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Mr. Sparkle

(3,601 posts)
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 12:18 PM Friday

It's time to accept that the US supreme court is illegitimate and must be replaced

The justices of the US supreme court – even its conservatives – have traditionally valued their institution’s own standing. John Roberts, the current US chief justice, has always been praised – even by liberals – as a staunch advocate of the court’s image as a neutral arbiter. For decades, Americans believed the court soared above the fray of partisan contestation.No more. In Donald Trump’s second term, the supreme court’s conservative supermajority has seized the opportunity to empower the nation’s chief executive. In response, public approval of the court has collapsed. The question is what it means for liberals to catch up to this new reality of a court that willingly tanks its own legitimacy. Eager to realize cherished goals of assigning power to the president and arrogating as much for itself, the conservative justices seemingly no longer care what the public or the legal community think of the court’s actions. Too often, though, liberals are responding with nostalgia for a court that cares about its high standing. There is a much better option: to grasp the opportunity to set right the supreme court’s role in US democracy.

Attention to the body’s legitimacy surged in the decades after the extraordinary discussion on the topic in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v Casey – the 1992 case that memorably preserved the abortion rights minted in Roe v Wade despite recent conservative additions to the court. “The Court’s power lies in its legitimacy,” former justices Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O’Connor and David Souter explained in their joint opinion, “a product of substance and perception that shows itself in the people’s acceptance of the Judiciary as fit to determine what the Nation’s law means and to declare what it demands”. The fact of popular acceptance of the institution’s role was itself a constitutional and legal concern.

Compared with the prior quarter-century, when they angled for just one justice (often Kennedy) to swing to their side, it was already clear as Trump’s first term ended how much was going to change with Amy Coney Barrett’s conservative substitution for Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Yet liberal justices generally proceeded as if their conservative peers would continue to take their own institution’s legitimacy seriously. They focused on warning conservatives against further eroding it. The dissent in Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which removed the federal right to abortion, is a classic example. The liberal justices lionized Kennedy and other conservatives for refusing to overturn Roe v Wade out of the need they cited in Casey to maintain the supreme court’s image.

That was then. In Trump’s second term, the court has ceded to him near total control over federal spending, even as the president is now openly threatening to withhold funds from “blue” states and projects not aligned with administrative “priorities”. Authorized by the court to engage in racial profiling, masked federal agents continue to descend upon “Democrat-run” cities, subjecting Latinos and now Somalis to ongoing abuse.

more... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/19/us-supreme-court-legitimacy

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It's time to accept that the US supreme court is illegitimate and must be replaced (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Friday OP
How? Realistically, not hypothetically. Ocelot II Friday #1
How can we accept this illegitimate body? ck4829 Friday #3
What, realistically, can be done about it? Ocelot II Friday #4
Good question - Have the American people become so weak that we can no longer stand up to corruption? ck4829 Friday #5
This Supreme Court should be renamed the anti citizens democracy court kimbutgar Friday #2
Can the next Democratic president do this PJMcK Friday #6
The legal authority to expand the court rests with Congress and not the president. Mister Ed Friday #8
Thanks for that information PJMcK Friday #9
The genesis of the Court of Corruption: Mister Ed Friday #7
SC reform could marginalize the Corrupt 6 duckworth969 Friday #10
Win elections. Silent Type Friday #11
A few ideas RetiredParatrooper Friday #12

ck4829

(37,390 posts)
5. Good question - Have the American people become so weak that we can no longer stand up to corruption?
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 12:37 PM
Friday

The Revolutionary War, the Underground Railroad, the Civil Rights movement, the Gay Rights movement, and now... Oh God, we'll do whatever you say. You are our gods!

What happened?

kimbutgar

(26,679 posts)
2. This Supreme Court should be renamed the anti citizens democracy court
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 12:28 PM
Friday

They ruled to let money and allow the wealthy take over our elections and put in those who will give them tax cuts while destroying our democracy and reputation.

Citizens United was one of the worst rulings this Supreme Court has done in the 21st century !

PJMcK

(24,635 posts)
6. Can the next Democratic president do this
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 01:07 PM
Friday

Expand the Court to 13 thus making the Psychotic Six irrelevant.

Additionally, can corruption charges be brought against Thomas and Alito and even Kavenaugh? The next Democratic President and Congress MUST act forcefully to rid our government of these corrupt individuals!

Mister Ed

(6,788 posts)
8. The legal authority to expand the court rests with Congress and not the president.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 01:13 PM
Friday

And alas, it would take an almost unimaginable groundswell of public opinion to elect a congress willing to do what is needed.

Mister Ed

(6,788 posts)
7. The genesis of the Court of Corruption:
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 01:09 PM
Friday

George W. Bush was installed as president, in part, by his father's Supreme Court nominees, along with his brother's corrupt and highly partisan secretary of state.

Bush then nominated Roberts and the unabashedly partisan Alito to the court.

Mitch McConnell prevented President Obama's traditionalist, middle-of-the-road, institutionalist nominee, Merrick Garland, from even being voted upon, on the bogus grounds that the nomination came as Obama was beginning the final year of his term.

Thus, Donald Trump, after losing the popular vote but winning the electoral college, was free to nominate right-wing activist Neil Gorsuch to the court instead.

Trump appeared to successfully pressure swing-voter Anthony Kennedy to resign from the court, making way for his nomination of the beer-guzzling Brett Kavanaugh, despite allegations of Kavanaugh's history of sexual misconduct.

Finally, upon the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the same Senate Majority Leader who had once proclaimed that nominees should not be considered in an election year rushed Trump's nominee for Ginsburg's replacement through the senate, with scant weeks remaining in Trump's term, and with voting already underway!

So yes, this court is utterly illegitimate. Its ill-gained right-wing supermajority now issues decrees at whim, often without even bothering to write an opinion, and often fast-tracking cases the cases it wishes to through the "shadow docket". It has dropped all pretense of legitimacy.

duckworth969

(1,111 posts)
10. SC reform could marginalize the Corrupt 6
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 01:23 PM
Friday

1) Expand court to 13, one for each district.
2) Term limits and/or “age outs”
3) After Supreme Court has 13 members, establish a rotation system that uses only 9 on the bench at any given moment. 4 justices would be “on deck”, or assigned other duties until their rotation is due to begin.
4) Chief Justice gavel should be passed around.

-This is essential because of the damage one person could do over decades with their own ideology. Roberts is complicit, some would say pivotal, in the destruction of our democratic institutions.

12. A few ideas
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 05:48 PM
Friday

1. Expand the Court to 13, with senior judge out every two years.
2. 26 year term limit.
3. Federalist Society trash auto-disqualified.
4. Any nominee is asked if they agree with this statement:
"This Court now concludes that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption."

Agreement is a disqualifier.

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