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Historic NY

(39,078 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 01:45 AM 22 hrs ago

Suspected gunman found dead after fatal shooting of Idaho firefighters: Live Updates

Source: NBC News

Authorities searching for the shooter noticed a cellphone signal had been active on Canfield Mountain during the time the gunman was there, Sheriff Bob Norris said.

"We had a cell phone activation that was in the same spot since about 3:16 [p.m.], and that it was in the same area," he said at tonight's news conference. "And we honed in on that cellphone, and we saw that there was a male, appeared to be deceased, with a weapon nearby."

Authorities believe the body belongs to the sole shooter in today's violence that killed two firefighters who responded to a brush fire believed to have been set intentionally on the mountain.

Norris said federal authorities pitched in with technology that

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/2-dead-firefighters-ambushed-coeur-dalene-idaho-live-updates-rcna215857

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chowder66

(10,848 posts)
1. Bondi said prayers and FBI Director Kash Patel reposted an earlier message from Bongino
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 04:53 AM
19 hrs ago

Lazy fucks

IronLionZion

(49,293 posts)
3. No thoughts, just prayers
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 08:03 AM
15 hrs ago

No effort whatsoever for American terrorists murdering firefighters and first responders.

IronLionZion

(49,293 posts)
4. Northern Idaho is a hotbed of white nationalist militia types
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 08:07 AM
15 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Jun 30, 2025, 08:58 AM - Edit history (1)

who have attacked power plants, first responders, and law enforcement before. My guess is it's probably them.

I already saw a DUer go straight to "iT wAs ThE IraNiAns!1!1! OMG"

purple_haze

(259 posts)
12. A lot of people
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 12:02 PM
11 hrs ago

have placed politics as a central part of their personality to the point that that anytime something goes wrong, they need to find a way to associate it with their "enemy"... this is happening on both sides.

IronLionZion

(49,293 posts)
15. Mental illness if white, terrorism if brown
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 12:40 PM
11 hrs ago

Denial of RW and white nationalist terrorism encourages more of it. Way too many people find that preferable to being treated like brown people.

GiqueCee

(2,420 posts)
5. While investigators...
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 08:08 AM
15 hrs ago

... try to figure out what the hell motivates someone to commit such a heinous act, I couldn't help noticing that a critical point seems to have been overlooked. The report said that a rifle was found nearby, but that they did not believe there was another shooter.
Wait a minute... if the rifleman took his own life, the weapon would more than likely still be in his grasp, not "nearby". Which strongly suggests that there was, in fact, a second armed individual, possibly a vigilante or LEO who almost certainly saved more lives by killing the psychopath responsible for the deaths of two firefighters. The location and angle of the fatal wounds would determine conclusively whether or not the killer committed suicide, or was taken out before he could murder more firefighters.
This is murky story, and I hope more detailed clarification will be forthcoming.

Oh, and a minor note to the sheriff, or more likely, the reporter who misheard what he said: "... we homed in on that cell phone..." would be correct, not "honed in". One hones a blade, but homes in on a cell phone signal, just as a homing pigeon finds its own dovecote, or a guided missile finds its target with a homing device. A responsible journalist would know the difference.
Nitpicky, I know, but those of us who are paid to write are obligated to get it right.

onenote

(45,372 posts)
6. Your assumptions are not supported by the data
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 09:18 AM
14 hrs ago

As described below, more often than not, someone committing suicide with a firearm does not have the weapon in their hand when the body is found. In fact, where the firearm is a long gun, the weapon is found in the shooter's hand less than 20% of the time. In a significant majority of cases, the weapon is almost a foot away.

Instead of engaging in conspiracy theories, facts matter.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10208326/

GiqueCee

(2,420 posts)
8. And not enough data...
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 09:31 AM
14 hrs ago

... has been provided to support either contention definitively, hence my stated hope for more clarity. I based my assumption on personal, first-hand observation in which a Marlin lever-action .30-.30 was used. It was not a pretty sight, and there was nothing conspiratorial about the circumstances. But I do appreciate the link, if not the inappropriate innuendoes.

niyad

(124,789 posts)
7. Thank you for those observations, and the correction. Not having had
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 09:20 AM
14 hrs ago

enough caffeine (clearly), I first thought it said "horned in on", looked again, saw "honed", shook my head, as neither made sense.

IronLionZion

(49,293 posts)
9. The recoil from the gun can be enough to wrest it out of the person's hands
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 09:34 AM
14 hrs ago

that is common in suicides. Reality is not quite how it is portrayed in movies/tv.

I agree that the quality of writing in journalism has gone to shit. That's been happening for a lot of years now. Nobody reviews this stuff before publishing.

GiqueCee

(2,420 posts)
13. I've been a gun owner all my adult life...
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 12:25 PM
11 hrs ago

... I'm two years and change shy of 80 and still an expert marksman, so I know a little bit about ballistics. The article used the word, "nearby" when describing the scene, and that's very vague term; it could mean inches or yards away. I doubt that any reporters were allowed near the scene, so the article was light on details. As I said in my reply, the story was murky and a lot more information would help to clarify what might have happened. I know that it's possible for a weapon, particularly a long gun, to remain on the body, if not completely still in the victim's grasp; I've seen it, and a .30 caliber slug makes a mess you never forget.
My whole point was that, give the paltry info disclosed, in may have been premature to state that it was a suicide, and that the possibility that there was someone else present should not be dismissed until they knew more. If the entry wound was in a place that proved suicide conclusively, then fine. But they did not provide such clarification which invites speculation.
I did not expect to swat the wasp's nest of criticism from the first comment I received, so I'm done with this. My sympathies to the families of the firefighters this asshole murdered.
Have a nice day.

Aristus

(70,288 posts)
10. It's fucking Idaho. I'm not guessing there are a lot of cum laude English Studies graduates there.
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 09:38 AM
14 hrs ago

I think grunts and gunfire are the major forms of communication there.

maxsolomon

(36,784 posts)
14. Mrs. Solomon was all "they're saying there are multiple shooters"
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 12:35 PM
11 hrs ago

I said: nope, it's ONE suicidal white male. it always is.

Guess what? It's one suicidal white male.

He wants to make his suicide memorable so everyone will know how much he's been wronged. "You'll know my pain", blah blah.

Why kill firemen? He was probably rejected from that work and bore a grudge.

Skittles

(165,491 posts)
16. notice how those gun humping psycho killers NEVER represent all white males
Mon Jun 30, 2025, 01:35 PM
10 hrs ago

immigrants, POC, gay folk, etc, they ALWAYS represent a LOT of people

also, it's never GUNS! It's always MENTAL HEALTH! Problem is, repukes don't care about mental health issues any more than they care about guns

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