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ancianita

(38,478 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 06:37 AM Friday

Mother Jones: How Do You Know If You're Living Through the Death of an Empire? It's the little things.

...Savage invasions, crushing battlefield defeats, sacked cities, unlucky rulers put to death: These are the kinds of stories that usually come to mind when we think of the end of an empire. They seem appropriate, the climaxes we expect from a narrative of rise, decline, and fall.
We’re all creatures of narrative, whether we think explicitly in those terms or not, and stories are one of the fundamental ways in which we engage with and grasp the meaning of the world. It’s natural that we expect the end of a story—the end of an empire—to have some drama.

The reality is far less exciting. Any political unit sound enough to project its power over a large geographic area for centuries has deep structural roots. Those roots can’t be pulled up in a day or even a year. If an empire seems to topple overnight, it’s certain that the conditions that produced the outcome had been present for a long time—suppurating wounds that finally turned septic enough for the patient to succumb to a sudden trauma.
That’s why the banalities matter. When the real issues come up, healthy states, the ones capable of handling and minimizing everyday dysfunction, have a great deal more capacity to respond than those happily waltzing toward their end. But by the time the obvious, glaring crisis arrives and the true scale of the problem becomes clear, it’s far too late. The disaster—a major crisis of political legitimacy, a pandemic, a climate catastrophe—doesn’t so much break the system as show just how broken the system already was...

Whatever date you pick for the fall of the Roman Empire—...—the relevant fact is that the die was cast long before then. The same will eventually be true of the fall of the United States, assuming there’s anybody left in our climatically uncertain future to write that history. All empires think they’re special, but all empires eventually come to an end. The United States won’t be an exception.

The popular story version of this particular falling empire might focus on a twice-divorced serial philanderer and bullshit artist and make him the villain, rendering his downfall or ultimate triumph the climax of the narrative. But it’s far more likely that the real meat of the issue will be found in a tax code full of sweetheart deals for the ultra-wealthy, the slashed budgets of county public health offices, the lead-contaminated water supplies. And that’s to say nothing of the decades of pointless, self-perpetuating, and almost undiscussed imperial wars that produce no victories but plenty of expenditures in blood and treasure, and a great deal of justified ill will.

Historians will look back at some enormous disaster, either ongoing now or in the decades or centuries to come, and say it was just icing on the cake. The foundation had already been laid long before, in the text of legislation nobody bothered reading, in local elections nobody was following, in speeches nobody thought were important enough to comment on, in a thousand tiny disasters that amounted to a thousand little cuts on the body politic...

We don’t have to wait decades for all this to sink in. The nature of the problem and its scale are clear now, right now, on the cusp of the disaster. Maybe those future historians will look back at this as a crisis weathered, an opportunity to fix what ails us before the tipping point has truly been reached. We can see those thousand cuts now, in all their varied depth and location. Perhaps it’s not yet too late to stanch the bleeding.

https://archive.ph/hUN9k

Still true. This administration could not stanch all of the bleeding. But it tried mightily, while corporate media made sure that very few, if any, knew.

(Note -- Sharing my paid subscription for edification falls under Fair Use._

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Mother Jones: How Do You Know If You're Living Through the Death of an Empire? It's the little things. (Original Post) ancianita Friday OP
K&R Docreed2003 Friday #1
K&R Mother Jones is one of my favourite sources jfz9580m Friday #2
Mine, too. ancianita Friday #4
Agree with all you said jfz9580m Friday #7
Try here. I did it through this page yesterday. ancianita Friday #9
Thanks jfz9580m Friday #11
This article resonates--been reading "SPQR" by M. Beard about ancient Rome. The Roman Republic hit the fan Timeflyer Friday #3
Strong men appeal to the beat down. We can never let ourselves fall for their protection racket. ancianita Friday #5
"We can never let ourselves fall for their protection racket."..yup. They create turmoil and then say mitch96 Friday #12
Yup. ancianita Friday #13
Great article - highly recommend jmbar2 Friday #6
... ancianita Friday #14
Or they elect an orange moron like Donald Trump. Ray Bruns Friday #8
Yes, they mention that in the OP excerpt. ancianita Friday #10
K & R - great article, this was published in the summer of 2020 FakeNoose Friday #15
Right?? ancianita Friday #16

jfz9580m

(15,459 posts)
2. K&R Mother Jones is one of my favourite sources
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:01 AM
Friday

I should probably bite the bullet, stop being a news moocher and sign up for a subscription.
I never remember they exist but every time I read their stuff I am impressed. I have also been impressed with The New Republic in recent years.

I regret every penny I gave to this atrocious thing called Substack. I like some of the writers but Substack itself is icky.

ancianita

(38,478 posts)
4. Mine, too.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:35 AM
Friday

I heartily agree that you should suscribe cuz they're worth every penny.

We're facing behind closed doors decisions, drama narratives, false information and numbers, so it's important that we go to sources that don't erase history, name names and provide numbers and other sources of information.

The best way that evil takes over is for good men to do nothing but stand back and stand by.
Faith and vigilance will not be enough in the moment-to-moment times ahead. We must do what we can for as many as we can for as long as we can.

jfz9580m

(15,459 posts)
7. Agree with all you said
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:48 AM
Friday

I just tried donating a little while back and ran into an error. I will try again tomorrow.

jfz9580m

(15,459 posts)
11. Thanks
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 08:06 AM
Friday

That’s the site that is giving me this error:
“Our system returned the following:
Error processing credit card”

There is nothing wrong with either of the cards I tried. And I tried on both my phones (I have one for e-commerce and one designated solely for work and bank stuff). Both are flipping out. I have had this happen before.

I will email them and see what the issue is.
Thanks

Timeflyer

(2,627 posts)
3. This article resonates--been reading "SPQR" by M. Beard about ancient Rome. The Roman Republic hit the fan
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:30 AM
Friday

and became a one-man-ruled empire. And Ruth Ben-Ghiat's been warning about the threat of authoritarianism and the dictator's playbook for years. Feel like we're living in a slow-motion civil war that may end the American experiment.

ancianita

(38,478 posts)
5. Strong men appeal to the beat down. We can never let ourselves fall for their protection racket.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:37 AM
Friday

"I will be your protector." THAT kind of protection racket = strongman"solving" of problems the henchman racketeers themselves create.

mitch96

(14,645 posts)
12. "We can never let ourselves fall for their protection racket."..yup. They create turmoil and then say
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 09:34 AM
Friday

only a "strongman" can fix it... It's a quick jump from a messy democracy to calling it "turmoil"
Classic ruzzian tactic... putin does it well...
m

ancianita

(38,478 posts)
13. Yup.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:35 PM
Friday

Absolutely about putin -- it's his ongoing playbook. And now he and the Kremlin are moving into the White House.

jmbar2

(6,085 posts)
6. Great article - highly recommend
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:42 AM
Friday

Thanks Ancianita!

Yet every state and society faces serious challenges. The difference lies in whether the underlying structures are healthy enough to effectively respond to those challenges. Viewed in this light, it’s less the massive earthquake than whether the damaged infrastructure is rebuilt; not the crushing battlefield defeat, but whether competent new recruits and materiel can be found to replace what’s lost; not the feckless, unclothed emperor, but whether the political system can either effectively work around him or remove him from power altogether. Successful states and societies are resilient when faced with serious challenges. Falling empires are not.

FakeNoose

(35,632 posts)
15. K & R - great article, this was published in the summer of 2020
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:48 PM
Friday

It shocks me to reflect how much has happened since then.

Thanks for sharing this!

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