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DFW

(60,376 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 12:23 PM Apr 29

In ancient Rome, it was said that emperor Caligula was insane because he named his horse a consul

And yet, in today’s America, we are supposed to think that it’s OK for Trump to keep Hegseth on as Secretary of Defense?

I think we’d be better off with the horse.

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In ancient Rome, it was said that emperor Caligula was insane because he named his horse a consul (Original Post) DFW Apr 29 OP
He named the horse's ass Jerry2144 Apr 29 #1
He's *part* of a horse, though. Ocelot II Apr 29 #2
Caligula means little boots SocialDemocrat61 Apr 29 #3
We would certainly be better off with the horse! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 29 #4
And karma caught up with Caligula dalton99a Apr 29 #5
Looks more like Zuckerberg than Trump. LudwigPastorius Apr 29 #21
Incitatus leftstreet Apr 29 #6
Whinny. erronis Apr 29 #12
FWIW, he never actually did it... WarGamer Apr 29 #7
That makes perfect sense DFW Apr 29 #11
That's why musk bought twitter - to control the slander (and inject his own.) erronis Apr 29 #13
SIMILARLY, "He was so crazy he named his horse a Consul" Became Whitewashed... ColoringFool Apr 29 #18
I read Winterlings book on Caligula... WarGamer Apr 29 #22
One of my favorites. Emperor Caligula and his horse Incitatus, the horse he rode in on. usonian Apr 29 #8
LOL leftstreet Apr 29 #10
Damn - those are great! erronis Apr 29 #14
I grabbed the first two from image search. usonian Apr 29 #19
I think all Trump appointees are equivalent to Caligula's horse.. ananda Apr 29 #9
He sure loves to grandstand. Obviously that weekend couch at Fox wasn't..... OGBuzz Apr 29 #15
Well, with Kegbreath...... lastlib Apr 29 #16
They said "horse", not "horse's ass". Initech Apr 29 #17
Trump's cabinet is nothing but horse. LudwigPastorius Apr 29 #20

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,832 posts)
4. We would certainly be better off with the horse!
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 12:39 PM
Apr 29

They are intelligent animals, after all.

Way more intelligent than Hegseth!

dalton99a

(95,105 posts)
5. And karma caught up with Caligula
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 12:45 PM
Apr 29
Damnatio memoriae is a term we use to describe a Roman phenomenon in which the government condemned the memory of a person who was seen as a tyrant, traitor, or other sort of enemy to the state. The images of such condemned figures would be destroyed, their names erased from inscriptions, and if the doomed person were an emperor or other government official, even his laws could be rescinded. Coins bearing the image of an emperor who had his memory damned would be recalled or cancelled. In some cases, the residence of the condemned could be razed or otherwise destroyed.


WarGamer

(18,824 posts)
7. FWIW, he never actually did it...
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:00 PM
Apr 29

the only source for this fairy tale is Suetonius, the "TMZ" of the 2nd century

"...it is even said that he intended to make him [Incitatus] consul." (...consulatum quoque destinasse)



Gaius Caesar Germanicus, aka Caligula... has been tarred and feathered for 2000 years, most of the accusations are probably false. His reputation was ruined by decree, the Damnatio Memoriae... where the Senate, after his death ordered his name and likeness to be stripped from public view. And his reputation sullied.

Modern writing about GCG points to more of a "troll" than an insane person. Violent and cruel, sure... as most of them were, but insane is mostly fiction.

Example:

He actually may have said once "You Senators are sooo useless, feckless fools that my horse, Incitatus could serve as Consul"

And that morphs into "Caligula was so crazy he made his horse a consul"

DFW

(60,376 posts)
11. That makes perfect sense
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:33 PM
Apr 29

It wouldn't be the first time that a carefully spread rumor supplanted reality, as everyone that has studied a post-Eisenhower Republican administration is well aware.

ColoringFool

(981 posts)
18. SIMILARLY, "He was so crazy he named his horse a Consul" Became Whitewashed...
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:32 PM
Apr 29

Into "Caligula made a flippant remark that biased historians recorded as fact."

See how that works?

Kind of like our contemporaneous media "sane-washing" of Trump that we rightly note and criticize.

WarGamer

(18,824 posts)
22. I read Winterlings book on Caligula...
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 07:15 PM
Apr 29

He argues that Gaius was shaped by a terrible childhood, gained tremendous psychological self control while Tiberius was systematically killing his Mother and siblings... and evidence suggests that during his time in Capri he became close to his sister, Drusilla (later accused of molesting her) and after her illness and death, he snapped... he proclaimed she was to be regarded as a Goddess and those who didn't properly mourn her would be killed.

The main battle was the Senate vs Gaius Caligula... the Senate hated him. The public loved him. He was the final leader on the Julio-Claudian line after Julius Caesar, Augustus and Tiberius

Interesting note... historians say the tale about Gaius riding his horse across the Bay of Baiae atop a wooden platform aligned on top of hundreds of boats floating in the bay... was probably true.

usonian

(26,364 posts)
8. One of my favorites. Emperor Caligula and his horse Incitatus, the horse he rode in on.
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:06 PM
Apr 29
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220007444



The tale of Caligula’s horse, Incitatus, being appointed as a senator is one of the most outlandish anecdotes about the emperor’s supposed madness. Incitatus was not just any horse; by all accounts, Caligula lavished him with luxuries typically reserved for Rome’s elite. The horse lived in a marble stable, with an ivory manger, and was the recipient of jewelry and other decadent trappings of wealth. The story goes that Caligula was so enamored with Incitatus that he intended to make a farce of the senatorial proceedings by raising his horse to the high office of a consul.


https://historychronicles.org/caligula-a-mad-tyrant/






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Updated to include Orange Caligula ordering his soldiers to whip the sea.
Whip it good.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221167895

Caligula - the Mad Emperor who Declared War on the Sea



According to Suetonius and Dio, he summoned his legions to the shore, arranged them in battle formation, and ordered them to prepare for an assault on the sea.

Trumpets sounded, arms were raised, and the soldiers awaited further instructions as if facing a real enemy.

Then, with no warning, Caligula dismissed the battle and declared victory. Ancient authors later interpreted this as a symbolic triumph over the god Neptune. Next, he instructed the troops to collect seashells along the beach and store them as trophies of the campaign.

According to these accounts, the shells were boxed and carried back to Rome as “spoils” of the conquest.



source: https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/caligula-attacks-the-sea/

usonian

(26,364 posts)
19. I grabbed the first two from image search.
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:40 PM
Apr 29

The third got a little massaging on the computer with GIMP.
Thanks.

ananda

(35,427 posts)
9. I think all Trump appointees are equivalent to Caligula's horse..
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:08 PM
Apr 29

only worse because they can do more than neigh.

OGBuzz

(497 posts)
15. He sure loves to grandstand. Obviously that weekend couch at Fox wasn't.....
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:09 PM
Apr 29

a big enough stage for him. Now I am more convinced than ever that it was Hegseth who talked Trump into attacking Iran because he wanted to be in this exact place, taking credit for saving the entire U.S. military.

LudwigPastorius

(14,937 posts)
20. Trump's cabinet is nothing but horse.
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:46 PM
Apr 29

I would even say that there are horse everywhere in his entire administration.

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