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Wicked Blue

(7,764 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 08:25 PM Mar 25

Pete Hegseth Sued Over Signal Text Debacle

Source: HuffPost

A public watchdog group sued Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and a slew of other Trump administration officials Tuesday after a journalist revealed he was inadvertently added to a text chain discussing U.S. war plans.

The lawsuit, brought by the watchdog group American Oversight and first reported by HuffPost, requests that a federal judge formally declare that Hegseth and other officials on the chat violated their duty to uphold laws around the preservation of official communications. Those laws are outlined in the Federal Records Act and, according to lawyers for American Oversight, if agency heads refuse to recover or protect their communications, the national archivist should ask the attorney general to step in.

On Monday, The Atlantic’s editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg reported that national security adviser Michael Waltz inadvertently added him to a Signal group chat with more than a dozen Trump administration officials and aides including Vice President JD Vance, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, homeland security adviser Stephen Miller and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. CIA Director John Ratcliffe told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday that he was also in the Signal chat. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard would not admit whether she was a participant, though Goldberg reported she was; instead, she said the matter was “still under review.”

As American Oversight lawyers pointed out in their lawsuit Tuesday, Rubio is also the acting archivist of the United States and, as such, “is aware of the violations” that allegedly occurred.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-hegseth-sued-over-signal-text-debacle_n_67e2f9b5e4b074f0c26efadc

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18. This looked like many of the NSC ...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 04:45 AM
Mar 27

The National Security Council includes the vice president, the secretary of state, the secretary of the treasury, the secretary of defense, the secretary of energy as statutory members. Other members include folk like the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the National Security Advisor, the DNI, and others.

This group had many, but not all, of them, plus some others.

And if they had been using a secure government communication system, as they should have been, they could not have invited the reporter by "mistake".

I hope this brings them all down, but I doubt it will.

malthaussen

(18,054 posts)
6. Interesting, I wonder how they'll establish standing.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 10:29 PM
Mar 25

They may have violated the rules (well, they did violate the rules, let's be real), but I wonder how plaintiff will establish that they have suffered damage by the act.

-- Mal

Wiz Imp

(4,587 posts)
9. Right. It's a slam dunk that they are guilty of what they are accused of
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 11:23 PM
Mar 25

The only question is if the court agrees that the plaintiffs have standing to file the suit.

BumRushDaShow

(149,993 posts)
15. A PDF of the suit is here
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 04:38 AM
Mar 26
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25868807/american-oversight-v-hegseth-gabbard-ratcliffe-bessent-rubio-and-nara-regarding-military-actions-planned-on-signal-messaging-app.pdf

American Oversight frequently submits FOIA requests to government agencies and they are alleging that use of that app is a violation of the Federal Records Act (and Administrative Procedures Act) and that this means the records generated by the defendants could be deleted/unrecoverable for FOI.

This is the same org that FOI'd NARA and published the "fake Elector" submissions by 7 states - https://americanoversight.org/american-oversight-obtains-seven-phony-certificates-of-pro-trump-electors/

malthaussen

(18,054 posts)
16. That sounds like a good angle.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 01:34 PM
Mar 26

Making it a question of FOIA deals with the "damages" question.

-- Mal

Karasu

(865 posts)
7. "And a slew of other Trump admistration officials"...they better have sued everyone who was in that fucking chat.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 10:41 PM
Mar 25

Including Rubio, Vance, Miller, and Gabbard.

Daleuhlmann

(585 posts)
10. Read That Today's First Session of that Senate Inteligence Committee Meeting on This Matter Was Very Govenment-Friendly
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 11:39 PM
Mar 25

I don't expect much serious action by this Republican-controlled committee.

littlemissmartypants

(27,069 posts)
14. It wasn't a...
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 02:43 AM
Mar 26
"...First Session of that Senate Inteligence Committee Meeting on This Matter..."


The meeting was pre-planned. Its primary purpose wasn't the breech. It was the annual hearing on worldwide threats. It's a regularly occurring event.
 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
13. We can do that and more.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 01:48 AM
Mar 26

There are boards, professional organizations; hell, even social organizations. Take it as far down the goddamn chain as necessary to start rooting out these treasonous bastards from our government, starting with the ones who've committed it right in front of our eyes on behalf of their Russian-owned muppet masters.

Most importantly, have fun with it, and make sure they see you having fun chasing them.

These bastards are trying to get revenge on everyone who played a role in prosecuting their crimes, well, they've been committing so many new crimes we can make a sport out of suing and prosecuting them newly on a constant basis. Let the whole treasury of the goddamn Russian Federation be drained defending these scum and their lawsuits.

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