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malaise

(297,576 posts)
Sun May 3, 2026, 07:22 AM Sunday

Does anyone care?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/02/israeli-militants-attack-west-bank-schools-settler-violence

‘Go inside, he will kill you’: Israeli militants step up West Bank school attacks

The Israeli reservist shot 14-year-old Aws al-Naasan in the head just outside the western gate of the Mughayyir boys’ secondary school, where he was studying in ninth grade.

Aws collapsed instantly, bleeding heavily. More shots rang out as his friends ran to his side, picked up his now-limp body and rushed him out of the line of fire, their path along the school wall marked by a trail of their classmate’s blood.

Footage from inside the building showed terrified children and teachers crouched in stairwells, shouting at others to get down. Another video captured the shooter, a reservist in partial military uniform, taking aim at the school from the hillside above.

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Does anyone care? (Original Post) malaise Sunday OP
This is unacceptable! surfered Sunday #1
I care Roy Rolling Sunday #2
Yes,.. But aren't expressions of concern, caring, and repulsion of the murder of innocent Palestinian children.. magicarpet Sunday #27
I'm 100 % in the same place. Permanut Sunday #60
Perhaps check out my answer to magicarpet pat_k Monday #88
I appreciate your tactful response.. Permanut Monday #90
Enough is enough, stop the hate, and B.See Sunday #62
We need to get louder and more persistent in our opinions and views. magicarpet Sunday #64
Absolutely. B.See Sunday #65
As you sort out the complicated feelings, perhaps... pat_k Monday #87
YEAH, it would be 'safer' to keep one's mouth shut, rather than to say that the Israelis Jack Valentino Monday #91
Yes, lots of people do. But not the ones with power to stop it. LymphocyteLover Sunday #3
The soldier may get some cursory moniss Sunday #4
No words for this. Joinfortmill Sunday #5
I have a few. calimary Sunday #42
;-{) SAVE THE CHILDREN Goonch Sunday #6
Caring is not and has never been reflected in US policies. Passages Sunday #7
We care. The hard right does not. sinkingfeeling Sunday #8
trDUMP appointing the radical extremeist Fascist KkKrishtun Southern Baptist Pastor, Mike Huckabee as,... magicarpet Sunday #31
They don't believe any of that Cirsium Sunday #40
I've said the very same here regarding religion and racism BaronChocula Sunday #43
No,... I think you are right,... magicarpet Sunday #48
Old Testament Cirsium Sunday #53
The New Testaments are way too full of the venom of "Wokeness". magicarpet Sunday #57
You have some good insights into this. lees1975 Sunday #84
That's not a bad analysis. lees1975 Sunday #83
"Slaughter of enemies",.... condoned in the Good Book,...oh boy that sounds like fun. magicarpet Monday #86
Sure. OldBaldy1701E Sunday #9
The sad truth malaise Sunday #16
It's time we as a country take Israel off the pedestal we put them on. KS Toronado Sunday #10
and they couldn't do this without our support MadameButterfly Sunday #18
I perpetually have to explain to people that the Jewish people AllyCat Sunday #28
Agree with you 100% BaronChocula Sunday #45
Not Henry Winkler. Talking about people who practice Judaism AllyCat Monday #89
The problem is that it is Nutty-yahoo, his Likud Party, AIPAC, the ADL and similar groups maxrandb Sunday #61
and there are many Israeli's who don't want to be equated with what Netanyahu MadameButterfly Sunday #72
It doesn't matter what Israelis or Americans "want" maxrandb Sunday #80
Stuff being donein our names MadameButterfly Monday #93
Putin bdamomma Sunday #68
Perhaps Bibi's apologists can assure us that this is all Hamas' fault... Orrex Sunday #11
You know you're an anti-Semite if democrank Sunday #12
Shooting a child in the head for Bettie Sunday #74
We care, but we seem to be in a minority. I used to think that such malevolence niyad Sunday #13
The harshest judgment awaits their future BeneteauBum Sunday #14
Systematic genocide perpetrated by a people who should know better if anyone should. paleotn Sunday #15
THIS malaise Sunday #17
Dusty old books of myth. Perfect description. AllyCat Sunday #30
I believe those "dusty books of myth" Wednesdays Sunday #32
If belief in those dusty,old books are so... relogic Sunday #50
RIGHT? Skittles Sunday #51
Is religion the reason? stage left Sunday #49
Yes. paleotn Sunday #55
The Jews like the Armenians suffered greatly from authoritarians and Fascists having run amok. magicarpet Sunday #56
Israel needs to sit in the corner and think about its behavior Ponietz Sunday #19
Remember Malala? Pakistan girl shot in head by Taliban for going to school. cbabe Sunday #20
Yes, irrational religious extremism is shared across the entire spectrum of religious thought and,... magicarpet Sunday #63
Settlers killed the boy's father in 2019. Kid Berwyn Sunday #21
Or what German soldiers used to do to Jewish kids in Eastern Europe Justice matters. Sunday #37
Breaks my heart, too. Kid Berwyn Sunday #41
I am repulsed by Israel now. Clear-cut ethnic cleansing/genocidal activity jmbar2 Sunday #22
Alas, I wish your first statement were true . . . PhylliPretzel Sunday #24
Yes, Israel has become repulsive. I'll wait for another lecture on how I am anti-Semitic. ratchiweenie Sunday #26
THIS malaise Sunday #29
70 plus % agree with Israel's actions, unfortunately questionseverything Sunday #35
I didn't realize it was that high jmbar2 Sunday #38
I'm a little outside my expertise here but I thought the idea was that they become an oppressor Ilikepurple Sunday #81
You are correct -- you added some nuance that I missed. jmbar2 Monday #85
Thank you for both the initial reference and the follow up application to world events. Ilikepurple Monday #94
I do and it's despicable. 😡 Dave Bowman Sunday #23
Disgusting leftstreet Sunday #25
When does the revulsion reach critical mass? AloeVera Sunday #33
Nailed it malaise Sunday #34
netanfucku need to go to prison w/ all his minions. pansypoo53219 Sunday #36
Many of us do. LoisB Sunday #39
Always makes the John Lennon song "Imagine" pop back into my mind. calimary Sunday #44
Recommended. H2O Man Sunday #46
Great post. I almost missed these gems. AloeVera Sunday #52
Out of the park malaise Sunday #59
Great post. I find it crazy that a Presidential Election that we just had 2 years ago swept it under the rug. Eko Sunday #69
K&R spanone Sunday #70
+ 100 nt cliffside Sunday #79
I care. n/t PatrickforB Sunday #47
yes mike_c Sunday #54
Racist Hatred is the laziest anger in the world. blm Sunday #58
.... and insidiously prevalent. Look at what the USSC just recent did with their racist ruling on the Voting Rights Act. magicarpet Sunday #67
Disgusting The Blue Flower Sunday #66
End the aid. Marcuse Sunday #71
Yes. I have been reprimanded here and elsewhere for saying that Nuttyahoo is acting like Mustache Man. OMGWTF Sunday #73
Right to defend. Has limits chicago guy Sunday #75
Millions care. Citizen lobbyists have an uphill battle, but they've been working for decades. pat_k Sunday #76
Important malaise Sunday #77
I care, in addition Israel has pushed further into Gaza controlling almost 2/3 of Gaza ... cliffside Sunday #78
Been reading aboutnthis malaise Monday #96
Sounds a little like what happens in US schools, or US streets adam_vermont Sunday #82
I posted about it two weeks ago. Such a horror. applegrove Monday #92
Must not be insensitive toward the... republianmushroom Monday #95

Roy Rolling

(7,681 posts)
2. I care
Sun May 3, 2026, 07:36 AM
Sunday

You care. We care.

The right people care.

The wrong people have more influence than intelligence.

Resist ‘til it hurts.

magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
27. Yes,.. But aren't expressions of concern, caring, and repulsion of the murder of innocent Palestinian children..
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:17 AM
Sunday

Just a gross and repulsive act of ANTI-SEMITISM against the State of Greater Israel.

I don't want to become unpopular or treated has low life scumbag by the Israeli lobby - because I voiced my concerns in a public setting for the murder and/or massacre, and/or genocide of children.

Isn't it much safer to just keep my mouth shut, shrug, and immediately look the other way ?

Pretending these atrocious and horrific atrocities simply are not taking place, for the sake of a Greater Israel and her expanding Mother Empire building efforts.

I am so torn, twisted and confused about my correct views here.
Should the USA condone Israel's murder of the innocents by providing copious quantities and endless amounts of guns, bullets, other munitions, bombs, missiles, and other hi tech and advanced military gear and equipment.

..... Or just say enough is FUCKING enough - and stop this
FUCKING madness.

Permanut

(8,527 posts)
90. I appreciate your tactful response..
Mon May 4, 2026, 02:26 AM
Monday

This is such a complicated issue, and I am not well informed.

B.See

(8,721 posts)
62. Enough is enough, stop the hate, and
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:14 PM
Sunday

give peace a chance. It has always been my point of view.

But it has also been my opinion that, the powers that be, don't want it.

magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
64. We need to get louder and more persistent in our opinions and views.
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:34 PM
Sunday

To evoke or provoke a change in the current status quo.

The Fascists, the warmongers, the oligarch class, and the defenders of the status quo - all need our push back like they have not experienced previously.

pat_k

(13,808 posts)
87. As you sort out the complicated feelings, perhaps...
Mon May 4, 2026, 02:03 AM
Monday

... check out some of the groups -- including Jewish groups -- who are lobbying for peace and justice. I've listed a handful of such groups in post 76.

FWIW, you might start with Our Core Story on the IfNotNow site. It sounds to me like the organization was born of struggling with the same questions you are. Excerpts below.

To our beloved Jewish communities:

How are we to find safety?

At this pivotal moment in human history, we come face-to-face with the question our people have confronted for thousands of years.

We have suffered scapegoating, persecution, inquisition, banishment, ghettoization, pogroms — and a shoah. In recent years, we have seen neo-Nazis march through the streets of Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us” and a white nationalist open fire on a synagogue in Pittsburgh one Shabbat morning...

Of course we are afraid. We carry thousands of years of historical trauma in our bones.

But how are we to find safety?

No more empty promises.

In response to that question, political and communal leaders from Europe and the US — some Jewish, most not — have made an empty promise: Jewish safety at the expense of Palestinian safety and freedom. By depicting the Israeli government and military as the representative of all Jews, and Palestinians and those who stand up for their human rights as the great threat facing us, western leaders have evaded accountability for their own antisemitic violence, and exploited our trauma for their own benefit.

For decades, they have used “Jewish safety” as a pretext for land theft, home demolitions, military checkpoints, annexations, trade sieges, night raids, bombing campaigns, and other means of forcibly dominating the Palestinian people — all enabled by endless funding from the US. Palestinians have not known a day of safety or freedom in decades as Israeli bombs massacre elders, parents and children in their homes, blockades starve people, and walls and checkpoints tear families apart.

These actions would be wrong even if they did achieve Jewish safety, but in fact they have not: none of this protected Israelis from the devastating horrors of the Hamas-led attack on October 7, 2023. Nor will safety emerge from the Netanyahu government’s campaign of death and destruction in Gaza, which human rights organizations, international legal experts, and preeminent Jewish Israeli Holocaust scholars consider a genocide — and which has left for dead the remaining Israeli hostages held in Hamas captivity.

Meanwhile, here in the US, leaders have made their own empty promises of safety through repression. According to them, the main danger to US Jews is the movement for Palestinian human rights, which they have tried to crush by smearing advocates as antisemitic — despite the strong Jewish presence among them — passing laws against non-violent boycotts, firing professors, endorsing definitions of antisemitism that prohibit criticism of Israel, and more.

None of this has made us safe...




Jack Valentino

(5,224 posts)
91. YEAH, it would be 'safer' to keep one's mouth shut, rather than to say that the Israelis
Mon May 4, 2026, 03:06 AM
Monday

are the NEW NAZIs---- not by words but by their deeds,
but I am SAYING it right here and now!

I was always more sympathetic towards Israel, until the past few years,
and especially since the GAZA GENOCIDE!

and I don't give a shit about who is jewish or not, I never had anything against jews,
so if you want to 'play the holocaust anti-semitic card' against me, go fuck yourselves---

as it turns out, the best examples of jews appear to NOT be those who reside
in the state of Israel!---- but perhaps those who reside in the US state of New York,
who despise what 'the state of Israel' has been doing the past few years!



I support cutting off ALL US aid to the current state of Israel,
in whatever form----
as the vast majority of Democrats in the US also now do!


The powers-that-be in Israel have now become what they formed their state
to defend against--- in-humanitarian barbarians and indeed, NAZIS!

(and it is NOT 'anti-semitic' to label Israelis as 'NAZIs',
when they are behaving as NAZIs'! I'm DONE with them.)


moniss

(9,130 posts)
4. The soldier may get some cursory
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:01 AM
Sunday

"review" or get some light punishment but in the eyes of the hard right in Israel he will be considered a hero and be celebrated.

Passages

(4,451 posts)
7. Caring is not and has never been reflected in US policies.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:26 AM
Sunday

U.S. citizens are a different story; most do care.

Independents’ Sympathies Shift Toward Palestinians in Past Year

excerpt:
Independents' Sympathies in the Middle East Situation
In the Middle East situation, are your sympathies more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx#:~:text=In%20terms%20of%20Americans'%20separate,%25%20to%2034%25%20last%20year.



magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
31. trDUMP appointing the radical extremeist Fascist KkKrishtun Southern Baptist Pastor, Mike Huckabee as,...
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:59 AM
Sunday

.... the USA's Ambassador to Israel kicked open this new KkKrishtun Crusade back into the Holylands. These wacko KkKrishtuns believe that if they fight a blood war and battle to the death - this usher in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ from the heavens to return back here on earth.

(Oh I almost forgot, djt's appointment of Pete KkKegsbreath as Secretary of War + Lethality played an intregral role in bringing this bloody to the death KkKrishtun Crusade into being so Jeebuzz would stop by for his second coming while finally claiming permanent domicile here on earth.)

Here Christ will remain to rule over Born Again KkKrishtuns who will live in ever lasting peace, tranquility, and a beautiful utopia. All non KkKrishtuns will then be banished from the earth by
their Jeebuzz for an eternity. While finally for those believers remaining -will be allowed to live in total absolute bliss - as they endlessly pray with their beloved Jeebuzz. Now fully and absolutely unencumbered by Socialist Commies,.. their ridiculous Wokeness,... and their DEI bullshit crap. Their GI Joe Jeebuzz will not put up or tolerate with this Progressive Pinko foolishness.

Cirsium

(4,072 posts)
40. They don't believe any of that
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:08 PM
Sunday

I don't think they believe any of that. All of that religiosity is just cover for their cruelty and bigotry. If they had a choice between keeping the "Christian" pretense but stopping the cruelty and bigotry, or giving up Christianity and keeping the cruelty and bigotry, which one do you think they would take?

BaronChocula

(4,692 posts)
43. I've said the very same here regarding religion and racism
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:26 PM
Sunday

in America. I once commented that Christian nationalism and white nationalism were pretty much indistinguishable. Christianity has been used to justify the most defining acts of white nationalism. Of course, someone came on and "corrected" me that the two were related but not the same. Forest, trees

magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
48. No,... I think you are right,...
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:18 PM
Sunday

Their CHRIST-ian-ity,.... you know, like the followers of Jesus Christ,...
.... but they know/or care nothing about the teaching of Christ. Hence this is why I invariable refer to these fakers as KkKrishtuns.. They wear the mask of KKKRISHTUNISM to give themselves the patina or put on the facade of that which is good, that which seem to indicate they are pious, benevolent, non-judgmental, fair, honest, etc., etc..But that is all only just a mask or their grand masquerade to trick and fool people.

Under the mask resides the real person. They are hateful, they are hurtful, they are extremely judgmental, they are critical of others, they would not lift merely a finger to help someone out, and as said above,... they are extremely cruel, they are dishonest, they cheat and steal, they inflict harm and injury as their source of entertainment and vile enjoyment, etc., etc..

They then have the audacity to wear and brag about these personal attributes like they were a badge of honor when surrounded and in the company of their like minded fake religious comrades and compatriots.

They are the dregs of society,... but trDUMP has given them a platform so they falsely think they are at the pinnacle of humanity making them far better than the every day average American, making them something special above all the rest.

They comprise the majority of the MAGA trash bin of defective and severely damaged people actively trying to bring our Democracy down because they were told and instructed to abhor anything construed as being Liberal and/or Progressive and/or forward thinking. KkKrishtun Fascists can not tolerate such evil things.

Cirsium

(4,072 posts)
53. Old Testament
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:01 PM
Sunday

Notice that they always cite stuff from the Old Testament. That erases Jesus from the picture.

magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
57. The New Testaments are way too full of the venom of "Wokeness".
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:59 PM
Sunday

The religious extremists have no time or patience for such poison.

The Wrath of the Heavens, plus Fire and Brimstone is more their likings and speed. A splash of violence is a good thing. It's more alpha, macho, and manly. Not so pinko,... as the teachings of Jesus Christ.

lees1975

(7,163 posts)
83. That's not a bad analysis.
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:38 PM
Sunday

There's actually a name for that particular viewpoint. It's called "Postmillenialism." It's a mishmash of selective cherry picking of bits and pieces of blblical text, all taken out of context. It claims that Christian history is divided into dispensations, and that allows the core principles of the gospel, which support absolutely none of this mess, to be bypassed and ignored. "thou shalt not murder," and "love thy neighbor" are last dispensation principles. In the new dispensation, God brings back slaugher of enemies.

magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
86. "Slaughter of enemies",.... condoned in the Good Book,...oh boy that sounds like fun.
Mon May 4, 2026, 12:22 AM
Monday

MAGA-LICIOUS.....

OldBaldy1701E

(11,433 posts)
9. Sure.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:31 AM
Sunday

What good did it do us when the powers that be are so far up Israel's ass? What good did it do when this nation has the level of cheerleaders that we have? But, they're convinced that their religion is going to save them, and that location is 'sacred' to them, so they are trying desperately to convince everyone that said location gives those who live there deific powers or something.

Some people tried to warn everyone. But, hey... those people are making lots of money over it, so I guess that makes it okay around here. The fact that those with power decided to mix in the profit, the evangelical religion, and the politics to try and justify their greed and bias when it comes to this particular nation is just horrifying.

The fact that we don't seem to care about this is... not surprising.

KS Toronado

(23,785 posts)
10. It's time we as a country take Israel off the pedestal we put them on.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:35 AM
Sunday

Nowadays they are pure evil just like our Government.

MadameButterfly

(4,137 posts)
18. and they couldn't do this without our support
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:00 AM
Sunday

There are many Israeli's against the violence who want Netanyahu brought to justice. I hate to think what would happen to them if the US withdrew it's protection. But we can't keep funding this kind of violence.

Of course, it's a moot point until Trump is out of office, and the damage will have been done by then. Netanyahu is aware he had free reign for another 2 1/2 years.

AllyCat

(18,961 posts)
28. I perpetually have to explain to people that the Jewish people
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:38 AM
Sunday

Are NOT Israel. I have several Jewish friends and acquaintances who abhor what the US and Israel are doing.

I mention anything about the Jewish people in the US and people in the group immediately start talking about Israel.

BaronChocula

(4,692 posts)
45. Agree with you 100%
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:43 PM
Sunday

about not equating Jewish people with Israel.
Except I'm curious about what you mean in the last sentence. Does that mean If you bring up, say, Henry Winkler some will jump right to Israel? Or if you bring up an attack on a synagog they jump right to Israel? That's pretty messed up.

AllyCat

(18,961 posts)
89. Not Henry Winkler. Talking about people who practice Judaism
Mon May 4, 2026, 02:08 AM
Monday

In general. Completely unrelated to politics and invariably, someone in the group starts talking about Israel.

Not the same thing, as you know.

I don’t feel I know enough to steer the conversation back to what I was talking about.

maxrandb

(17,488 posts)
61. The problem is that it is Nutty-yahoo, his Likud Party, AIPAC, the ADL and similar groups
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:06 PM
Sunday
that want you to equate Israel with the Jewish people. That way, Israel can do whatever the fuck it wants, and ANY criticism becomes "antisemitism".

Israel is using the memory of the holocaust to conduct its own...and that's pretty effing disgusting.

Just like in America, I am waiting for the "better angels", and wondering when the fuck they are going to show up and do something.

I'm not holding my breath.

MadameButterfly

(4,137 posts)
72. and there are many Israeli's who don't want to be equated with what Netanyahu
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:05 PM
Sunday

is doing. Any more than more than half of Americans don't want to be equated with Donald Trump and his misadventures.

maxrandb

(17,488 posts)
80. It doesn't matter what Israelis or Americans "want"
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:32 PM
Sunday

like it or not, every fucking fisherman being blown up in the Caribbean or Pacific, every drowning human being denied assistance by our Navy, every schoolgirl killed in Iran, every minority voter being disenfranchised, every American being shot in the face by ICE goons IS BEING DONE IN ALL OF OUR NAMES!!!

Israelis, just like Americans, are lying to themselves EVERYTIME they say; "this is not who we are".

Until we remove these fascists from office, SORRY, but this is precisely "who we are"!

MadameButterfly

(4,137 posts)
93. Stuff being donein our names
Mon May 4, 2026, 08:00 AM
Monday

does not make it who we are.

Yes we have to remove them. Not sure how to do that, though.

bdamomma

(69,608 posts)
68. Putin
Sun May 3, 2026, 06:13 PM
Sunday

is not off the radar......he is behind this all too. Seeing the US crash and burn was always his goal, with a puppet like DJT.

Orrex

(67,325 posts)
11. Perhaps Bibi's apologists can assure us that this is all Hamas' fault...
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:51 AM
Sunday

and that Hamas can end it whenever they want. To suggest otherwise is pure antisemitism, of course.


democrank

(12,664 posts)
12. You know you're an anti-Semite if
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:14 AM
Sunday

you protest an Israeli reservist shooting a child in the head.

Bettie

(19,817 posts)
74. Shooting a child in the head for
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:27 PM
Sunday

the terrible, terrible crime of....checks notes....attempting to go to school.

niyad

(133,708 posts)
13. We care, but we seem to be in a minority. I used to think that such malevolence
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:21 AM
Sunday

and cruelty existed in only a small number of people. Horrifyingly, I was wrong.

BeneteauBum

(704 posts)
14. The harshest judgment awaits their future
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:37 AM
Sunday

I may seem impossibly futile now but they will pay.

Peace ☮️

paleotn

(22,580 posts)
15. Systematic genocide perpetrated by a people who should know better if anyone should.
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:40 AM
Sunday

Also what happens when two peoples read dusty old books of myth and take them seriously.

malaise

(297,576 posts)
17. THIS
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:57 AM
Sunday

Also what happens when two peoples read dusty old books of myth and take them seriously.

Wednesdays

(23,016 posts)
32. I believe those "dusty books of myth"
Sun May 3, 2026, 12:49 PM
Sunday

But I don't use them as excuses for killing. That's the difference.

relogic

(210 posts)
50. If belief in those dusty,old books are so...
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:44 PM
Sunday

easily interpreted any way you want, I.e. to love and hate from Genesis to Revelation-belief might just be the problem and quite useful in either paradigms.

Skittles

(172,551 posts)
51. RIGHT?
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:47 PM
Sunday

I have no problem with people believing in nonsense but they never seem to be able to keep it to themselves

magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
56. The Jews like the Armenians suffered greatly from authoritarians and Fascists having run amok.
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:43 PM
Sunday

And then having Fascists joyfully attempt to commit genocide to expel, expunge, and eliminate an entire nationality of people.

How Benjamin Netanyahu - of Jewish ethnic heritage - currently the Premier of Israel and Masoud Pezeshkian - of Armenian ethic heritage - currently the President of Iran - how either men could conceivably think that ethnic cleansing and/or genocide is an acceptable means of dealing with an adversary tangled with in conflict, is the proper thing to do is astounding, shameful, and disgusting.

After what the Germans did to the Jews and what the Turks did to the Armenians you would think these men would have clearly learned the lessons that ethnic cleansings, genocide, and wiping a nationality of people off the face of the planet is a very nasty and unacceptable thing to contemplate doing or ever take action toward as such a reprehensible idea to even fathomeven contemplating. The history of their ancestors should inform that this type of thinking is inhumane and totally unthinkable.

Both of these men, both of their countries have been drawn to the fascistic ways of doing war. Both of these men and both of these countries have been guided and drawn into by factions of internal religious extremists who are tugging and yanking the strings of their government in the theaters of war to do the incomprehensible of committing war crimes. Both of these men and both of these countries have vocalized and acted upon ethnic cleansing as a means to resolve conflicts with their adversaries.

These men can do so much better than this. The United States should drag both men to a summit table, force them to put down their guns, bomb, and missiles. Bring all the various players in the Middle East together for a grand summit to hammer out a peace agreement that will put all this back stabbing and warmongering finally to rest to build a lasting and enduring peace in this region.

The warmongers and their profiteers must not be allowed to gum up the works of those involved in searching for peace.Never ending war is no longer workable or rational. We need to put our heads together and finally stop this madness of constant war.

cbabe

(6,763 posts)
20. Remember Malala? Pakistan girl shot in head by Taliban for going to school.
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:12 AM
Sunday

And Nobel prize winner.

https://m.

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magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
63. Yes, irrational religious extremism is shared across the entire spectrum of religious thought and,...
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:25 PM
Sunday

.... found in most radical religious teachings.

Kid Berwyn

(24,921 posts)
21. Settlers killed the boy's father in 2019.
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:16 AM
Sunday

His “crime,” apart from being born a Palestinian living on his ancestral land, was helping a neighbor who’d been injured in an attack.

The “settlers” are just doing “like the cowboys did to the Indians” in America, doncha know?

Justice matters.

(10,003 posts)
37. Or what German soldiers used to do to Jewish kids in Eastern Europe
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:13 PM
Sunday

Circa 1940-1943.

Now it's the other wrong way around.

Kid Berwyn

(24,921 posts)
41. Breaks my heart, too.
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:10 PM
Sunday

There is nothing we want more than for all people to live in peace.

To do so requires just one thing: Respect for all others.

Otherwise, hate will course through hearts filled with vengeance — and that hate only ends with genocide and leaves an eternally empty heart.

jmbar2

(8,115 posts)
22. I am repulsed by Israel now. Clear-cut ethnic cleansing/genocidal activity
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:24 AM
Sunday

I know that government policies don't reflect what average Israeli's feel, but it shows what happens when their version of MAGAs have absolute control.

Paolo Freire, in "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", said that the without consciousness of the dynamics of oppression, the oppressed eventually become the oppressors. It's similar to the rescue triangle in psychotherapy. Parties rotate from being the victim, the oppressor, and the rescuer.

That's why education systems need to teach how oppression works, to prevent it. We have removed all that curriculum now in the DEI purge.

US support for Israel needs to end. There's no difference between what they are doing, and what Russia is doing in Ukraine. The Israel victim card is expired.

PhylliPretzel

(225 posts)
24. Alas, I wish your first statement were true . . .
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:35 AM
Sunday

Polling in Israel show that the VAST majority of Jewish Israelis support the razing of Gaza, the West Bank, and south Lebanon. "Kill them all" is a popular sentiment.

malaise

(297,576 posts)
29. THIS
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:38 AM
Sunday

Paolo Freire, in "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", said that the without consciousness of the dynamics of oppression, the oppressed eventually become the oppressors. It's similar to the rescue triangle in psychotherapy. Parties rotate from being the victim, the oppressor, and the rescuer.

jmbar2

(8,115 posts)
38. I didn't realize it was that high
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:28 PM
Sunday

I was seeing coverage of the protests there that made it seem like they were ready for change. I guess, not yet. Praying that Bibi gets the dirt nap soon.

Ilikepurple

(775 posts)
81. I'm a little outside my expertise here but I thought the idea was that they become an oppressor
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:06 PM
Sunday

Of people within their group or other oppressed demographics. That is they learn the oppressors’ model and can’t help but emulate rather than liberating themselves from it. Here the roles do not shift as they do in the rescue triangle as much as they form a situation where the oppressed are somewhat compelled to find individuals or groups that they can themselves oppress. The oppressors at the top of the oppression chain can take advantage as the oppressed will focus more of their energy oppressing others and less fighting their own oppression. In post colonial times, rarely have the oppressed had opportunity to oppress its oppressors. I believe the work is about the dangers of learning through a fundamentally oppressive pedagogical structure that doesn’t allow for true dialog? I believe for Freire the way we learn must change as much as what we learn.
My aim isn’t to criticize your understanding, as I’m mainly just trying to get Freire’s ideas clearer in my mind. Thank you for posting this. For me, the idea of the oppressed, given a chance, will become the oppressor if they don’t understand the dynamics of oppression comes from a belief that we all share a fundamentally similar underlying nature. Given a demographic, there is rarely anything neurologically unique about its individuals or ideologically unique about its underlying culture that would prevent it to slip into oppressive behavior without a fundamental understanding of what oppression looks like and why it’s bad. I agree with Freire that the best way to learn this is through human dialog rather than as mere fact. For the same reason, I believe learning facts by way of AI and the internet often falls short of giving us a robust understanding of most subject matter.

jmbar2

(8,115 posts)
85. You are correct -- you added some nuance that I missed.
Mon May 4, 2026, 12:20 AM
Monday

At the most basic level, oppression tends to beget oppression because it replicates the power of the dominant group. Reminds me of the old cartoon of the man having a bad day at work, berating his wife and kids, and even the dog at home.

Israel is now committing atrocities reminiscent of what they experienced historically. In cases where genocides occur, there are always calls for outside nations to come make them stop - to rescue. That intervention can itself result in more horrors. I'm thinking of the case of Haiti where some of the rescue groups after the massive earthquake committed human rights violations that were common among the Haitian corrupt gangs and power elites.

In Israel's case, it's not that they don't recognize they are being genocidal. It is a conscious decision. That's the disconnect that I cannot fathom. With their history, how could they repeat it on others? And is there any outside pressure that can stop them?

Ilikepurple

(775 posts)
94. Thank you for both the initial reference and the follow up application to world events.
Mon May 4, 2026, 05:40 PM
Monday

In agreement with Freire, dialog, rather than merely cataloging information, is key to my understanding or at least makes what I know serve some function

AloeVera

(4,367 posts)
33. When does the revulsion reach critical mass?
Sun May 3, 2026, 12:54 PM
Sunday

What will it take?

This is heading towards a replay of 1947-48. Ethnic cleansing, terrorism, massacres and driving people off their lands and burning their towns and villages. It's already happening in Lebanon, with the burning replaced by modern means of scorched-earth.

When that starts happening in the OPT, no one should say they didn't know. There is clear evidence since 1947 for those who cared to know - or cared.

calimary

(90,583 posts)
44. Always makes the John Lennon song "Imagine" pop back into my mind.
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:26 PM
Sunday

Imagine
Song by John Lennon ‧ 1971

Lyrics:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: John Winston Lennon

H2O Man

(79,202 posts)
46. Recommended.
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:44 PM
Sunday

I'll take "Yes!" for a thousand, and a Daily Double.

Being old, I can remember way, way back to the 2024 election for president. A significant number of grass roots Democrats -- and an even larger number of independents -- were strongly opposed to what Netanyahu was doing in Gaza. They were told that the party couldn't question Israel, much less speak out against genocide. No, sir! Indeed, to put the stamp of approval on pretending it wasn't possible, they brought the pre-corpse of necroconservative Dick Cheney on stage to endorse our ticket's silence on the genocide.

Yet, as John Lennon said, "A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words." So a bunch of people who thought, "WTF? Isn't being anti-genocide a democratic value?" opted to not vote. Thus, a convicted sex offender/felon won. Those who had assured us that we could only win by ignoring genocide began to put the blame for the loss on the anti-genocide people, who had allowed morals, ethics, and placing value on human life, gosh darn them!

As time has gone on, as it frequently tends to do, more and more people -- including both Democrats on the grass roots' level who do not get donations from AIPAC -- began to recognize that people like those silly college students protesting against the genocide in Gaza were actually right. And they began to learn that, despite main stream media's failure to report on it, that Netanyahu & fiends planned to take over the West Bank as well. This, of course, is because they watch pod casts, or see accurate reports elsewhere on this pesky internet.

Few things could have forced more citizens at the grass roots level to question our nation's unquestioning support of Netanyahu and Israel more than, say, a sneak attack on Iran for the second time during negotiations. And I should add that those savage Iranians wanted to stock up on defensive weapons, just in case some civilized nations were to engage in an unprovoked attack against them. And now that the president is caught in the quicksand with no face-saving way out, he and his misadministration are attacking pod casts. Check out the threat of a law suit by Eric, because Meidas Touch reports accurately which way the wind blows. And we can't have that.

I think that a growing number of grass roots Democrats recognize that we have to crush the maga party in November. That holds the potential for a Congress that at least tries to stop the madness in the Middle East. And that includes stopping the murder of citizens of the West Bank, and the outright theft of their homes and property. If we fail to do so, the West Bank will be subject to more of the insane violence we are seeing in the region. Maybe it's just me, but I think we need to consider electing candidates who refuse to accept blood money/thirty pieces of silver from pro-Netanyahu sources.

AloeVera

(4,367 posts)
52. Great post. I almost missed these gems.
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:49 PM
Sunday

"pre-corpse of necroconservative Dick Cheney"

"Netanyahu and fiends"



As for your thoughts, no it's not just you. This is what happened. Some of us saw the unfolding catastrophe in real-time while others are now catching up. We can only hope it results in positive change.

Eko

(10,048 posts)
69. Great post. I find it crazy that a Presidential Election that we just had 2 years ago swept it under the rug.
Sun May 3, 2026, 06:43 PM
Sunday

And that people continue to blame the ones who pointed out this horrid affront to humanity for losing the election.

magicarpet

(19,237 posts)
67. .... and insidiously prevalent. Look at what the USSC just recent did with their racist ruling on the Voting Rights Act.
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:56 PM
Sunday

With the wave of their Fascist magic wand,... poof - states can now redraw, breakup, and dilute Black voting district on a national basis. The red state voting districts will now take a pounding, coutesy of the USSC and Chief Justice Roberts.The larger number of Blacks in the US House will soon rapidly diminish because their districts will be gerrymandered out of existence by redrawing the voting district maps. So the voting power of Black citizens are once again severely negated.

OMGWTF

(5,201 posts)
73. Yes. I have been reprimanded here and elsewhere for saying that Nuttyahoo is acting like Mustache Man.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:13 PM
Sunday

Prove me wrong.

chicago guy

(52 posts)
75. Right to defend. Has limits
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:43 PM
Sunday

I have no objection to Israel defend itself. I do have an issue with killing anyone because sometime in the future they may decide to harm you! Truly this only promotes further violence and install s hate. You killed my mother, father, brother, sister, cousin now I am going to seek revenge. Just look to trump he is out to revenge any one he thinks did him a bad. Israel is doing that now. WTF

pat_k

(13,808 posts)
76. Millions care. Citizen lobbyists have an uphill battle, but they've been working for decades.
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:12 PM
Sunday

And inroads are being made. Perhaps the wins seem small, but even small victories are worthy of celebration.

In the U.S.

AJP Action
https://ajpaction.org/
Unapologetically organizes, mobilizes, advocates, and lobbies to advance Palestinian freedom, dignity, and self‑determination by working to end U.S. support for Israeli settler colonialism, apartheid, and military occupation.

JVP Action: Jewish Voice for Peace
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Jewish Voice for Peace is the largest progressive Jewish anti-Zionist organization in the world. We’re organizing a grassroots, multiracial, cross-class, intergenerational movement of U.S. Jews into solidarity with the Palestinian freedom struggle, guided by a vision of justice, equality, and dignity for all people.

US Campaign for Palestinian Rights
https://uscpr.org/
As part of a global movement for collective liberation, we work to end U.S. complicity in Israel's massive violence against the Palestinian people. We will keep fighting until we end all U.S. military funding to Israel and Palestine is free.

IfNotNow
https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/
We are a movement of U.S. Jews organizing our community to end U.S. support for Israel's apartheid system and demand equality, justice, and a thriving future.

No More Weapons for Israel's War (Coalition)
https://demandprogress.org/57-groups-to-senate-no-more-weapons-for-israels-war
A coalition of 57 progressive, faith-based, and humanitarian organizations launched in November 2024 to lobby the U.S. Senate to support Joint Resolutions of Disapproval (JRDs) aimed at blocking arms sales to Israel

American Friends Service Committee
https://afsc.org/topics/gaza-israel
Bringing together people of all faiths and backgrounds to challenge injustice and build peace around the globe.

And of course other humanitarian and human rights groups like Amnesty Internation, Human Rights Watch, and Oxfam

And a hell of a lot of Israelis care.

B'Tselem: The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide

Physicians for Human Rights–Israel
https://www.phr.org.il/

Breaking the Silence
https://www.breakingthesilence.org
An organization of veteran combatants that collects and publishes testimonies from Israeli soldiers regarding unethical behavior and potential war crimes committed during military operations.

Yesh Din - Volunteers for human rights
https://www.yesh-din.org/
Established in 2005 and has been working to protect the human rights of Palestinians in the West Bank who are subject to the Israeli military occupation.

Gisha (literally: access. AKA Legal Center for Freedom of Movement)
https://gisha.org/en/
Gisha is an Israeli not-for-profit organization, founded in 2005, whose goal is to protect the freedom of movement of Palestinians, especially Gaza residents. Gisha promotes rights guaranteed by international and Israeli law.

HaMoked (literally: the center. AKA Center for the Defence of the Individual)
https://hamoked.org/
Protecting the basic rights of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation

The Hind Rajab Foundation
https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/
Demanding Accountability, Seeking Justice
The Hind Rajab Foundation is devoted to breaking the cycle of Israeli impunity and achieving justice for all the victims of the Gaza genocide.

Standing Together
https://www.standing-together.org/en/about-en
We envision a society that serves all of us and treats every person with dignity. A society that chooses peace, justice, and independence for Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Arabs. A society in which we all enjoy real security, adequate housing, quality education, good healthcare, a liveable climate, a decent salary, and the ability to age with dignity.
Such a society is possible – we’re already building it.

cliffside

(1,769 posts)
78. I care, in addition Israel has pushed further into Gaza controlling almost 2/3 of Gaza ...
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:53 PM
Sunday

they released new maps a few days ago. There was a yellow line, now there is an orange line in Gaza as well. Let's not forget about Lebanon.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXzHUezDlJ6/

"democracynow
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Israel's military has issued new maps of the Gaza Strip showing it controls significantly more territory beyond what it agreed to in the U.S.-brokered ceasefire last October.

Reuters reports the restricted area, marked on the maps with an orange line, ​makes up some 11% of Gaza's territory beyond a so-called Yellow Line. As a result, Israel now claims control over about two-thirds of Gaza."


Israel’s ‘orange line’ in Gaza tightens movement and aid access

5 minutes

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