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BumRushDaShow

(149,911 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:07 PM Mar 25

Speaker Mike Johnson floats eliminating federal courts as GOP ramps up attacks on judges

Source: NBC News

March 25, 2025, 1:47 PM EDT


WASHINGTON — Facing pressure from his right flank to take on judges who have ruled against President Donald Trump, Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., on Tuesday floated the possibility of Congress eliminating federal courts.

It’s the latest attack from Republicans on the federal judiciary, as courts have blocked a series of actions taken by the Trump administration. In addition to funding threats, Trump and his conservative allies have called for the impeachment of certain district court judges who have ruled against him, most notably U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, who attempted to halt Trump from using the Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelan migrants.

“We do have the authority over the federal courts, as you know. We can eliminate an entire district court. We have power of funding over the courts and all these other things,” Johnson told reporters on Tuesday. “But desperate times call for desperate measures, and Congress is going to act.”

Johnson, a former constitutional attorney, later clarified that he was making a point about Congress’ “broad authority” over the “creation, maintenance and the governance” of the courts. Article III of the Constitution established the Supreme Court but gave Congress the power to “ordain and establish” lower federal courts..

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-mike-johnson-floats-eliminating-federal-courts-rcna197986



Johnson, a former constitutional attorney,


Someone who should be removed as Speaker of the House, expelled from Congress, and disbarred. This is what John Roberts hath wrought.
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Speaker Mike Johnson floats eliminating federal courts as GOP ramps up attacks on judges (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 25 OP
Hey kids, let's eliminate the House of Representatives! FakeNoose Mar 25 #1
I was just going to scream choie Mar 25 #51
Johnson already did that. Bluetus Mar 25 #59
Irrelevant and Taxpayers's money-wasting +interests. Justice matters. Wednesday #69
I don't think we should encourage Musk to formally abolish COngress, but Bluetus Wednesday #73
Maybe we don't need courts if we love lawlessness. sinkingfeeling Mar 25 #2
"We do have the authority over the federal courts, as you know." J_William_Ryan Mar 25 #3
The republicans can stop this insanity any time Born Free Mar 25 #55
We don't need no stinking courts....... NotHardly Mar 25 #4
Damn, another day and another jaw dropping moment PatSeg Mar 25 #5
Good thing Government is open! Oh wait............ Bengus81 Mar 25 #19
If we get rid of the Courts Turbineguy Mar 25 #6
Eliminate the courts dweller Mar 25 #8
Nothing like this should be allowed to float... pandr32 Mar 25 #7
What a fucking fascist fuck. "Desperate times"????? They apparently are DESPERATE to destroy the Federal govt??? LymphocyteLover Mar 25 #9
And just like Putin in Russia, steal all the country's resources... Justice matters. Wednesday #70
Soooo ....we are already at 1933 of their plan ? dweller Mar 25 #10
I dare the MSM and the GQP to try to spin this one as ANYTHING other than fascism in its purest form. Karasu Mar 25 #11
And...can the MSM speak the H word yet?? Nah....better wait awhile Bengus81 Mar 25 #22
I assure you that NJCher Mar 25 #12
JFC. highplainsdem Mar 25 #13
What does Mike expect to get from this suggestion? A pat on the head from the Great Orange One? Vinca Mar 25 #14
These fucking rethugs are out of their minds to even say something like this. bluestarone Mar 25 #15
increasingly they are finding it very difficult to even pretend they care about democracy Skittles Mar 25 #53
after that, barbtries Mar 25 #16
Say what? ShazzieB Mar 25 #17
"power"? I'd call it a **responsibility** to establish Federal courts. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 25 #35
"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, 3825-87867 Mar 25 #40
The "Party of Law and Order!" Is not ever going to be not hilarious! Grins Mar 25 #18
Mike Johnson, Reprehensive from the state of Louisiana want to go back to the antebellum erronis Mar 25 #20
They swear an oath to uphold the Constitution neohippie Mar 25 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Du916 Mar 25 #23
Well. I'll exercise restraint. Solly Mack Mar 25 #24
Traitor Mike Kid Berwyn Mar 25 #25
Eliminating the GOP would be the more... dchill Mar 25 #26
Or at the very least, MLWR Mar 25 #30
GREAT IDEA MIKE!! Canada Kid Mar 25 #27
Yep. As long as a few oligarchs who can never have enough will steal everything Justice matters. Wednesday #72
hem. snork. AllaN01Bear Mar 25 #28
Mike Mblaze Mar 25 #29
If they can get away with that, we need to know quickly. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 25 #31
That would require a constitution amendment SSJVegeta Mar 25 #33
They've been fully outside the Constitution for more than a year. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 25 #36
It's enough to make you think k55f5r Wednesday #68
.. SSJVegeta Mar 25 #32
They've gone full Nazi surfered Mar 25 #34
LAWS? Jimvanhise Mar 25 #38
Fascists. Rapists. Abjectly Depraved. MayReasonRule Mar 25 #37
K&R orangecrush Mar 25 #39
the orange man SierraPinecone Mar 25 #41
I wonder how ScROTUS feels now? pfitz59 Mar 25 #42
Absolutely! Few remember, but that was the event. SharonAnn Mar 25 #57
WTAF?! sakabatou Mar 25 #43
That's what Putin wants since a couple of decades, so... Justice matters. Wednesday #76
Poor poor little speaker Tweedy Mar 25 #44
I have a better idea liberalgunwilltravel Mar 25 #45
Because who needs the rule of law...? dlk Mar 25 #46
UnAmerican Republican Speaker of the House Can Go Fuck Himself IrishBubbaLiberal Mar 25 #47
Mike Johnson Baron2024 Mar 25 #48
Courts won't rule the way I want them to rule? OK, then I'll abolish them. DFW Mar 25 #49
Ok so Abstractartist Mar 25 #50
Desperate indeed. C_U_L8R Mar 25 #52
Why Not? Bread and Circuses Mar 25 #54
MaddowBlog-Republican leaders eye extreme alternatives to impeaching federal judges LetMyPeopleVote Mar 25 #56
I have often said here DENVERPOPS Mar 25 #58
He's getting ahead of himself. LudwigPastorius Mar 25 #60
It looks as though somebody's trying to divert attention from the real problems. Buddyzbuddy Wednesday #61
I never in my 70 years on this Earth ever thought HarryM Wednesday #62
They are too stupid to realize they will be killing their own golden goose. mdbl Wednesday #63
This! LittleGirl Wednesday #64
Violating his oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution Reader Rabbit Wednesday #65
omg milestogo Wednesday #66
How to make SCOTUS happy RainCaster Wednesday #67
Power of the purse angryxyouth Wednesday #71
Mr. Coup attacking the courts, who would have thought? Bluethroughu Wednesday #74
Just another fucking threat. These guys are leftyladyfrommo Wednesday #75

FakeNoose

(37,045 posts)
1. Hey kids, let's eliminate the House of Representatives!
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:12 PM
Mar 25

For that matter the entire US Congress is pretty useless. Let's eliminate them all.

Bluetus

(851 posts)
59. Johnson already did that.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 10:37 PM
Mar 25

Trump and Musk are doing whatever they want to do with no regard for any laws. And therefore, the lawmaking branch of government has become irrelevant.

Bluetus

(851 posts)
73. I don't think we should encourage Musk to formally abolish COngress, but
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 01:14 PM
Wednesday

every single Dem should understand that Job #1 is not about "reaching across the aisle" to compromise on some legislation. 90% of the job should be outside -- at rallies, at town halls, on talk shows, on podcasts, on social media.

When opportunities present themselves to use what remains of the Congressional structure, such as yesterday's hearings about the classified security break, we should do that. But that will be the exception to the rule.

Get outside. There isn't much for us inside the Capitol

J_William_Ryan

(2,586 posts)
3. "We do have the authority over the federal courts, as you know."
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:23 PM
Mar 25

Yes, Republicans are fascists, comprehensively so – not just a few; Trump, Johnson, the whole lot.

Born Free

(1,634 posts)
55. The republicans can stop this insanity any time
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 06:30 PM
Mar 25

Republicans know what is going on, they know they are destroying USA credibilty throughout the world yet they continue to support Trump regardless of the outcome

PatSeg

(49,995 posts)
5. Damn, another day and another jaw dropping moment
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:28 PM
Mar 25

They can't destroy the country fast enough.

Turbineguy

(38,918 posts)
6. If we get rid of the Courts
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:30 PM
Mar 25

It's only a mater of time until Johnson will have to find a real job.

LymphocyteLover

(7,666 posts)
9. What a fucking fascist fuck. "Desperate times"????? They apparently are DESPERATE to destroy the Federal govt???
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:43 PM
Mar 25

Justice matters.

(8,210 posts)
70. And just like Putin in Russia, steal all the country's resources...
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:46 PM
Wednesday

and keep the huge, gigantic pile of dollars and cents and gold bars for themselves.

Stop the kleptocrats.

Karasu

(861 posts)
11. I dare the MSM and the GQP to try to spin this one as ANYTHING other than fascism in its purest form.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:49 PM
Mar 25

I fucking dare you.

NJCher

(39,509 posts)
12. I assure you that
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:53 PM
Mar 25

Members of the federal court system hear this and their response will be about as positive as any "fired" employee. This kind of talk assures that the view of them as "rogue" is correct.

These people (GOP-ers_ really are living in a different universe. This morning there was a thread posted with a graphic of headlines of different right wing sources. I can't find it now, but their headlines mention nothing about the important news of the day, namely the Signal group meeting.

Vinca

(51,828 posts)
14. What does Mike expect to get from this suggestion? A pat on the head from the Great Orange One?
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:59 PM
Mar 25

A few of the original photos from Mel's naked "modeling" sessions to share with his son? Dumbest idea ever.

bluestarone

(19,342 posts)
15. These fucking rethugs are out of their minds to even say something like this.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 02:59 PM
Mar 25

It's one thing to think it and a whole new world to say it! Jesus H Christ!!

Skittles

(163,013 posts)
53. increasingly they are finding it very difficult to even pretend they care about democracy
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 05:26 PM
Mar 25

yup

barbtries

(30,279 posts)
16. after that,
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:01 PM
Mar 25

we'll eliminate Democrats.

We can keep IVF and just farm eggs from suitable females, then eliminate them, keeping a few Handmaids for birthing purposes. We can just abort the females whenever they happen.

it's not enough to erase Black people from the public record - let's just eliminate them.

Let's just go ahead and destroy the Constitution and declare a new guiding document: Project 2025

Who the fuck ARE these people?!



ShazzieB

(20,036 posts)
17. Say what?
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:02 PM
Mar 25
Johnson, a former constitutional attorney, later clarified that he was making a point about Congress’ “broad authority” over the “creation, maintenance and the governance” of the courts. Article III of the Constitution established the Supreme Court but gave Congress the power to “ordain and establish” lower federal courts..

Oh, so "ordain and establish" are now synonyms for "annihilate and destroy"? Really, Mikey?

3825-87867

(1,332 posts)
40. "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court,
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 04:14 PM
Mar 25

and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

Two key words open for reinterpretation - "inferior" plus "and"

Just like their reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment to not only allow tramp on a ballot, but give him immunity, those two words might be a problem.

First off, what is the constitutional definition of Inferior courts?
Secondly, does the comma preclude the Congress from dissolving the SCOTUS also? Reading the statement as Congress may ordain and establish (also remove?), it may read that interpretation could include removing the SCOTUS!

Don't believe it? Remember the 14th and the problems that caused.

I could interpret that as allowing the Congress to do what it will with "inferior courts" AND the SCOTUS -
"Invested in one Supreme Court AND in such inferior courts as the Congress may...
I'm sure they can't, But I was also sure tramp couldn't be on the ballot and the current pres doesn't have immunity from whatever.

Pretty sure how Roberts et al will rule on that one. Ok for we, but them ain't us.

erronis

(18,636 posts)
20. Mike Johnson, Reprehensive from the state of Louisiana want to go back to the antebellum
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:11 PM
Mar 25

Last edited Tue Mar 25, 2025, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Back when white gents like him could rule without those pesky federalists.

I'm sure it'll be "states rights for me, but not thee" when it comes to blue states breaking away from this fascist empire.

neohippie

(1,221 posts)
21. They swear an oath to uphold the Constitution
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:11 PM
Mar 25

These people who all swear an oath to faithfully defend and uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United States from enemies foreign and domestic, are all violating their oaths of office and nobody is left to enforce any of that.

Now they want to defund the courts and this stuff is all getting normalized

We have gone way behind slippery slopes here

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Solly Mack

(94,598 posts)
24. Well. I'll exercise restraint.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:16 PM
Mar 25

I'm focusing on the word eliminate: to put an end to or get rid of.

Canada Kid

(64 posts)
27. GREAT IDEA MIKE!!
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:28 PM
Mar 25

'Cause then when someone shoots your sorry ass, there will be no one to prosecute them for the crime. (or will it be karma?) I prdict that at the end of four years, crime will have quintupled, carrying a gun will be like carrying a kleenex, gunshot wounds will outnumber cuts and broken bones in the hospital ERs, and the border between our two countrys will be closed. Some sort of civil war will be going on in the southern states, money will be useless, water and food scarce, fuels will be almost unattainable. TRUMPAGEGGON!!

Justice matters.

(8,210 posts)
72. Yep. As long as a few oligarchs who can never have enough will steal everything
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:56 PM
Wednesday

from crypto to gold and in between, the GQP is all for that and for Pootyput too.

Mblaze

(508 posts)
29. Mike
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:41 PM
Mar 25

Your Party is creating these desperate times. It's part of your intention to create a Christian Nationalist country to replace our secular Constitution. That is why you want Federal judges gone. They tend to follow the Constitution.

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
31. If they can get away with that, we need to know quickly.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:49 PM
Mar 25

And if they can't, then watching them try would just be fun as hell and helpful.

All cases say we should encourage this.

SSJVegeta

(230 posts)
33. That would require a constitution amendment
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:52 PM
Mar 25

Anything beyond that wild not have the force of law.

But... just

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
36. They've been fully outside the Constitution for more than a year.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 03:58 PM
Mar 25

Right now it's a question of practicalities what they're capable of. Which is why we need to dare them to act on all threats they make, and not let them get away with any level of intimidation. We need a baseline of fact.

It's infuriating how few with any sort of authority understand that. Nearly all seem to be doing the exact opposite, allowing the occupation to create a maximum cloud of fear and confusion.

k55f5r

(470 posts)
68. It's enough to make you think
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:11 PM
Wednesday

That all of OUR representatives are beholden to their billionaire masters. Looking at YOU, Chuck Schumer.

SierraPinecone

(16 posts)
41. the orange man
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 04:17 PM
Mar 25

probably told him to throw this out to the media to take the heat off the security breach

Justice matters.

(8,210 posts)
76. That's what Putin wants since a couple of decades, so...
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 02:28 PM
Wednesday

to divide the formerly-known as the "United" and let chaos and lawlessness reign supreme for as long a wide-spread cemetary results from coast to coast.

He's "invested" in that goal for a long time already.

Tweedy

(1,284 posts)
44. Poor poor little speaker
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 04:24 PM
Mar 25

Cannot face the rule of law. Gotta tear the courthouses down! What a crying baby this speaker is.

I am looking forward to the gop outrage about selling sponsorships of the Easter crucifixion. Crickets? Yeah. People who use religion to hide their corruption earn themselves the worst circle in hell.

Don’t you know Dante proclaimed that? Many people say so.

45. I have a better idea
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 04:51 PM
Mar 25

Let's eliminate Johnson and the rest of the MAGA traitors. As we, the People, have broad authority over you Red State cretins in Congress.

dlk

(12,612 posts)
46. Because who needs the rule of law...?
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 04:52 PM
Mar 25

If that’s the case, then there’s really no need for the house and senate to make law, either.

Republicans are on a roll!

IrishBubbaLiberal

(1,157 posts)
47. UnAmerican Republican Speaker of the House Can Go Fuck Himself
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 05:05 PM
Mar 25

Republican Speaker of the House wants to eliminate federal courts.

God Damn FUCKING UNAMERICAN DICTATORSHIP

Fuck him !!

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
48. Mike Johnson
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 05:12 PM
Mar 25

Mike Johnson is a smirking little fascist bitch, a quisling, and a traitor. The people around Trump are a demonic clown car of incompetence and evil. I do not know which one is worst. They are all terrible.

DFW

(57,609 posts)
49. Courts won't rule the way I want them to rule? OK, then I'll abolish them.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 05:12 PM
Mar 25

"Fear of this battle station will keep them in line."

Or, as a wiser soul put it many decades ago:

I'm Yertle the Turtle, oh marvelous me!
For I am the ruler of all that I see.

And from his TV screen, Krasnov can see a lot.

Abstractartist

(218 posts)
50. Ok so
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 05:16 PM
Mar 25

Ok class, please have a seat…. Ok thank you… Class, anyone know how many branches of the government there are in this country as spelled out in the US constitution…. Hands please….✋🏻✋🏻✋🏽✋🏾✋🏽..

Ok let’s see, let’s call on someone who does not have his or her hand up…. Mikey Johnson, you? No Donny Trump… Donny Trump… DONNY WAKE UP…. can you answer? No? How about any one of the republican debate team ? … no

Ok so the government has three branches of government…


They are executive, legislative and JUDICIAL…
J U D I C A L….

Class dismissed

LetMyPeopleVote

(160,815 posts)
56. MaddowBlog-Republican leaders eye extreme alternatives to impeaching federal judges
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 07:21 PM
Mar 25

Congress’ GOP leaders don’t see the point in trying to impeach judges, but they have some dramatic alternatives in mind that are nearly as radical.
https://bsky.app/profile/stevebenen.com/post/3ll7vj6jzwc2m

As Republicans rage over judges who dare to rule in ways the White House doesn't like, House Speaker Mike Johnson noted this morning that Congress has the authority to "eliminate an entire district court."

This sort of talk is quite bonkers.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republican-leaders-eye-extreme-alternatives-impeaching-federal-judges-rcna198004

On Capitol Hill, however, GOP leaders don’t seem overly eager to launch impeachment crusades against judges who’ve done nothing wrong, and who would never be removed by a two-thirds majority in the Senate.

So, what’s a partisan congressional leader to do? The answer, evidently, is to consider some radical alternatives to impeachment. Punchbowl News’ Jake Sherman, an MSNBC contributor, spoke with House Speaker Mike Johnson, and the Louisiana Republican shared one possible approach:

We do have authority over the federal courts. As you know, we can, we can eliminate an entire district court. ... We have power, funding over the courts and all these other things. But desperate times call for desperate measures and Congress is going to act so stay tuned for that.


Sherman noted soon after that the House speaker clarified that he didn’t mean this as a direct threat. “I’m trying to illustrate we have a broad scope of authority over the courts,” Johnson added.

And as part of this “broad scope” of congressional authority over the courts, what’s on the table? Quite a bit, actually. Over the course of the last week or so, Republican lawmakers have opened the door to a series of possible alternatives to judicial impeachments. GOP officials are considering:

Legislation to bar district court judges from issuing nationwide injunctions.

Blocking funding for district courts that issued rulings that Trump doesn’t like.

Holding House and Senate hearings to focus attention on judges who’ve issued rulings that Trump doesn’t like.

It was against this backdrop that the House speaker brought up his belief that Congress could “eliminate an entire district court.”

DENVERPOPS

(11,581 posts)
58. I have often said here
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 10:19 PM
Mar 25

That the Trumphumping idiot VOTERS don't realize how stupid they are, because they haven't figured out, even yet, that they have outgrown their usefullness and that they won't ever be needed again.......

Also the Stupid House Members and Senators that don't realize a tyranny doesn't need a Legislative Branch.

Along with courts and judges, including the USSCourt judges that haven't realized a tyranny doesn't need a Judicial Branch

Another group would be Tax Accountants, Tax Lawyers, or any lawyers for that matter.....

LudwigPastorius

(12,023 posts)
60. He's getting ahead of himself.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 10:49 PM
Mar 25

The Reichstag fire came before the establishment of the Volksgerichtshof.

Didn't these two bit neo-Nazis pay attention in history class?

Buddyzbuddy

(606 posts)
61. It looks as though somebody's trying to divert attention from the real problems.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 06:58 AM
Wednesday

He knows that statement isn't going anywhere. I think he just threw a bone and many will chase it.

HarryM

(348 posts)
62. I never in my 70 years on this Earth ever thought
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 08:11 AM
Wednesday

I would see such a thing. These bass turds are doing whatever they can to destroy the country. Why? I guess so that a bunch of rich white old men can be dictators? When is the public going to get up and do something, or will history repeat itself... AGAIN!

mdbl

(6,024 posts)
63. They are too stupid to realize they will be killing their own golden goose.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 08:52 AM
Wednesday

Every constitutional protection afforded us is also afforded to them. Only total fools would think stripping everyone else's avenue of justice would not affect them also.

LittleGirl

(8,619 posts)
64. This!
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 10:41 AM
Wednesday

Someone who should be removed as Speaker of the House, expelled from Congress, and disbarred. This is what John Roberts hath wrought.

Reader Rabbit

(2,682 posts)
65. Violating his oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 10:50 AM
Wednesday

It a normal universe, that would be grounds for impeachment, let alone treason. In this bizarro world we currently inhabit, Trump's troglodyte followers will cheer him on.

RainCaster

(12,477 posts)
67. How to make SCOTUS happy
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 11:36 AM
Wednesday

I'm sure all those conservative justices on the Supreme Court are truly pleased with this announcement.

angryxyouth

(209 posts)
71. Power of the purse
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:51 PM
Wednesday

So no federal courts? Who would prosecute federal crimes? I can think of a couple I would like to commit. This is completely sarcastic of course. How much longer can these people go out in public. Right now I wouldn’t trust any meal I didn’t cook myself if I were MJ

leftyladyfrommo

(19,643 posts)
75. Just another fucking threat. These guys are
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 01:34 PM
Wednesday

experts at keeping the poor folks scared to death. Frightened people are docile.

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