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elleng

(139,023 posts)
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 07:07 PM Mar 16

from Brian Schatz of Hawaii, in response to a constituent letter:

'Trump and the Republicans presented us with a bad choice and a worse choice: a flawed continuing resolution or a shutdown. Both options would produce terrible outcomes, but a shutdown would be more devastating for everyone, especially people in Hawaii. If we entered a shutdown, the Executive Branch would continue to function under the Anti-Deficiency Act, a 19th century law that prohibits federal agencies from spending or obligating funds without funding from Congress. However, the law also would have provided the administration with authority to determine which federal agencies and workers were essential, which agencies would be shuttered, and which workers would be furloughed. This could have provided an excuse for President Trump, Elon Musk, and Office of Management and Budget Director Russ Vought to fire all of those furloughed federal workers, and never restart many important federal services that we rely on.

In addition, a shutdown would have significantly hurt our ability to push back against the illegal actions by Trump and Musk. The flexibility they would have under the Anti-Deficiency Act would make it more difficult for Congress to stop their efforts to dismantle the federal government during the course of the shutdown. Importantly, in a government shutdown, action through the courts would significantly slow as courts deplete their funding and are forced to make difficult staffing decisions. And after a time, the courts would have to close. Without the checks from the judicial and legislative branches, this administration would increasingly run wild throughout the government, all with no guarantee of a better congressional spending bill in the end. Given the number of federal workers in Hawaii, mass furloughs and potential firings would be deeply painful for people across the state.
We're in a fight for democracy itself. We can't let disagreements about strategy and tactics divide us.'

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hlthe2b

(108,888 posts)
2. Okay. Did that prevent you from MESSAGING on that point? Instead what we got was
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 07:16 PM
Mar 16

a NYT opinion piece from Schumer (right, that will get the masses going ) and MSM coverage of him with Trump smiling and laughing RIGHT AFTER Trump had debased him and claimed he was no Jew, but a terrorist.

So, did the "rapid response war room" finally get some words together 48 hours LATER? Is there NO ONE that Chuck Schumer will ALLOW to speak on the issue to avoid our looking like supplicants and cowards?

 
3. Brian Schatz is BSing his constituents
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 07:27 PM
Mar 16

Bottom Line, if Trump wanted to immediately shutdown and eliminate the federal government, he wouldn’t have whipped votes to pass the CR in the US House!! He could have allowed the federal government to simply shutdown and then picked which agencies to open back up!! Brian Schatz is spinning a fairy tale!! Trump needs legal protection to continue to do what he’s doing now, and the idiots in the Senate Democratic Caucus simply wanted to go recess to do their fundraising, media blitz, vacations, and book tours!!

lapucelle

(19,957 posts)
6. That makes no sense. A president cannot unilaterally shut down the government, including the federal courts.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:24 AM
Mar 17

The onerous CR was the bait.

Democrats didn't take it.

LymphocyteLover

(7,666 posts)
5. I think he spells out good reasons for voting to break the filibuster and avoid a shutdown.
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 09:43 PM
Mar 16

Nonetheless the main problem IMO is that he and the other senate Dems who voted to break the filibuster broke the deal they had with the House. The stabbed House Dems in the back and broke the unified front on this bill.

lees1975

(6,370 posts)
9. I listen to Schatz and to Cortez-Masto, and they both said basically the same thing.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:22 PM
Mar 17

Bottom line, for whatever reason, they preferred to give Trump what he wanted than to resist. Because a shut-down doesn't give him all he asked for. It's not the executive branch that starts and stops federal services.

Not buying this at all.

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