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yaesu

(9,437 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:04 PM Apr 29

Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was the only Democrat who voted with fascists to bomb Cuba into dust

WASHINGTON ‒ A group of Democratic senators led by Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine tried ‒ and failed ‒ to advance a resolution prohibiting President Donald Trump from taking unilateral military action in Cuba, days after Havana publicly rejected U.S. demands.

In a mostly party-line April 28 vote, 50 Republicans and one Democrat blocked the Senate from taking up the measure. Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was the Democrat who voted across the aisle.

Two GOP lawmakers, Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Rand Paul of Kentucky, bucked their party, joining with Democrats in hopes of curbing Trump's actions in the Caribbean nation.

Democrats were aiming to keep the U.S. military from engaging in hostilities in or against Cuba without congressional approval. Trump has been warning of a takeover of Cuba, feeding anxiety among Democratic lawmakers who are fearful that negotiations with Havana are a pretense for an invasion.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/04/28/cuba-trump-war-powers-military-vote/89217072007/

Sen. Peter Welch, D-Vermont, told USA TODAY he thinks the Trump administration’s strategy in Cuba “is to crush them into dust.”

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Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was the only Democrat who voted with fascists to bomb Cuba into dust (Original Post) yaesu Apr 29 OP
The "voted with fascist to bomb Cuba into dust" headline is not really accurate AZJonnie Apr 29 #1
It's impressive hyperbole, though leftstreet Apr 29 #2
Well, the "other side" is even more consistently guilty of hyperbole if you ask me, esp. IQ47 himself AZJonnie Apr 29 #5
I try :o) and I'm never concerned about hurting fascist feelings lol. nt yaesu Apr 29 #6
Well, he voted with the fascists and they want to bomb cuba into dust according to Sen. Peter Welch, D-Vermont, told USA yaesu Apr 29 #3
Without conditions being such that Fetterman positively knows Trump WOULD take us to war, if not stopped by Congress AZJonnie Apr 29 #7
The Iraq War vote derailed a lot of careers AZProgressive Apr 29 #17
Even a 51 - 49 vote against military action in Cuba, House of Roberts Apr 29 #9
It can mean diddly if it draws attention both the prospect of war with Cuba, its reasons, and Trump's unitary power. Ilikepurple Apr 29 #19
The Devil Is In The Disingenuous Details. I Can Say No More, Lest..... ColoringFool Apr 29 #14
Huh... 2naSalit Apr 29 #20
In both cases, Hillary and Fetterman are smart enough MadameButterfly Apr 29 #21
WTF. The GOP is out of control. Initech Apr 29 #4
God I can't stand him anymore Blue Owl Apr 29 #8
Sen. Fetidman is long past his "good til" date....... lastlib Apr 29 #10
We'll never know MissKat Apr 29 #11
I think Fetterman has suffered further brain damage La Coliniere Apr 29 #12
He really has deceived the voters in Pennsylvania kimbutgar Apr 29 #16
Give him a red hat and vote him out. Failure supreme. twodogsbarking Apr 29 #13
Yes, and make sure the cap can never be turned around exposing a blue relogic Apr 29 #15
When Rand Paul is wrong - he's REALLY wrong - but JustAnotherGen Apr 29 #18

AZJonnie

(3,960 posts)
1. The "voted with fascist to bomb Cuba into dust" headline is not really accurate
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:13 PM
Apr 29

I'm as down on Fetterman as one could possibly be, but that's not what the vote was. Just like Hillary didn't "Vote for the Iraq War". More accurate to say he (and she) voted to allow POTUS to decide whether to go to war, not "to go to war".

Doing the math here, had he voted with our side, Vance would've cast the deciding vote anyway in the 50/50 tie that would've ensued so it's largely symbolic (of the fact that he loves him some Donald J. Trump )

leftstreet

(41,201 posts)
2. It's impressive hyperbole, though
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:16 PM
Apr 29

The OP needs to go to work for the DNC. Good stuff

DURec

AZJonnie

(3,960 posts)
5. Well, the "other side" is even more consistently guilty of hyperbole if you ask me, esp. IQ47 himself
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:21 PM
Apr 29

But yeah, there's rather too much hyperbole going around generally IMHO

yaesu

(9,437 posts)
3. Well, he voted with the fascists and they want to bomb cuba into dust according to Sen. Peter Welch, D-Vermont, told USA
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:19 PM
Apr 29

TODAY he thinks the Trump administration’s strategy in Cuba “is to crush them into dust.”

AZJonnie

(3,960 posts)
7. Without conditions being such that Fetterman positively knows Trump WOULD take us to war, if not stopped by Congress
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:31 PM
Apr 29

then it's more accurately called a vote "to let Trump decide", rather than "to go to war". Much like Hillary's (and Kerry's) Iraq War votes were at the time. I've made this argument about their votes in that case many times over the years when people said "Hillary voted for the Iraq War", I've said "no, she didn't!", as I'm doing here. And I endeavor to keep logical consistency, even if I don't like the person that I may end up showing largesse to as a result. To the consternation of many at times

Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed at the guy, and it's better to err on the side of disallowing Trump to do ANY given thing he might want to do, clearly. IOW, it's still a dick move, regardless

IN REALITY this measure shouldn't even be NEEDED. It should be a GIVEN that he cannot start a war without Congressional Approval, outside the most extreme, pressing (and defensive) circumstances. Which these are CLEARLY NOT

AZProgressive

(29,960 posts)
17. The Iraq War vote derailed a lot of careers
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 03:30 PM
Apr 29

It was probably a big factor as to why Democratic primary voters favored Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008.

As far as Cuba the US with Trump is doing to them what Israel did to Gaza long before the conflict restarted, he is trying to starve them, so I would do everything possible not to enable him.

House of Roberts

(6,616 posts)
9. Even a 51 - 49 vote against military action in Cuba,
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:19 PM
Apr 29

doesn't mean diddly if Trump won't sign it.

Ilikepurple

(778 posts)
19. It can mean diddly if it draws attention both the prospect of war with Cuba, its reasons, and Trump's unitary power.
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 03:51 PM
Apr 29

Public opinion matters as proven by Trump’s ability to engage the electorate while not in office for four years. I believe votes like this matter, even if ultimately they do not become law. Optics matter, especially when the tie has to be broken by the executive branch or the will of the congress is to prevent a war as yet supported by evidence. If a 51-49 vote doesn’t mean diddly, then surely any advocacy on our part doesn’t matter unless we have the votes. The scholastic rock version of the political process isn’t the only one that matters.

ColoringFool

(981 posts)
14. The Devil Is In The Disingenuous Details. I Can Say No More, Lest.....
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 03:02 PM
Apr 29

I break the ToS.

"I didn't vote for people to get bitten. I voted only to give the cobra the choice whether or not to bite people."

2naSalit

(103,792 posts)
20. Huh...
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 03:52 PM
Apr 29

I interpreted the headline as cutting to the chase. The end result is that if you don't stop the ogre from doing something, you're basically telling him to go ahead because, in the end, that's what he's going to do anyway.

MadameButterfly

(4,140 posts)
21. In both cases, Hillary and Fetterman are smart enough
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 04:07 PM
Apr 29

to understand the ramifications of their votes.

Initech

(109,145 posts)
4. WTF. The GOP is out of control.
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 01:20 PM
Apr 29

And assholes like Fetterman are just enabling them. Can we fire him already?

lastlib

(28,526 posts)
10. Sen. Fetidman is long past his "good til" date.......
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:36 PM
Apr 29

The sooner we toss him for a true progressive, the better off we'll all be.

MissKat

(241 posts)
11. We'll never know
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:47 PM
Apr 29

What happened to the progressive John Fetterman I voted for?

When I heard him speak-- I got chills. I thought, this man understands what our country needs. He seemed so kind, so passionate.

I don't think I was fooled.

We'll never know, was it the stroke that nearly killed him or the treatment for depression?

Either something caused a personality change...or he is one hell of an actor.

I wonder what the rules for a recall are.

La Coliniere

(1,979 posts)
12. I think Fetterman has suffered further brain damage
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 02:56 PM
Apr 29

by taking too many spins on the head-banging roller coasters at Kennywood Amusement Park, right across the Monongahela River from where he lives…oh yeah, that stroke too. He needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Manchin and Sinema-like Democratic back stabbers cannot be tolerated anymore.

kimbutgar

(27,498 posts)
16. He really has deceived the voters in Pennsylvania
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 03:29 PM
Apr 29

And when he’s up for re election point out to the voters how he has deceived them and let them down.

I used to respect hi and now think he is a jerk and traitor.

relogic

(215 posts)
15. Yes, and make sure the cap can never be turned around exposing a blue
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 03:12 PM
Apr 29

brim like before, fooling me and many Pennsylvanians. His 180 degree spin was so fast and furious that hood of his was filled up like a hot air balloon.

JustAnotherGen

(38,104 posts)
18. When Rand Paul is wrong - he's REALLY wrong - but
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 03:32 PM
Apr 29

When he's right? He's on point. He's consistently against American Imperialism.

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