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usonian

(27,036 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 12:51 AM 23 hrs ago

This time, Trump and Netanyahu have really fallen out (followup to How to lose a war in three easy steps)

https://archive.is/20260618021444/https://www.ft.com/content/e14a6abe-f6fa-43d0-bbef-22139953e7b9#selection-1443.0-1443.53

Followup to:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221317865
How to lose a war in three easy steps.


Put yourself in Donald Trump’s shoes. It was his 80th birthday and he was planning to cap White House festivities with his US-Iran deal. The agreement nearly unravelled, however, when Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu ordered a Sunday evening strike on Beirut. A flurry of White House calls averted Iranian retaliation. Assurances were given via mediators and the deal was saved. Trump’s late Rome-flavoured cage fight could go ahead.

But Trump was still in a foul mood. “Why did Bibi have to do a fucking attack?” he told Axios. “I was so pissed off. I let him know. He has no fucking judgment. I let him know that.” The answer to Trump’s question is that his Iran deal is likely to be a political death sentence for Netanyahu. He thus has every incentive to reignite Gulf war III. He has bet his own and Israel’s future on getting Trump to bring about regime change in Iran. That bet has exploded in his face.

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Netanyahu sold Trump and his own public on the idea that, after 47 years, Iran’s theocrats were finally meeting their Waterloo. All Operation Epic Fury required was some lethal targeting and the Iranian people would do the rest.

Rarely has a geopolitical roll of the dice gone so rapidly wrong. Netanyahu played on Trump’s vanity to help convince him to start this war. That same vanity will now be deaf to any future bridges Netanyahu might try to sell.


In's and out's at the link.
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This time, Trump and Netanyahu have really fallen out (followup to How to lose a war in three easy steps) (Original Post) usonian 23 hrs ago OP
Bibi's got the goods on Don. Lots of foreign powers do, too. OAITW r.2.0 23 hrs ago #1
I'd like to kick back and enjoy a good old Father's Day shootout between the two. usonian 22 hrs ago #2
Is it a trap? Johnny2X2X 22 hrs ago #3
The language was pretty hot, not in Trump's usual vocabulary. usonian 22 hrs ago #4
If Trump were to cut off all support for Israel should they contine the war in Lebanon, that war would end today. Fil1957 21 hrs ago #5
The lobbying is out of this world. usonian 21 hrs ago #6
Where is Dershowitz to tell us his opinion rpannier 20 hrs ago #7
How many times have we been told, Haggard Celine 20 hrs ago #8
It was "supposed" to liberate Iran from tyrannical IRG rule. usonian 17 hrs ago #10
I'm thinking the Iranians stroked Donnie's ego Dr. T 19 hrs ago #9
"He has no f**king judgment." tanyev 16 hrs ago #11

usonian

(27,036 posts)
2. I'd like to kick back and enjoy a good old Father's Day shootout between the two.
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 01:08 AM
22 hrs ago


I'll be mixing a whole lot of margaritas as well,

Johnny2X2X

(24,571 posts)
3. Is it a trap?
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 01:27 AM
22 hrs ago

Is this falling out being faked so the GOO can pretend they’re not down with Israel and say the Dems want genocide in Gaza?

usonian

(27,036 posts)
4. The language was pretty hot, not in Trump's usual vocabulary.
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 01:38 AM
22 hrs ago

And he's a piss-poor actor.

I posted three intrigue OP's tonight, one being real double-naught CIA spy scandal.

All twisted, and unlike a good spy/intrigue story, one player is an idiot.



Of course, the cult will say all kinds of bullshit.Apparently they now have two factions spouting different bullshit.
Follow the link in the OP. Only so much gets into 4 quoted paragraphs.



ref:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221306514
Trump says Netanyahu 'has no f**king judgment' after Beirut strike - report (Times of Israel)

Fil1957

(958 posts)
5. If Trump were to cut off all support for Israel should they contine the war in Lebanon, that war would end today.
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 02:10 AM
21 hrs ago

However neither Trump, nor any other president -- Democratic or Republican would ever do that. Don't ask me why.

rpannier

(25,000 posts)
7. Where is Dershowitz to tell us his opinion
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 03:10 AM
20 hrs ago

A few months ago he wrote an oped where he said if Trump had been president in the 1930s he'd have set Hitler straight. There'd have been no Holocaust.

Haggard Celine

(17,973 posts)
8. How many times have we been told,
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 03:20 AM
20 hrs ago

"we'll be greeted as liberators?" Well, it turns out that the people of Iran don't like being attacked, especially for no good reason. They're defending their homes and families. I think the world sees our invasion of Iran much like Russia's invasion of Ukraine. And maybe they are a lot more similar than we have noticed. Both invasions are about acquiring resources that don't belong to them. The Iran invasion is a much shorter conflict because Trump is looking at the polls every day and he sees how much damage this war is doing to his popularity. Also, Iran is on the other side of the world from us. Russia and Ukraine are next door neighbors. We would have a hell of a time going all the way over there and fighting them on their home turf. I assume someone explained all of this to Trump, but he probably didn't understand it.

usonian

(27,036 posts)
10. It was "supposed" to liberate Iran from tyrannical IRG rule.
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 06:13 AM
17 hrs ago

For about two minutes. I guess Bibi sold Booby that story. So it starts out with a hideous crime against a girl's school.

How "fitting" for the war of "Weapons of mass distraction" from Epstein.

Dr. T

(805 posts)
9. I'm thinking the Iranians stroked Donnie's ego
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 04:37 AM
19 hrs ago

by convincing him that he controls Bibi. This bullshit Memorandum of Understanding is what flowed from it. But Bibi has his own end game. Iran wins again by undermining the alliance between two of their enemies. Another example of a world leader playing President Twit Fuck like a fiddle.

tanyev

(49,916 posts)
11. "He has no f**king judgment."
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 07:44 AM
16 hrs ago

Oh, Donny. You’ve got a great big log in your eye.


Matthew 7:3-5

3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

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