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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPush for raw milk intensifies across the US, despite illness outbreaks and scientists' warnings
Backers of raw milk are pushing to make the potentially dangerous product more widely available and easier to obtain, even as a new disease outbreak one of at least five in the past year sickens U.S. children.
More than three dozen bills supporting raw milk have been introduced in statehouses across the nation, The Associated Press found. A growing number of states are making it legal to sell. Dairy farmers say they can barely keep it in stock, even though prices can exceed $10 or $20 a gallon.
Top government officials and internet influencers are helping drive this momentum. U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. downed shots of raw milk at the White House last May and previously promised to halt aggressive suppression of the product. On social media, posts about raw milk have surged in recent months, often touting unproven claims about its health benefits.
All of this alarms public health officials, who have long warned that unpasteurized milk can harbor risky germs. The current outbreak tied to raw milk cheddar cheese from California-based Raw Farm has sickened nine people with E. coli, half of them children younger than 5. One victim developed a serious complication that can impair kidney function for life.
https://apnews.com/article/raw-milk-legislation-outbreak-02c67adf7845d188c41ab0af06e97869
Sounds like we have an epidemic of brainworms
Ritabert
(2,567 posts)Solly Mack
(97,199 posts)AloeVera
(4,367 posts)As someone who drank milk as a child straight after milking the cow by hand...I can say it is delicious and I never got sick from it, nor any family member, as far as I know. But knowing what I know now about its dangers, I think we were just lucky and careful.
It's not a good thing, but not everybody's at equal risk of even noticing that it's been ingested (at least a lot of strains ... Some are truly bad).
Who's at risk? Elderly and very young. I've known lots of people who drank a lot of raw milk--esp. because it was easily available at every grocery store and 7-11 (or similar store). I'd pick up a gallon every morning when working my summer job, mowing and mulching and spraying and trimming and staining fencing--and that was my lunch pail. At 8 am I'd open it and stow it in the shed, stopping by on occasion, and by quitting time around 5 pm I was finishing the last of it. (Fridge? Just shade.) Then again, I was in my 20s. Neither very young nor elderly. (Nor immuno-compromised.)
AloeVera
(4,367 posts)But not as much in the states as in Canada where sale of raw milk for human consumption was banned in 1991. In the U.S. 30 states still allow it. Just googled it. I'm shocked, sort of.
A gallon of milk to get you through a day of hard work is commendable. The wonders of youth!
Nice to reminisce though. I've been trying to recapture the taste and smell of that warm and funky milk of my youth! I can envision my small hands pulling at the cow's teats, remember disliking it, and my head against its warm stomach.
I have an iron-cast stomach. Can eat anything and not get sick. This is probably why lol. I built up immunity!
womanofthehills
(11,013 posts)Which is why I grow greens in my windows. My friend bought a huge vertical hydroponic solar farm for growing greens in her house with lights. Cost $800 but her living room is like a grocery store. More apt to get hospitalized than die from raw milk for the baby Some local friends make cheese from their own goats - raw milk.
My grandmothers first born is alive because of raw milk. She was on a train in early 1900s from California to NJ when her milk dried up (her husband just died). Conductor stopped train at a daily farm for her to run and get raw milk. She was so freaked the train would leave with her baby. Anyway my aunt thrived.
19982018 (21 years): 202 outbreaks linked to raw milk caused 2,645 illnesses and 228 hospitalizations. Deaths are not prominently highlighted in summaries but align with low single-digit totals across broader periods. fda.gov fda.gov
20132018 (6 years): 75 outbreaks, 675 illnesses, 98 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths. pritzkerlaw.com stacks.cdc.gov
(Zero to one death listed for past year) - mostly hospitalizations.
marble falls
(72,459 posts)... by state inspectors, I knew the lady who milked her in a spotless milking room, and packaged in a milk room that was inspected regularly by the county.
I would never touch it now because regulations has been weakened and inspection regimes underfunded. Politics have made it unsafe. When I see a MAGA cowboy selling it here in Texas, I can see the cow hair in the jars, sometimes I see that slight pink tinge that tells me that this is days old, under refrigerated and starting to turn. Will not even get near their their soft cheeses.
Thanks a whole lot, Ronnie fucking Reagan. I got Brucillosus two years ago. It took a while to diagnose because while I live near cattle ranches, I have no contact with cattle or cattle dog or eat unpasturised dairy products. I know two other people who've had it - both veterinarians, one who has a local large animal practice and one who went to Montana to vaccinate buffaloes and got got stuck by a needle. It was no fun at all.
ananda
(35,427 posts)There are so many calcium and milk alternatives,
and they work fine.
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flvegan
(66,472 posts)Oh good. Idiots driving this momentum towards/joined by other idiots. What could possibly go wrong?
2naSalit
(103,792 posts)Their bots.
Cirsium
(4,078 posts)I just snort milk off of toilet seats. Never hurt me!
buzzycrumbhunger
(2,125 posts)I lived next door to my Brownie troop leader. One Saturday, they took us on a field trip to a friends farm, where they always got their milk
fresh from the cow! When we got back, they served up a glass for everyone and I took one sip and found it warm and revolting. Left my glass on the piano with the hope that no one would notice and urge me to drink it up.
Next morning, about 10 hours later, I was over there playing and was mortified to notice the glass was still therenow a weirdly dark brown colour
I cant recall that their family was notably sick in the time I knew them, but it sure put me off milk in general, and raw milk in particular. Of course, I realized in later years that I cant handle dairy at all and eventually went vegan. Give me almond, oat, pea, or oat milk anytimeno mucus, no bloating, and I cant remember the last time I had a real sinus headache.
What Id like to know is how Bobby Jr. has ingested all this weird shit all these years and hes still here to croak about itinstead of just croaking?
2naSalit
(103,792 posts)Countered by all the drugs he uses!
Cirsium
(4,078 posts)And they can snort cocaine off of a toilet seat.
People are not free to sell things that can endanger public health, nor should they be.
What the hell? We cannot sell "falls" from the orchard any more - apples that have fallen to the ground. Why? Because there is a deadly E. Coli strain loose, and ONE dead child from a contaminated apple is one too many. That costs growers money, quite a bit of money. So what? We would rather lose money than kill children.
-misanthroptimist
(1,824 posts)If people want to bet their lives that they're smarter than scientists...well, that's their business, I guess.
But the ones who bet their children's lives just piss me off to no end.
Jack Valentino
(5,230 posts)"MORANS" (sic)
Jacson6
(2,145 posts)Some people.
2naSalit
(103,792 posts)Or pretty close to it, are lactose intolerant.
Why?
Because milk is for baby cows, human breast milk is for human babies. The people who are not lactose intolerant are people with pale skin and/or have genetic ancestry from the northern regions of Europe. This is historical fact. Milk drinking, from animals is not natural and most people can't digest it.
Besides, once a human reaches its third year, there is no nutritional need for it, otherwise we'd all still be nursing... for those whose mothers nursed them. Cow's milk is probably responsible for many physical maladies regarding bone density and muscle and brain development.
What happens when a cow is born? It gets up and starts to walk around, the milk is meant to promote the muscle and bone development needed to be a cow.
Humans, on the other hand, start brain development at birth, sure muscles and bone are developing too but not at the rate of brain development which is why we don't get up and start walking around for almost a year.
Anybody see that difference? This is why the myth of milk is a problem we should observe for our own good.
I use it in my coffee and once in a while I cook it into things but I don't drink the stuff, too slimy and it tastes awful on its own. Some fermented products are nice but for lactose intolerant folks, not a main item in their diets.
Initech
(109,145 posts)The only time I buy milk is to cook with and even then it's usually whole milk, which I don't drink.