Why are people saying Cole Allen didn't fire his weapon?

[WarGamer]

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/27/cole-allen-whcd-arraigment-trump.html

Allen, 31, is also charged with transportation of a firearm or ammunition in interstate commerce, and discharge of a firearm during a crime of violence, a prosecutor said at his arraignment in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.

[Sogo]

1. What I have read is that Todd Blanche said the perp's shotgun was fired but the casing stayed inside the gun.

I don't know if that's possible, but they may be saying that to save face that the SS officer who was shot was possibly hit by friendly fire.

[WarGamer]

3. Shooter used a pump shotgun, didn't have time to cycle the next round, thus ejecting the first

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[dweller]

5. Reports say

It was a bolt action shotgun
A much more accurate gun for hunting purposes


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[WarGamer]

6. thats the pic... it's not bolt action lol

[dweller]

8. Yep

A pic of a gun


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[stopdiggin]

11. are we now claiming that publicly presented evidence is falsified?

On the basis of ... ?

Oh, right! Because every law enforcement personnel in the country is corrupt - and knee deep in conspiracy.
It's ... Well .. complicated. Ya' know?

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[dweller]

13. I acknowledged it's a pic of a gun

There’s no link to actual evidence that it is the gun used


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[Melon]

18. Read the articles. That's the gun used.

[Straw Man]

25. In that picture, the slide is in the rearward position ...

... so someone racked the slide, ejecting something. If the weapon was fired, it would have been the casing. If the weapon wasn't fired, it would have been a live round. It could have been done after the gun was confiscated, in order to render it safe. In any case, someone knows something, and there must be some hard evidence. A spent casing on the scene or still in the gun would indicate that the shotgun was fired. No casing = no firing.

I'd also like to know what kind of ammunition he was using. A 12-gauge slug can only be stopped by Level 4 body armor, not the Level 3 soft armor that plainclothes Secret Service agents wear under their coats. The agents in the tactical gear probably have Level 4 hard plates. In any case, these are all pertinent questions.

[WarGamer]

26. in his manifesto he said buckshot

[stopdiggin]

10. confusing terminology. the 'shell casing' is the part that DOESN'T spew out of the barrel

at thousands of feet per second. Routinely staying chambered in many actions until another round is physically 'racked' or chambered (i.e. pump action, bolt action, break action ..) The exception being a semi-automatic - which (is supposed to) automatically eject a shell casing while (again automatically) chambering and cocking on a new round, following every fired shot.

i.e. - Nothing unusual at all with a casing remaining in a gun. And I'm not sure why it would even bear comment - unless Blanche just doesn't have any idea of what he's talking about. (seemingly unlikely?)

[dweller]

2. Will wait for actual evidence

Allen, 31, is also charged with transportation of a firearm or ammunition in interstate commerce, and discharge of a firearm during a crime of violence, a prosecutor said at his arraignment in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.



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[WarGamer]

4. it's literally part of the complaint

https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1438241/dl

[dweller]

7. There is no

Attachment of facts at your link


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[leftstreet]

12. They're just throwing charges at him

There's no attachment of facts at the link, but it doesn't matter. They always throw out big charges initially

The Discharge of a firearm blah blah blah could become Use of a firearm

[obamanut2012]

28. Nope, it doesn't say what you are claiming

Good try, but nope.

[RockRaven]

9. Probably most people are saying that because they have seen other people say that.

Let's be honest, most people repeat stuff that feels good for them without checking into the facts themselves.

Of those who say that for other reasons, some may be interpreting Blanche's press conference statement that "sometimes bullets disappear" as a sign the allegation is bunk.

[obamanut2012]

29. No, because it's true

[oldmanlynn]

14. All those reporters there

And none of them saw the guy discharged a shotgun in person. I mean, where is the witnesses?

[stopdiggin]

15. the man never reached the room

(according to some accounts not even the same floor) where the crowd was congregated.

If you look at the footage of the man rushing security checkpoint - - - Deserted hallway. Nowhere near 'reporters' / attendees.

[Cerulean Southpaw]

33. Wolf Blitzer

I read that Wolf Blitzer said he saw it

[womanofthehills]

44. Malcolm Nance retweeted Secret Service fired all 4 shots

Link to tweet

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Secret Service security fired all 4 shots

Remember when Charlie Kirk was killed - Patel said he got the guy a few hours after the murder. it was a young 25 yr old in the audience named Zachariah Qureshi - a kid who happened to be 25 feet from the murder as he was waiting in line to talk to Charlie. His name was released and his family got big time threats at their Texas home. His father is a longtime navy officer & big time defence contractor. Anyway- it was Kash Patel who announces we got the guy when they picked up Zack. (Who they released after two hrs of questioning ) How can we believe anything they tell us as they all lie.

[dpibel]

16. You just cannot be this naive.

The allegations in a charging document are exactly that.

Read the actual charging document. Point me to the part where it specifically says he shot his gun.

I think you cannot do it.

A charging document is what the prosecution claims it can prove. It is not proof. It's not even evidence.

Please. Follow the dictates of your sig line.

[WarGamer]

17. So they're charging him with discharge of a firearm... but he never fired?

Ok, got it!

[dpibel]

19. Read the charging document

I don't believe you have.

But glib will take you far.

[obamanut2012]

30. Because it doesn't say that

I know what you are doing. It isn't working.

[dpibel]

20. Just as a crutch for you

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782.1.1_1.pdf

Read paragraph 13.

What does it say about who fired a shot?

[ColoringFool]

21. THANK YOU! 👍👍👍👍👏

[obamanut2012]

31. He is calling out my OP saying Allen

Didn't fire.

Hevis confidently incorrect.

Thx!

[ColoringFool]

22. A "CHARGE" IS JUST THAT. IT IS NOT CONSIDERED "FACT" OR "PROOF."

BECAUSE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

A GUNSHOT "WAS HEARD."

A SECURITY OFFICER "WAS WOUNDED."

NOWHERE IN THE CHARGING DOCUMENT ARE THOSE TWO EVENTS SAID BY EYEWITNESSES TO BE CONNECTED TO COLE ALLEN.

Sure, this could be 2 + 2 = 4;

but it could also be 2 + 2 = 5, aka "friendly fire."

[FHRRK1]

23. Dude - we HAVE to meet

You are the most enigmatic person who posts here. I'm in SoCal too. Will buy you breakfast (if Orange County) lunch or dinner any day next week from the border thru LA.

It is just fascinating that some of your posts are thought proviking then others feel like flat out trolling.

Seriously, send me a message.

[dpibel]

24. LOL

Please do keep the rest of us posted.

You're not the only person burnt up with curiosity.

[BannonsLiver]

42. What is the borscht scene like in SoCal?

[obamanut2012]

27. Nope, it isn't in the filing

Blanche also refused to say it.

You are wrong.

[DFW]

32. Here in DC

Local reporting says he discharged his shotgun, but not his handgun. I haven’t see any updates on that in tonight’s news broadcasts.

Any difference in the caliber and make from the standard SS issue would point to Allen having taken a shot, which even the most primitively outfitted police lab would confirm or deny within fifteen minutes. Examination of the slug would hardly have taken much longer, and the Trumpanzees would have been crowing it from the highest hilltop, calling up the heads of CBS “News” and Fox to make sure the story was the lead-off item for the next 24 hour news cycle.

[obamanut2012]

38. Now Blanche is saying bullets just "sometimes disappear" when fired inside

lol what?

Like you said, it would have been all over the place.

[DFW]

40. Ah, now I get it. Bullets just disappear.

OK, let me ponder the physics of this. Somebody fires a gun. The bullet strikes the bullet-proof vest of a Secret Service agent, but does not penetrate through to the man´s body, so he has no slug inside him. If the bullet did not penetrate through to his body, then it is still in the vest, and therefore accessible. The temperature at which a metal bullet would evaporate is high enough that the vest (and the guy wearing it) would have melted long before the bullet did. Ergo, the bullet did NOT disappear. It is still in the vest, or else, if already recovered, it is wherever it was ordered to be stored. Ergo, total cover up.

In addition to the wandering bullet, I have seen conflicting reports on the health of the vest-wearing agent. At first, he was "fine." Quickly treated from the bruise from the impact and then released. THEN he was badly injured, and was being treated at an unnamed location. The latest was, "what injured agent? Oh, THAT injured agent. I don't know, Why are you bothering me about this?" I.e. he was hit by gunfire from his trigger-happy colleagues, and you'll never hear that from us, so stop raising the subject.

If anyone is curious to know when the next "assassination attempt" will be, just check the next impeachment trial date, and the moment when even right-wing media says Trump is in danger of being convicted by two thirds of the Senate. That's when the next time will be--unless Melania serves him with divorce papers beforehand.

[Blues Heron]

34. According to Blanche they're having trouble locating the bullet(s) and may never find it!

[obamanut2012]

36. He said sometimes bullets just disappear!

Just POOF.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

35. Once again, we see how many people understand the process of legal prosecution, and how many simply do not.

[obamanut2012]

37. This and my OP fascinated te

Some of the replies, not even reading filings, etc.

[Torchlight]

39. Why do you think?

[BannonsLiver]

41. Bless your heart.

[ColoringFool]

43. Who Shot The Secret Service Agent? 🤔

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cole-tomas-allen-court-case-new-filing-april-29-9.7181984