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Joinfortmill

(21,940 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 07:46 AM 21 hrs ago

Trump has lied, cheated and stolen his way through his entire life, and likely much worse...

So, is it really such a leap to think that he and his billionaire cronies didn't steal the Presidential election for him? I think not. We probably did elect our first woman President in 2024. I hope that we can someday prove he cheated his way into the White House.

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Trump has lied, cheated and stolen his way through his entire life, and likely much worse... (Original Post) Joinfortmill 21 hrs ago OP
Of this I feel certain: if he didn't steal the election, it's not because he wouldn't. n/t Mister Ed 21 hrs ago #1
Exactly PatSeg 19 hrs ago #14
Considering he's already openly trying to, B.See 15 hrs ago #42
I totally agree 👍👍 TommieMommy 20 hrs ago #2
Doubting malaise agrees with you malaise 20 hrs ago #3
100% debsy 20 hrs ago #4
We should have a standing offer of $10,000,000 for anyone to come forward KS Toronado 20 hrs ago #5
Here you go Botany 20 hrs ago #8
Anyone who orchestrated an insurrection four years earlier because they lost an election, Emile 20 hrs ago #6
Pick your preferred AG Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #19
Elon Musk has admitted to stealing the election. Botany 20 hrs ago #7
Agree 100% karin_sj 20 hrs ago #9
Common sense would indicate the election was stolen Grim Chieftain 20 hrs ago #10
Exactly my thoughts Grim Chieftain. Diamond_Dog 19 hrs ago #11
It's entirely possible Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #21
Remember when this GOBBER said the quiet part out loud. Voter suppression will give Mitt Romney the election Maraya1969 16 hrs ago #36
Yes, their ratfuckery and chicanery is visible for all to see Fiendish Thingy 16 hrs ago #38
Actually, truly common sense would indicate exactly the opposite Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #20
It appears you are working overtime to say Trump "won" fair and square Grim Chieftain 18 hrs ago #23
Just standing up for reality Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #27
The idea of Individual One stealing the Presidency may have a certain emotional appeal, BUT Vogon_Glory 19 hrs ago #12
LOL popsdenver 19 hrs ago #16
Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity Vogon_Glory 17 hrs ago #34
Some memorable Trump quotes ahead of the 2024 election. OGBuzz 19 hrs ago #13
"In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote." Seinan Sensei 18 hrs ago #28
We all have suspicions ... I know I do ... FakeNoose 19 hrs ago #15
Are you suggesting that Democratic governors and secretaries of state withheld evidence of electoral fraud? Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #22
Sorry I didn't mean anything like that FakeNoose 18 hrs ago #29
Musk orthoclad 19 hrs ago #17
Your presumption is flawed logically Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #18
Well, not surprisingly, I disagree. Lol. Joinfortmill 18 hrs ago #24
Your gut feeling versus evidence EdmondDantes_ 15 hrs ago #40
I never mentioned gut feelings. Joinfortmill 15 hrs ago #41
The Republicans have tried to steal every election since 2000. waterwatcher123 18 hrs ago #25
Then how come the candidate Musk invested millions in lost the WI Supreme Court race? Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #26
I do not believe they tamper with every race. waterwatcher123 17 hrs ago #32
Oops - I meant a stingray machine. waterwatcher123 17 hrs ago #33
So they can rig a nationwide election undetected by any state or precinct Fiendish Thingy 17 hrs ago #35
Flawed logic? Maybe examine your own arguments. waterwatcher123 16 hrs ago #37
Since 1960 dave99 18 hrs ago #31
It probably killed too dave99 18 hrs ago #30
If we find out it's true, and dlilafae 15 hrs ago #39
Let's not forget 2016, either dlk 5 hrs ago #43

PatSeg

(54,074 posts)
14. Exactly
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:47 AM
19 hrs ago

It is his nature to cheat and lie, it is not just a fallback option. If he CAN steal something, he will. That is who he is and has been his entire life.

KS Toronado

(24,198 posts)
5. We should have a standing offer of $10,000,000 for anyone to come forward
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 08:51 AM
20 hrs ago

that has knowledge how Musk did it, or even a computer hacker who can discover how it was done
and can prove it.

Botany

(78,266 posts)
8. Here you go
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:01 AM
20 hrs ago
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

They also cheated by voter caging, through the U.S.P.S. and rejecting @ least 1/2 a million
ballots by claiming the signatures didn’t match.



Emile

(44,137 posts)
6. Anyone who orchestrated an insurrection four years earlier because they lost an election,
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 08:52 AM
20 hrs ago

is more than likely to steal the very next election.

Garland failed the United States by not prosecuting the SOB! Trump should be in prison right now!

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
19. Pick your preferred AG
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:36 AM
18 hrs ago

And the results would have been exactly the same:

No Trump trial before the election

AG’s don’t have the power to determine trial dates/schedules, or the speed of rulings on objections or appeals- those are all controlled by the courts, ultimately the Roberts court, who is the true villain in the story of how Trump escaped Justice, not Garland.

Botany

(78,266 posts)
7. Elon Musk has admitted to stealing the election.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 08:56 AM
20 hrs ago

Musk, “I had a special app that let me see the returns early.” Rough quote.
I.O.W.s he was into the data which was illegal. That was not an app that was a HACK.

Grim Chieftain

(2,328 posts)
10. Common sense would indicate the election was stolen
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:20 AM
20 hrs ago

I am too Trump weary to give all the details that scream "stolen" but just consider Kamala's overflow crowds while his venues got smaller and smaller because attendance was paltry, the crowds who stood in line for hours to attend her rallies, for him - not so much. I recall Obama at one of Kamala's rallies telling those in attendance "If you haven't voted, go now! Go vote!" Trump announced to his crowd "I don't need your votes. We've got this," or words to that effect. Who says that? Every candidate wants each and every vote, but not him. Why is that?

I am so sick and tired of this evil felon getting away with everything. He robbed us of our election and in so doing robbed us of our democracy.

Diamond_Dog

(41,532 posts)
11. Exactly my thoughts Grim Chieftain.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:28 AM
19 hrs ago

How could it be possible that he won EVERY swing state?

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
21. It's entirely possible
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:47 AM
18 hrs ago

Especially when nine million fewer voters showed up at the polls in 2024 compared to 2020.

Reminder: Biden won in 2020 by 88,000 votes in three states, so the possibility of Trump winning every swing state is not preposterous, but quite realistic, especially when including the dramatically reduced turnout in 2024.

Maraya1969

(23,626 posts)
36. Remember when this GOBBER said the quiet part out loud. Voter suppression will give Mitt Romney the election
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 12:51 PM
16 hrs ago

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
38. Yes, their ratfuckery and chicanery is visible for all to see
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:16 PM
16 hrs ago

No need to resort to evidence-free kooky CT nonsense when we can see how they have put their Republican thumbs on the scale for several cycles now.

But that’s not why Trump won in 2024.

Nine million fewer voters, mostly by choice, not suppression, is all the evidence needed.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
20. Actually, truly common sense would indicate exactly the opposite
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:41 AM
18 hrs ago

Nine million fewer people voted in 2024 compared to 2020, more than enough to explain Trump’s victory, especially considering he only lost by 88,000 votes in three states in 2020.

Coupled with a Democratic campaign crippled by Biden’s refusal to be the one term “transitional” president he promised to be, denying voters a true open primary, and giving Harris a truncated campaign period to make her case to the voters, Trump’s victory shouldn’t shock anyone.

Vogon_Glory

(10,430 posts)
12. The idea of Individual One stealing the Presidency may have a certain emotional appeal, BUT
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:38 AM
19 hrs ago

I believe that he won in 2016. And again in 2024 because of the carelessness, laziness, cluelessness and apathy of a majority of the American electorate.

I’m a Texan, a Texan who has had his heart broken time and time again by the indifference and sloth of my state’s voters. For over two decades, I’ve asked myself “How the Hell did this happen?” And have asked myself WHY did this happen, despite the Good Guys’ efforts at voter outreach and the ugly consequences of Republican governance.

And this is just Texas. The pattern has been repeated again and again across Old Dixie, Appalachia, and out into the prairies and out onto the Great Plains.

This has only so much to do with corrupted elections and lots more to do with voter laziness and willing self-delusion. Scammers succeed because their targets are willing to be suckers. I believe that the Republicans won in large part because of this, not because of some conspiratorial infrastructure.



I hope for a better future, I’ll fight the good fight, but I fear that a comeback for compassion and genuine decency would require an evolutionary-scale change in American thinking.

popsdenver

(2,825 posts)
16. LOL
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:23 AM
19 hrs ago

I clearly dispute your thinking, amigo........

Especially after the 1980 election, the 2000 election, and the 2004 election......In all three of those, the Republicans not only committed fraud, but outright Treason.................

Vogon_Glory

(10,430 posts)
34. Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:52 AM
17 hrs ago

And the last thirty years have demonstrated that the American voter pool is well-stocked by what Bugs Bunney described as Gulla-Maroons.

This is not to say that the Good Guys and others who believe in free and fair elections should either let down their guard or do nothing in the face of “Conservative” efforts to corrupt the voting system, but a plurality of American voters have shown themselves to be careless, lazy, and inattentive even without “help” from right-wing presstitutes and propagandists.

OGBuzz

(870 posts)
13. Some memorable Trump quotes ahead of the 2024 election.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:44 AM
19 hrs ago

"We don't need the votes".
"I have so many votes".
"Don't worry about the votes".

It's almost like he knew.

Seinan Sensei

(1,735 posts)
28. "In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:06 AM
18 hrs ago

July 2024

FakeNoose

(43,071 posts)
15. We all have suspicions ... I know I do ...
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:07 AM
19 hrs ago

A lot of the data that would convict him of election fraud is currently in the hands of the various states and can't easily be confiscated. We would need a Congressional Investigation with subpoena power, such as was done for the Watergate hearings.

When would that happen? Probably not until after Chump is dead and gone.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
22. Are you suggesting that Democratic governors and secretaries of state withheld evidence of electoral fraud?
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:49 AM
18 hrs ago

That would have to be true to prove your assertion.

FakeNoose

(43,071 posts)
29. Sorry I didn't mean anything like that
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:10 AM
18 hrs ago

What I meant was that each state runs its own election, according to the Constitution. We've always had it that way and it needs to continue that way. However there's no quick way to look up the election data in a federal archive because is no such thing. It needs to stay that way.

orthoclad

(5,205 posts)
17. Musk
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:25 AM
19 hrs ago

Always look to the billionaires.

I think of T two ways:
- a seed crystal for hate to form a movement around
- a rodeo clown capering to draw the bull's attention away from the rider

He was a very convenient tv personality to take advantage of. He shaved a whole generation off the oligarchy's plan to seize all power. Sure Russia recruited him, but they probably recruited lots of personalities. Maybe Putin is responsible for pushing him forward into the political limelight, where our domestic villains took over.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
18. Your presumption is flawed logically
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:26 AM
18 hrs ago

Last edited Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Yes, Trump has cheated and stolen his entire life, but the logical conclusion isn’t that he stole the 2024 election, it is that he would want to steal the election, as he wanted to in 2020, but failed.

2024 election denialism is as kooky and evidence free as 2020 election denialism.

There is as much verifiable evidence that the 2024 election was stolen as there is that the 2020 election was stolen: ZERO

Denialism is a faulty coping mechanism to avoid the painful emotions that come with accepting the reality that Trump won a second term. It keeps the believer stuck in the Denial and Anger stages of the grieving cycle, making it more difficult to effectively address the very real challenges that lie before us.

The simple, painful fact is, nine million fewer people voted in 2024 compared to 2020 , more than enough to explain Trump’s victory, especially considering he only lost by 88,000 votes in three states in 2020.

But that fact won’t stop this kooky, CT nonsense-filled post from rising to the top of the Greatest Page, just like all the other 2024 Election Denial posts do.

EdmondDantes_

(2,286 posts)
40. Your gut feeling versus evidence
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:54 PM
15 hrs ago

The election totals matched the audits. There are protections in the system. There are Democrats up and down the electoral process. The voting matched the preelection polls. The Harris campaign didn't complain.

It's absolutely unfounded conspiracy theory nonsense and should be treated as such.

Joinfortmill

(21,940 posts)
41. I never mentioned gut feelings.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 02:08 PM
15 hrs ago

I said the possibility exists based on Donald's past behaviors, which are public knowledge. We disagree, no need to be rude.

waterwatcher123

(570 posts)
25. The Republicans have tried to steal every election since 2000.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:54 AM
18 hrs ago

My guess is Trump invested a great deal in trying to steal the 2020 election and it did not work (which is part of his obsession with it).

Elon Musk was sued by customers who said there was an algorithm installed in Tesla's to prematurely advance milage (warranty claims). If he had the audacity and technology to do this to his own customers, it is not much of a leap to believe he would do the same in the election (he had the results four hours before anyone else).

It is very hard to detect the electronic theft of an election in part due to the wild swings in voting behavior from election to election. The Republicans, or their partners, were very clumsy in the early days (machines that counted backwards, man in the middle schemes that were thwarted, etc). But they have progressively gotten better with each successive election.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
26. Then how come the candidate Musk invested millions in lost the WI Supreme Court race?
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:02 AM
18 hrs ago

If he had the power to flip votes and determine the winner across 50 states, then how come his chosen candidate in one state race, who he invested much time, money, and most importantly, EGO, in promoting, lost?

waterwatcher123

(570 posts)
32. I do not believe they tamper with every race.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:42 AM
17 hrs ago

Tampering with every race would draw too much attention.

There were certainly plenty of people who voted for the orange felon. But the results are hard to buy (win every swing state below the margin to trigger an automatic recount, under votes, over votes that make no sense).

Everyone has a different take on this idea of stolen elections. However there have been plenty of examples of electronic tampering that have been well documented (Conyers Report from 2004, Clinton Curtis from 2000, Anonymous when they said they intervened to stop a man in the middle scheme). Computer scientists have also repeatedly demonstrated that it is easy to hack the election machines themselves.
The Muller Report also said Russians were inside the election machinery in many states (clearly for a reason).

It would be extremely hard to catch an electronic theft because it does not have to leave a trace or footprints, or produce unbelievable results. A stingray ray machine could be used to catch results in transit and files altered on the fly and it very hard to know if it was manipulated in any way.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
35. So they can rig a nationwide election undetected by any state or precinct
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:55 AM
17 hrs ago

But draw the line at rigging a state Supreme Court election because it might “draw too much attention”?

Can you not see the flawed logic in that point of view?

Zero evidence of a stolen election doesn’t mean they successfully rigged it undetected, it means it didn’t happen , especially in light of all the Democratic victories since then in places that are historically strong republican districts - surely republicans would have rigged those elections too to keep republicans in office, no?

waterwatcher123

(570 posts)
37. Flawed logic? Maybe examine your own arguments.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:04 PM
16 hrs ago

Zero evidence is not true. The 2004 presidential election had plenty of ignored evidence in Ohio. It had enough "abnormalities" for the Ohio Congressional delegation to hold up the certification. No one wants to believe it is possible. But, if you are going to tamper with an election outcome, it is easier to do it electronically than any other way.

I am not going argue with you because you are convinced you are right. I have paid very close attention to this issue for the past 26 years and there are plenty of disturbing instances where electronic voting did not function the way it was intended (again, read the Conyer's report from 2004). It does not mean that there is an intervention in every state or Congressional race.

dlilafae

(514 posts)
39. If we find out it's true, and
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:49 PM
15 hrs ago

he cheated and Kamala won, I want her to be given her rightful spot as president.

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