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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn ancient Rome, it was said that emperor Caligula was insane because he named his horse a consul
And yet, in todays America, we are supposed to think that its OK for Trump to keep Hegseth on as Secretary of Defense?
I think wed be better off with the horse.
Jerry2144
(3,308 posts)Secretary of Defense
Ocelot II
(131,110 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(7,959 posts)
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,832 posts)They are intelligent animals, after all.
Way more intelligent than Hegseth!
dalton99a
(95,105 posts)
LudwigPastorius
(14,937 posts)leftstreet
(41,201 posts)Easy enough to modernize for Hegseth:
Incel-tatus
WarGamer
(18,824 posts)the only source for this fairy tale is Suetonius, the "TMZ" of the 2nd century
"...it is even said that he intended to make him [Incitatus] consul." (...consulatum quoque destinasse)
Gaius Caesar Germanicus, aka Caligula... has been tarred and feathered for 2000 years, most of the accusations are probably false. His reputation was ruined by decree, the Damnatio Memoriae... where the Senate, after his death ordered his name and likeness to be stripped from public view. And his reputation sullied.
Modern writing about GCG points to more of a "troll" than an insane person. Violent and cruel, sure... as most of them were, but insane is mostly fiction.
Example:
He actually may have said once "You Senators are sooo useless, feckless fools that my horse, Incitatus could serve as Consul"
And that morphs into "Caligula was so crazy he made his horse a consul"
DFW
(60,376 posts)It wouldn't be the first time that a carefully spread rumor supplanted reality, as everyone that has studied a post-Eisenhower Republican administration is well aware.
erronis
(24,410 posts)ColoringFool
(981 posts)Into "Caligula made a flippant remark that biased historians recorded as fact."
See how that works?
Kind of like our contemporaneous media "sane-washing" of Trump that we rightly note and criticize.
WarGamer
(18,824 posts)He argues that Gaius was shaped by a terrible childhood, gained tremendous psychological self control while Tiberius was systematically killing his Mother and siblings... and evidence suggests that during his time in Capri he became close to his sister, Drusilla (later accused of molesting her) and after her illness and death, he snapped... he proclaimed she was to be regarded as a Goddess and those who didn't properly mourn her would be killed.
The main battle was the Senate vs Gaius Caligula... the Senate hated him. The public loved him. He was the final leader on the Julio-Claudian line after Julius Caesar, Augustus and Tiberius
Interesting note... historians say the tale about Gaius riding his horse across the Bay of Baiae atop a wooden platform aligned on top of hundreds of boats floating in the bay... was probably true.
usonian
(26,364 posts)
https://historychronicles.org/caligula-a-mad-tyrant/
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Updated to include Orange Caligula ordering his soldiers to whip the sea.
Whip it good.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221167895
Caligula - the Mad Emperor who Declared War on the SeaAccording to Suetonius and Dio, he summoned his legions to the shore, arranged them in battle formation, and ordered them to prepare for an assault on the sea.
Trumpets sounded, arms were raised, and the soldiers awaited further instructions as if facing a real enemy.
Then, with no warning, Caligula dismissed the battle and declared victory. Ancient authors later interpreted this as a symbolic triumph over the god Neptune. Next, he instructed the troops to collect seashells along the beach and store them as trophies of the campaign.
According to these accounts, the shells were boxed and carried back to Rome as spoils of the conquest.
source: https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/caligula-attacks-the-sea/
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erronis
(24,410 posts)usonian
(26,364 posts)The third got a little massaging on the computer with GIMP.
Thanks.
ananda
(35,427 posts)only worse because they can do more than neigh.
OGBuzz
(497 posts)a big enough stage for him. Now I am more convinced than ever that it was Hegseth who talked Trump into attacking Iran because he wanted to be in this exact place, taking credit for saving the entire U.S. military.
lastlib
(28,526 posts)we have HALF the horse...........
Initech
(109,145 posts)Pete Hegseth is definitely the latter!
LudwigPastorius
(14,937 posts)I would even say that there are horse everywhere in his entire administration.

