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BumRushDaShow

(156,836 posts)
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 04:01 PM Jun 28

Tillis becomes third GOP senator to oppose Trump' s big, beautiful bill

Source: The Hill

06/28/25 3:07 PM ET


North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis (R) announced after a meeting with Senate GOP leaders and colleagues Saturday afternoon that he will vote “no” on both the motion to proceed and final passage of the Republican megabill to implement President Trump’s agenda because of deep cuts to federal Medicaid funding.

Tillis said he wants Senate Republican leaders to drop their plan to lower the cap on healthcare provider taxes and instead embrace the Medicaid language passed by the House last month, which would cut much less federal funding in the program.

“Oh no. The data hasn’t changed so I got to vote no,” he said. The North Carolina Republican said Senate leaders should return to “starting with the House baseline.” “I’m going to vote no on motion to proceed and on final passage,” he said.

Tillis’s strong opposition to the bill is a significant development because two other Republicans, Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and Ron Johnson (Wis.), have already said they will vote “no.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5375176-thom-tillis-gop-senate-megabill-opposition/



The "test" (procedural) vote is basically a modified "cloture" vote which would happen before final debate and vote. The reconciliation allows the "51" for this cloture. "Concerned Collins" and "Hapless Hawley" had planned to let it go forward but with 3 others as "no" votes (SPAWN of Ron Paul, Rot Johnson, & Tillis), if there is another "no" out there (maybe Murkowsi?), they would need to make changes to get enough for a cloture.
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Tillis becomes third GOP senator to oppose Trump' s big, beautiful bill (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jun 28 OP
I'll believe it when I see it leftieNanner Jun 28 #1
I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is all theatre for these clowns to claim D. Spaulding Jun 28 #2
Tillis announced he will not be running again after voting "No" on this bill. Iris Jun 29 #29
So if those 3 end up the only No Votes BaronChocula Jun 28 #3
I'm guessing Collins and/or Murkowski could be No votes as well. Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #5
God I hope so. You'd think--especially Murkowski. Mike 03 Jun 28 #11
You would think--but MadameButterfly Jun 28 #19
Look at us bean-counting the end of the American Dream BaronChocula Jun 29 #22
Sounds like somebody is worried about the midterms Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #4
Exactly. There's talk that former Gov Roy Cooper is considering a run for the Senate mnhtnbb Jun 29 #25
Tills has announced he will not be running for Senate again. Iris Jun 29 #30
So I guess there's a lot of horse trading going on senseandsensibility Jun 28 #6
Thats definitely the "aroma" in DC now ;) n/t Cheezoholic Jun 28 #7
Not to worry... 3825-87867 Jun 28 #8
Tillis will cave Red Mountain Jun 28 #9
Ron Johnson is a no?! That surprises me. Mike 03 Jun 28 #10
actually he has been barking about this bill for some time now Skittles Jun 28 #21
Only until the vote count. republianmushroom Jun 28 #12
Perhaps, but we won't be seeing a 4th 0rganism Jun 28 #13
Do you think they are bribing or threatening LM? Irish_Dem Jun 28 #14
Yes, partly because that's the default stereotype they've cultivated 0rganism Jun 28 #15
They are psychopaths and it is well known they bribe and threaten to get their way. Irish_Dem Jun 28 #17
Maybe he can convince Hop-along Fetterman to do the same. mdbl Jun 28 #16
We will find out who the GOP sleeper cells are. Irish_Dem Jun 28 #18
Fetterman has become a 1-trick pony BumRushDaShow Jun 29 #23
Suggests who may be funding him. Irish_Dem Jun 29 #24
"The data hasn't changed so I got to vote no..." LudwigPastorius Jun 28 #20
Okay, Tillis, it's time to find your American spine... RobertDevereaux Jun 29 #26
Johnson changed to a yes. barbtries Jun 29 #27
3 Republican Senators can pretend to care and the vote will still pass 51 - 50 with Vance casting the deciding vote. patphil Jun 29 #28

D. Spaulding

(320 posts)
2. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is all theatre for these clowns to claim
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 04:05 PM
Jun 28

some kind of serious principles for the hometown, that they don't really have. I hope I'm wrong. But they'll probably accept some kind of empty promise, and then cave, so they can campaign on "standing up for (fill in the blank).

BaronChocula

(3,004 posts)
3. So if those 3 end up the only No Votes
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 04:06 PM
Jun 28

Hellbilly Elegy Couchbanger can break the tie, if my math is right.

MadameButterfly

(3,286 posts)
19. You would think--but
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 09:47 PM
Jun 28

they have a way of squeaking by. Only 3 dissenters allowed. After that, the twist arms, threaten, whatever they have to do.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,074 posts)
4. Sounds like somebody is worried about the midterms
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 04:11 PM
Jun 28

Guess they aren’t going to be canceled or rigged after all…

mnhtnbb

(32,646 posts)
25. Exactly. There's talk that former Gov Roy Cooper is considering a run for the Senate
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 08:01 AM
Jun 29

against Tillis next year (Cooper is a Dem). Cooper is very well liked in NC and could be just the ticket to get rid of Tillis.

senseandsensibility

(22,917 posts)
6. So I guess there's a lot of horse trading going on
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 04:40 PM
Jun 28

among the R's so that exactly the number of them that can vote no with it still passing are allowed to do so. Profiles in courage all the way around.

3825-87867

(1,476 posts)
8. Not to worry...
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 05:25 PM
Jun 28

IF it should turn to a 49 no votes, Fetterman will make sure Johnson gets to break the tie.

Red Mountain

(2,145 posts)
9. Tillis will cave
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 07:02 PM
Jun 28

Just trying to grab a headline or two in his reelection bid.

Wants to appear 'moderate'.

Mike 03

(18,568 posts)
10. Ron Johnson is a no?! That surprises me.
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 07:37 PM
Jun 28

I can't think of a single instance when he's defied Trump on anything. He's one of he worst.

Skittles

(166,089 posts)
21. actually he has been barking about this bill for some time now
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 11:35 PM
Jun 28

yes indeed

*note
: I have always expected him to fold

0rganism

(25,249 posts)
13. Perhaps, but we won't be seeing a 4th
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 08:59 PM
Jun 28

F47 gets what F47 wants, or people "go through some things". Right now F47 wants that bill on his desk by Friday, and he's going to get it one way or another. He wants to brag about it throughout next weekend. None of the GOP want to be on his shitlist for having messed up this bigly propaganda moment.

You can bet Sen. Murkowski has received some very interesting phone messages over the last 3 days.

0rganism

(25,249 posts)
15. Yes, partly because that's the default stereotype they've cultivated
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 09:27 PM
Jun 28

Clarification: they'll go after any GOP senator who looks like a potential 4th wobbler.

At this point, they'd have to go out of their way to convince me otherwise, and I don't think they care enough to do that if they could.

...Aaaand she just voted for the bill.

Irish_Dem

(72,479 posts)
17. They are psychopaths and it is well known they bribe and threaten to get their way.
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 09:31 PM
Jun 28

We see Trump do it in public almost every day.
It is fact.

We can only imagine what the hell he does in private.

BumRushDaShow

(156,836 posts)
23. Fetterman has become a 1-trick pony
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 05:44 AM
Jun 29

Mainly anything related to Israel and the ME. Almost everything else he has voted with (D)s.

He voted against moving the craven bill forward (cloture vote).

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1191/vote_119_1_00329.htm

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Blumenthal (D-CT)
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Cantwell (D-WA)
Coons (D-DE)
Cortez Masto (D-NV)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Durbin (D-IL)
Fetterman (D-PA)
Gallego (D-AZ)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hassan (D-NH)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Hickenlooper (D-CO)
Hirono (D-HI)
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Kelly (D-AZ)
Kim (D-NJ)
King (I-ME)
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Murphy (D-CT)
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Ossoff (D-GA)
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Paul (R-KY)
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Reed (D-RI)
Rosen (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schiff (D-CA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Slotkin (D-MI)
Smith (D-MN)
Tillis (R-NC)
Van Hollen (D-MD)
Warner (D-VA)
Warnock (D-GA)
Warren (D-MA)
Welch (D-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

LudwigPastorius

(12,968 posts)
20. "The data hasn't changed so I got to vote no..."
Sat Jun 28, 2025, 11:11 PM
Jun 28

Translation: "Back up the Brinks truck, because my vote is going to cost ya."

RobertDevereaux

(2,004 posts)
26. Okay, Tillis, it's time to find your American spine...
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 08:14 AM
Jun 29

…and slam the traitorous mothefucker square in the chops? Are you up to the task?

barbtries

(30,598 posts)
27. Johnson changed to a yes.
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:00 AM
Jun 29

Tillis voted no.

What I think is they get together with all the no votes and draw straws to see which one gets to actually vote no when the vote happens.

and i called his ass and thanked him. it was all performative.

patphil

(8,087 posts)
28. 3 Republican Senators can pretend to care and the vote will still pass 51 - 50 with Vance casting the deciding vote.
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 08:37 PM
Jun 29

But, we all know none of them really care about the American People.
The only problem could arise if 2 of them think they're casting the 3rd "No" vote, and the bill accidentally goes down 49 to 51.
Then they'd have to have a second vote to fix it.
The optics on that would be so embarrassing.

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