro charged him with attempting to assassinate the president

And in her indictment she quoted the part of his manifesto that referenced him as a pedophile and rapist but didn’t name him.

[Bluetus]

36. It will be interesting to see if his defense uses the Norah O'Donnell twist

"Ohhh? Did you think he was referring to you. Mr. President?"

[marble falls]

18. We don't know why TACO maybe ate documents, perhaps he was using them to suppliment his fiber intake.

[BannonsLiver]

26. So what?

[BigmanPigman]

6. My, my, this seems so legit!

The whole thing was a scam and over 75% of the population is NOT buying it.

I hope it has the opposite effect of their desired staging of an assassination...more Americans are seeing him as a shady con artist liar and grifter. NO ONE IS BUYING THIS BS (not even his base as more and more facts are presented). MAGAts can now see that this psychotic sadist is a POS. They don't like being tricked and will not forget this "act".

[FoxNewsSucks]

8. It's a tactic out of the Putin playbook

Not surprising at all.

[Buddyzbuddy]

10. Wait, you mean Rat Face Miller used his wife and unborn child as a shield and he wasn't even within danger

of the shooter.
Oh man. Yup he's working for the right guy.

These Republicans are too much. From Hawley running through the corridors on Jan. 6th to the Felon falling on his big fat arse while S.S. tries to usher him out for his own safety to Rat Face looking like he sh*t his pants while using his wife and baby as a shield.

[marble falls]

14. Oh yes he did. He was terrified, like he had a vision of the Nurmburg Trials or the "Night of the Longknives".

[Buddyzbuddy]

19. Exactly my thoughts, too.

I would love to be there for the moment they take him away. .

[Boo1]

11. Well

it was technically an "attempt" on his life. I don't think there are any rules about an assassination attempt having to get close to working to still be an attempt.

But, it should highlight that security was absolutely fine at the venue considering that he never even made it on the same floor as his targets.

[marble falls]

15. What? You don't want to have a fair trial with a presumption of innocence? Whose side are you on???

[Ron Green]

21. Only one guy stayed with his salad.

I want to hear from him.

[Bluetus]

28. Maybe he was the producer of this theater

[Scrivener7]

29. I believe it was Robert Reich who said that 15 such attempts were made on Obama.

Don't quote me. I read it yesterday so I'm not sure I'm attributing it to the right guy, but I AM sure he said 15 attempts like this.

I'll also point out that, at the WHCD, for a shooter who wasn't even on the same floor, the secret service kept Cankles entirely covered until he was brought to a secure location.

Whereas, in the open air setting of Butler, PA, where they had no way of knowing if there was a second shooter, the secret service allowed him to be completely exposed as he posed for his little glamor shot.

Butler was a hoax.

[Wuddles440]

31. Plus,...

he apparently utilized the stairwell to avoid detection and ultimately gain access. Bizarre since security personnel should always be posted to monitor stairwells and deny access to any unauthorized personnel.