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edhopper

(37,699 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 12:32 AM Yesterday

Why does the Western Press continue to say"fell from a window"

When Putin murders someone. Are they trying to be cute. There is never a doubt that the person was killed. Just because the police in Russia don't want to call it murder, doesn't mean we can't say it was.
How about "So and So dies in apparent murder"

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Why does the Western Press continue to say"fell from a window" (Original Post) edhopper Yesterday OP
A term I learned when I was on a tour in Prague Mme. Defarge Yesterday #1
They could at least use the word "defenestration" instead, since it's kind of a cool word 0rganism Yesterday #2
The point wasn't the word choice itself GenThePerservering Yesterday #3
They are suffering from a dilemma DFW Yesterday #4
Cause od death Pototan Yesterday #5
Evidence. n/t Igel 13 hrs ago #6
Would " died of apparent murder" just be " murder"? Melon 13 hrs ago #7
Yes edhopper 4 hrs ago #8

0rganism

(25,766 posts)
2. They could at least use the word "defenestration" instead, since it's kind of a cool word
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:03 AM
Yesterday

Over the last 2 decades, the only circumstances I recall getting to use the word "defenestration" are in tales related to the demise of Putin's antagonists, with a surprising frequency that denies happenstance.

I think President Obama might refer to such incidents as "teachable moments."

Of course, the oligarch-friendly western press would be loathe to call out the death of an enemy of the owning class as a possible murder. Russian windows just have conveniently poor safety standards, doncha know. Nothing to see here, just another random act of Russian OSHA failure, move along.

GenThePerservering

(4,097 posts)
3. The point wasn't the word choice itself
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:56 AM
Yesterday

but what the word choice was used for.

Apparently the Russians have decided that falling out a window is a perfectly good way to go. It seems strange to me, too, though.

DFW

(60,819 posts)
4. They are suffering from a dilemma
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:34 AM
Yesterday

They can’t decide whether to use “pushed” or “shoved.” Once they figure that out, I’m sure they will stop saying “fell.” Unless Putin has instructed them to keep saying “fell” or they will suffer the same fate. I wonder if Bari Weiss has her Russian pilot’s license yet?

Melon

(1,898 posts)
7. Would " died of apparent murder" just be " murder"?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:59 PM
13 hrs ago

Since murder has a definition, and thus would have to be apparent if proven…which is the main issue, murder must be proven.

edhopper

(37,699 posts)
8. Yes
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:19 AM
4 hrs ago

Died OF apparent murder is murder. Died IN apparent murder is an explanation.
I would also say that when 100 out of 100 times a Putin opponents are murdered when falling out of a window, saying the next one was apparently murdered is not ignoring the standards of journalism, as if the Press still has standards.

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