Manchin won't endorse Harris over vow to gut filibuster to codify abortion rights: 'Shame on her'

[cloudythescribbler]

Source: CNN


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Vice President Kamala Harris’ vow to gut the Senate’s filibuster rule to pass a bill codifying abortion rights has cost her an endorsement from a leading Senate moderate: Joe Manchin.

The West Virginia independent, one of the staunchest defenders of the potent delay tactic in the Senate, told CNN on Tuesday that he wouldn’t back her candidacy now — despite signaling earlier this month he was getting ready to do so.


“Shame on her,” Manchin, who is retiring at year’s end, said in the Capitol. “She knows the filibuster is the Holy Grail of democracy. It’s the only thing that keeps us talking and working together. If she gets rid of that, then this would be the House on steroids.”

Now that Harris has vowed to gut the filibuster on this issue, Manchin said he wouldn’t back her for president. “That ain’t going to happen,” he said. “I think that basically can destroy our country, and my country is more important to me than any one person or any one person’s ideology. … I think it’s the most horrible thing.”



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SHAME ON HIM!

he was already on my SH list for many reasons, including recently endorsing Hogan over Alsobrooks for Senate in MD when he cd at least have just kept his trap shut

Since he's not himself running for office, why does he have to go out of his way to try to hurt the Democratic Party?

[FarPoint]

1. Manchin is well " No One".

He is only relevant to ...himself.... Bye-Bye prick.

[SheltieLover]

51. Well said!

[Meadowoak]

2. DINO says what?

[SunSeeker]

14. He's not even a DINO. He registered as an independent this year. nt

[BeyondGeography]

3. The same guy who previously endorsed Hogan in MD

What devestating news.

[Gore1FL]

4. Well there goes WV's electoral votes. I am sure that's quite a blow to Harris/Walz. nt

[BlueKentuckyGirl]

38. WV was already in the bag for Trump,

So no great loss there.

[cilla4progress]

5. Asswipe.

I hope WV is ashamed of him!

[NH Ethylene]

6. I doubt he would have endorsed her no matter what.

He needs to fade away.

[bluestarone]

7. Best thing for America and democracy is

These type YAHOO's retiring!!

[RandySF]

8. Joe who?

[hueymahl]

9. He is right

The filibuster is an important breaking mechanism to prevent the worst swings in legislation. We are all happy wanting to get rid of it now because we are on the cusp of controlling the presidency, house and senate. But politics is fickle. The Repukes will have their day again, and we will rue the day that they have 100% control with no way for the minority party to slow things down.

[Moostache]

12. I reject your premise ENTIRELY...

The GOP already broke the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees AND abused the process to stack the court and allow RvW to be tossed...

You are advocating caution and restraint in a situation where the opponent has SHOWN they respect or possess NEITHER. I reject that thinking and that lack of action whole cloth.

The abolishment of the filibuster is 100% necessary to even come CLOSE to restoring the republic to solid ground, followed ONLY by the necessity of re-balancing the court to eliminate the GOP/MAGA manipulations that gave us 6-3 with 3 totally unqualified hacks nominated to lifetime terms to join 3 other partisan goombas and an unholy alliance.

[hueymahl]

17. I understand that point of view

It has been made many times over the years on this site. Time will tell who is right.

[Moostache]

18. Time has given us a lot of scars to say its not worked out well so far.

Gorsuch
Cavenaugh
Barrett
Roe
Federal Judges like Cannon...

I'm not sure what future mysterious GOP/MAGA move that couldn't be stopped is worth remaining in a broken system with a rigged SCOTUS and an adversarial party that has absolutely no restraint in the first place. If the argument is we must suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune for fear of potentially (unknown, unnamed) future woes, I choose to take up arms against the oppressor and die on this hill, today if necessary.

Hunker down and wait has already cost women their rights and a few their very lives...THAT cost is already too high.

Kill the filibuster day one.
Rebalance the SCOTUS day two.
Draft amendments to eliminate the Electoral College day three.
End the Trump tax policies day four.
Sign immigration legislation and pathway to citizenship day five.
And then rest (god may work 6 days, but we are going to protect the 5-day work week and go from 40 to 36 hours to boot!!!)

[LymphocyteLover]

47. I like your 5 day plan! If we could actually do that, what a new world we would have!

Inshallah!

[Moostache]

49. Thanks, but I stole the idea from FDR and the New Deal partly...

The idea is that the start of any administration is the point to do the biggest, most audacious things and do them fast. FDR's first 100 days are legend and while many of the things done were refined or dropped in time and other measures (including WWII) were required to drag us and the world out of the Great Depression, the idea was really the precursor to the modern Silicon Valley mantra of "move fast and break things", only in much more polite terms and certainly to better social effect.

I believe that such actions are not only necessary to save the republic, but also achievable if we committed to them. There is little doubt that the current glide path, without a serious and well-thought out course correction, leads to dissolution of the union or another civil war. Compromise and return to BALANCED and EQUAL BRANCHES of governance are the bare minimum necessary to reboot our failing experiment. A lack of action or a continued faith in the status quo is not a sane option any longer.

[LymphocyteLover]

55. Certainly if we win the WH and Congressional majorities, we HAVE to do some big bold stuff like what you propose

[NoMoreRepugs]

52. Wrong. The future is NOW.

[gohuskies]

10. Manchin is a useless DINO

He needs to stfu and just go away. He and Sinema gutted many important initiatives that Pres. Biden was championing for most Americans. Nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[SunSeeker]

16. He's a registered independent now, like Sinema.

He'll never hold public office again. He will go cash in at various corporate boards or think tanks.

[24601]

53. The Senate has four independent senators are not Democrats: King, Manchin, Sanders and Sinema. n/t

[Moostache]

11. Excuse my French...

Get fucked Manchin...I hope your goddamn house boat sinks with you trapped inside it. Today.

[Bayard]

13. Go back to your yacht, Manchin

I wouldn't say he's a, "leading Senate," much of anything.

[cloudythescribbler]

15. Manchin described the filibuster as "the holy grail of democracy" -- even if it shd be kept, that is beyond ridiculous

The filibuster is not even anywhere in the Constitution, and its history shows deep roots in the politics of Jim Crow & white supremacism. Even so, some consider SOME kind of mechanism (maybe requiring fewer votes, like 56, and/or further narrowing what CAN be filibustered, as happened w/federal court nominees) to be a 'useful brake' on majority rule.

But the notion of the FILIBUSTER as 'the holy grail of democracy is the ethos of the true obstructionist, like Manchin

[Moostache]

21. Our constitutional representative republic is meant to function with an informed electorate...

We have too many people who vote based on emotions and feelings and 'go with the flow' front-runners that vote for whoever seems to be winning too often.

The mechanisms to prevent bad legislation are intended to be remedied at the ballot box - first in the hot-blooded House (where members should face the voters every two years) and then in the cool-reasoned Senate (where lengthier 6 year terms are meant to shield their decisions on key issues from electoral pressures). But here are a few of our current problems:

1) The Congressional district gerrymandering is out of control (on both sides to be fair) and MUST be redrawn to equitably represent the ENTIRE population, not allowing candidates to simply pick their voters.

2) Filibustering where a member MUST HOLD the floor and actually maintain DEBATE (NOT read Green Eggs and Ham) is an honorable and necessary measure for protest and debate on key issues. An anonymous hold, with no requirement to defend or debate the reasons for NOT VOTING on a measure, is unacceptable and should be killed as soon as possible.

3) We cannot have a function government where 85% of the seats are in effect over before they can even reasonably be contested. This is a recipe for abuse and disaster, the former of which we already see and the latter of which we are careening towards with no brakes right now.

4) People simply MUST take their vote more seriously. They MUST reject Facebook, X, Instagram and other online lie factories and actually seek out independent and real journalism to inform themselves. We are (as a collective) far too susceptible to lies, manipulation and FOMO-style influencers for any good to come of it.

Fix the rules and districts and the Congress can be on a path to repair. Buit live and let live in the status quo? Collapse is the end result of that path. It is 2024. We need to STOP VOTING and ACTING like its 1850.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

54. You've really been on a roll in this thread, Moostache. Great job!

[Lasher]

19. I tried to get Manchin to do what he could to end the filibuster.

That was back when he was first elected to the Senate. They were just setting up, deciding what the new Senate would be like. I got back a form letter, which was a raspberry to my request. He hasn't changed any on the issue.

[cstanleytech]

20. Once a turd, always a turd. I'm just surprised he didn't pull a complete Joe Lieberman.

[BobTheSubgenius]

22. Huh. Joe Manchin a moderate.

Interesting. In a "May you live in interesting times" kinda way.

[Paladin]

23. Fuck you where you breathe, Manchin. (nt)

[onetexan]

24. Shame on u Manchin for being a sellout.

[ificandream]

25. He can't leave Washington soon enough.

[samsingh]

26. i truly despise this traitor

[ms liberty]

27. That's just the excuse he's using today. He was never going to endorse her

And as soon as his term is up, we'll start seeing him on one of the RWNJ channels. Probably Faux.

[wryter2000]

28. Jesus, idiot

Get over yourself.

[ColinC]

29. An entitled rich white man telling one of the most successful women in America "shame in her"

That’s rich coming from a literal oil barron in the midst of an impending climate crisis.

[grumpyduck]

30. To quote someone we all know...

I don't care. Do you?

[tornado34jh]

31. Get the hell out of the way Manchin

You're just being a saboteur. Are you not seeing what is going on? You're not helping anyone. If you aren't going to help, get the hell out of the way.

[PortTack]

32. F..king shame on you...go away

[tavernier]

33. Oh dear, Madam Vice President

You’ve just been “Shamed” by a man. I hope you feel righteously put in your place. So don’t go getting any more wild ideas, or you just might get reminded of your station.

[Brainfodder]

34. I prefer less greedy people when already rich.

Greed should level off, when it doesn't you get assholes. I wonder if it is 4%!

I am in the anti-billionaire camp.

It is a way bigger camp!

[raging moderate]

35. It isn't the real filibuster anymore, anyway.

The filibuster used to at least give an overwhelmed legislator the right to give a long speech in Congress explaining why he was so sure his opinion was correct about something, AS LONG AS HE COULD keep standing and talking continuously. What they call a "filibuster" nowadays is not even like a pale imitation of that brave effort. The people who pushed the quick easy new procedure into place should not have been allowed to use the same name for it.

[3catwoman3]

39. Exactly!

As used today, the so-called filibuster requires no effort on the part of the legislator who deploys it.

[LiberalFighter]

36. There needs to be a book trashing him

[Karma13612]

37. Shame on HER????

GFY Joe Maserati Manchin GFY

[JoetheShow]

40. Everytime someone on TV calls Manchin a "moderate" I literally yell at the TV

"He's not a MODERATE!! He's a conservative democrat!" It infuriates me when he's called a moderate.

[orangecrush]

41. "leading Senate moderate: Joe Manchin"

Fuck you, CNN

[AverageOldGuy]

42. Who is this "Manchin" person of whom you speak?

[From The Ashes]

43. Well....I say

Fuck Joe Manchin

[LudwigPastorius]

44. Eat me, Smokey Joe.

[LymphocyteLover]

45. shame on her???? Shame on him!!!

what an asshole

[DemonGoddess]

46. Shame on HIM

[Maeve]

48. Power over people, his choice

[PatrickforB]

50. Shame on Manchin. By the way, how big is the guy's yacht? Built on coal...n/t