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DavidDvorkin

(20,772 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 06:43 PM Monday

I find myself liking Giorgia Meloni

And America is allied with Russia against Europe.

And the Nationalists are the pro-China Taiwanese opposition party.

The world has gone mad.

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I find myself liking Giorgia Meloni (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Monday OP
I admire her for standing up to the fool MustLoveBeagles Monday #1
. WhiskeyGrinder Monday #2
She's a fascist, a bit to the right of Darth Vader, Ocelot II Monday #3
absolutely hookaleft Tuesday #23
Maybe she and Rachele Mussolini will have you over for tea TheProle Monday #4
Wow. DavidDvorkin Monday #19
Her politics is not the issue. It's her not putting up with TSF's lies and bullying when most still do. Good on her Deuxcents Monday #5
She's a fascist too. BlueTsunami2018 Monday #6
One of my best friends is a gay Italian expat who can't take his kids back to see their grandparents in Italy meadowlander Monday #7
It's amazing to me that getting into an ego fight with Trump makes someone "good" EdmondDantes_ Monday #10
No one's saying it makes her good. DavidDvorkin Monday #14
And yet you like her because of a minor dispute she has with Trump EdmondDantes_ Monday #15
I like that aspect of her and I like her for the moment DavidDvorkin Monday #18
'I thought the cynical lightheartedness was obvious. ' Intractable Monday #20
I'm not sure her domestic politics are my concern being that I'm not Italian fujiyamasan Monday #17
Fascism is everyone's concern. BlueTsunami2018 Tuesday #22
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Monday #8
Raise your hand ✋ if you STAND with Giorgia Meloni against Trump LetMyPeopleVote Monday #9
Love hate SuzyandPuffpuff Monday #11
She's as bad as Trump. RandySF Monday #12
Oh, I know that DavidDvorkin Monday #13
At least she's not a stooge for Putin fujiyamasan Monday #16
Well, she good looking. Intractable Monday #21
A few days ago I made this comment about the Italian prime minister jmowreader Tuesday #24
I've read that Mussolini didn't actually make the trains run on time DavidDvorkin Tuesday #25
Yikes. She's terrible. themaguffin Tuesday #26
Yes, she is, but she deserves credit for her current reaction to Trump. DavidDvorkin Tuesday #28
bring back shame WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #27
I think maybe you need to do a bit more research NoRethugFriends Tuesday #29
Problematic Politics aside... LessAspin Tuesday #30
Cut DavidDvorkin some slack, peoplez. He probably should have made it clear that he likes Giorgia Meloni generalbetrayus Tuesday #31
You're right; I should have specified that DavidDvorkin Tuesday #33
She is, perhaps, the world's current most skilled politician: She is also an open and proud Fascist SorellaLaBefana Tuesday #32

Ocelot II

(131,821 posts)
3. She's a fascist, a bit to the right of Darth Vader,
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 06:58 PM
Monday

but at least she's standing up to Trump so I'll give her that. She's not someone we should actually like, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgia_Meloni

hookaleft

(1,414 posts)
23. absolutely
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:24 AM
Tuesday

Meloni is a conservative and right-wing populist who is also a critic of globalism. She is opposed to euthanasia, same-sex marriage, and same-sex parenting, stating that nuclear families are exclusively headed by male–female pairs. Meloni supported (but never enacted) a naval blockade to halt illegal immigration, and she has been described as xenophobic and Islamophobic by some critics. A supporter of NATO, she maintains Eurosceptic views regarding the European Union (EU), views she describes as "Eurorealist". She favoured improved relations with Russia before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which she condemned, pledging to keep sending arms to Ukraine. In 2024, Forbes ranked Meloni as the third-most-powerful woman in the world and she was listed amongst the most influential people in the world by Time magazine, while Politico ranked her as the most powerful person in Europe in 202

Deuxcents

(28,250 posts)
5. Her politics is not the issue. It's her not putting up with TSF's lies and bullying when most still do. Good on her
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:07 PM
Monday

BlueTsunami2018

(5,143 posts)
6. She's a fascist too.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:18 PM
Monday

I swear, the worst people get a glow up just for calling Piss an asshole.

She’s terrible.

meadowlander

(5,181 posts)
7. One of my best friends is a gay Italian expat who can't take his kids back to see their grandparents in Italy
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:30 PM
Monday

because they can't get a passport that recognises him and his partner as the kids' parents.

So yeah, she's fab

EdmondDantes_

(2,285 posts)
10. It's amazing to me that getting into an ego fight with Trump makes someone "good"
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:36 PM
Monday

She's objectively a horrible person.

EdmondDantes_

(2,285 posts)
15. And yet you like her because of a minor dispute she has with Trump
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 09:53 PM
Monday

That shouldn't override the 95+% of things they are in lock step on to make you like her. You shouldn't like a fascist just because she doesn't want to be seen as begging for a picture when she's homophobic, anti-immigrant, etc.

DavidDvorkin

(20,772 posts)
18. I like that aspect of her and I like her for the moment
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:43 PM
Monday

I thought the cynical lightheartedness was obvious. I also thought it was the right that had no sense of humor, especially about themselves.

fujiyamasan

(2,190 posts)
17. I'm not sure her domestic politics are my concern being that I'm not Italian
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:31 PM
Monday

All I know is she’s pushing back on Trump better than many so called liberal European leaders.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,143 posts)
22. Fascism is everyone's concern.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 05:45 AM
Tuesday

No matter where it’s happening.

To be unconcerned with it seems crazy to me.

Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

SuzyandPuffpuff

(786 posts)
11. Love hate
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:36 PM
Monday

She's just stating facts. I don't like her politics but she's just stating facts. Facts be facts. 😆

DavidDvorkin

(20,772 posts)
13. Oh, I know that
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 09:33 PM
Monday

I have no illusions about her. But right now, for the moment, I like her.

fujiyamasan

(2,190 posts)
16. At least she's not a stooge for Putin
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:27 PM
Monday

She also didn’t start an idiotic war against Iran… and doesn’t have her own geatapo rounding up citizens…

I could keep going.

Trump is objectively worse on almost every measure. And Italian politics are of no concern to me.

Intractable

(2,580 posts)
21. Well, she good looking.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 11:14 PM
Monday

That's called damning with faint praise.

Politically, she was an ally of Trump.

jmowreader

(53,554 posts)
24. A few days ago I made this comment about the Italian prime minister
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:15 AM
Tuesday

"The only substantive difference between Benito Mussolini and Giorgia Meloni is Meloni wears lipstick." The woman is a literal, card-carrying Italian Fascist.

The thing is, Mussolini wouldn't have liked Trump either. They say Mussolini made the trains run on time. Trump would shut down the trains in a heartbeat if he thought there was money in it for him.

DavidDvorkin

(20,772 posts)
25. I've read that Mussolini didn't actually make the trains run on time
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:48 AM
Tuesday

He made everyone terrified of contradicting him when he claimed that the trains were running on time.

LessAspin

(2,127 posts)
30. Problematic Politics aside...
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:56 AM
Tuesday

She has proven to be a a good judge of character.

Given her unwavering support of Zelensky and utter contempt for Trump 🚯

generalbetrayus

(2,067 posts)
31. Cut DavidDvorkin some slack, peoplez. He probably should have made it clear that he likes Giorgia Meloni
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:59 AM
Tuesday

for attacking Trump only, but that's how I took it when I read the post. The comments were informative, however, if overwrought in some cases. Just sayin'.

DavidDvorkin

(20,772 posts)
33. You're right; I should have specified that
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:15 PM
Tuesday

I assumed -- wrongly, as it turned out -- that such a post here on DU would be interpreted correctly.

SorellaLaBefana

(540 posts)
32. She is, perhaps, the world's current most skilled politician: She is also an open and proud Fascist
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 02:29 PM
Tuesday

Besides her admirable political skill, she also has courage.

Might want to take a look at the history of her rise to power.

Even going no deeper than wikipedia makes it clear what sort of a world view she supports

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