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LuckyCharms

(23,026 posts)
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:55 PM 18 hrs ago

Phil Lesh on Big Brown

I'm posting this video because this short little riff that Phil is playing on the bass has been stuck in my head for nearly 50 years. I first heard it when I viewed the Grateful Dead movie for the first time.

I hum this all the time while I am working on something. I'm not sure why.

I think that it is a bass line from the song "Morning Dew".

Video is two minutes, ten seconds.



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Phil Lesh on Big Brown (Original Post) LuckyCharms 18 hrs ago OP
Phil uses his hands while talking Niagara 6 hrs ago #1
You do? So do I! LuckyCharms 5 hrs ago #2
I sometimes get very animated while conversing Niagara 5 hrs ago #3
How interesting! That's a great pic, Niagara! LuckyCharms 4 hrs ago #4
Thank you, Lucky Niagara 4 hrs ago #5
He was a tannery worker in a shoe factory... LuckyCharms 4 hrs ago #6
Someone had to make the tans Niagara 3 hrs ago #7
And thank you Niagara... LuckyCharms 2 hrs ago #8
Always my pleasure, Lucky Niagara 2 hrs ago #9

LuckyCharms

(23,026 posts)
2. You do? So do I!
Fri May 8, 2026, 10:55 AM
5 hrs ago

Are you Italian, Niagara?

Ever here that old joke?

How do you get an Italian to shut up?

Make him sit on his hands!

Good morning, Niagara. I hope you are having a nice day.

Niagara

(12,037 posts)
3. I sometimes get very animated while conversing
Fri May 8, 2026, 11:23 AM
5 hrs ago

and my hands are waving and moving. And people are watching my hands maneuver all over the place. It doesn't happen all the time but sometimes I get embarrassed about it.


I don't believe that I'm Italian. My maternal Mayflower ancestor is George Soule. It's all up in the air and no one can determine if his country of origin is England or the Netherlands.




Most of my ancestors are Western European. I have a few that were Indigenous Mashpee Wampanoag, they were the ones that greeted and befriended the 102 Mayflower passengers.

There's quite a bit of what I call "mutt" in my lineage.

Good morning, Lucky. Thank you, I hope that you're having a nice day as well!


LuckyCharms

(23,026 posts)
4. How interesting! That's a great pic, Niagara!
Fri May 8, 2026, 11:43 AM
4 hrs ago


How did we go from Phil Lesh, to talking about ancestry?

I'll post the oldest picture that I have. Both sets of grandparents were from Southern Italy. Going back further, some of my maternal ancestors were from Albania, which borders Greece.

This is my paternal grandfather, after he came here on the boat. Front row, second from the right, white gloves, both hands in lap, moustache.


Niagara

(12,037 posts)
5. Thank you, Lucky
Fri May 8, 2026, 12:15 PM
4 hrs ago

I don't believe it's a picture but a painting of young George Soule. It's always nice to be able to put a name to a face no matter how many centuries ago it was.

It started when I got sidetracked and stated that Phil Lesh talks with his hands just like I do. Then you asked me if I was Italian.

Wow, this is an amazing photo! Thank you for sharing. Is there a significance for the gloves? I also see overalls and apron like articles over pants. Is there a story here with that attire?

LuckyCharms

(23,026 posts)
6. He was a tannery worker in a shoe factory...
Fri May 8, 2026, 12:32 PM
4 hrs ago

The tannery is where they convert raw animal hides into usable leather.

The hides need to be treated with chemicals to make them supple and usable. Hence, they needed to wear a lot of protective clothing.

I never met my grandfather. He died young. He was a diabetic, and he either suffered a fall, or he got in an altercation (I've heard conflicting stories)...whatever happened, he got his nose busted. It never healed and it became infected, and it was the infection that killed him.

Pretty much every one on my dad's side worked that job for at least a brief period of time. My dad did for awhile, he also worked in the kitchen of the shoe factory. Eventually, my dad went off on his own and was self-employed. His brothers and sisters also eventually left the factory. Some then worked different regular jobs, some went into the trades, some became executives.



Niagara

(12,037 posts)
7. Someone had to make the tans
Fri May 8, 2026, 01:34 PM
3 hrs ago

that they needed for leather products.


I'm so sorry that you never met your grandfather. Many people died prematurely from diabetes back when. I recently discovered that a now famous 1800's family had complications with diabetes and that's how they died (this family wasn't famous back in the 1800's).


Those tanning jobs were an honest, respectful and imperative! I'm glad that you know your family history. I think it's fantastic that you shared it, Lucky!

LuckyCharms

(23,026 posts)
8. And thank you Niagara...
Fri May 8, 2026, 01:45 PM
2 hrs ago

for sharing your painting and history. This was an interesting conversation.

Yes, before insulin, basically the only thing they could do for you was to limit your carb intake. That in itself only bought a brief period of time, and ultimately led to death. Insulin was essentially a miracle of modern medicine. I'm sure you have either read the book or saw the movie: Killers of the Flower Moon.

Niagara

(12,037 posts)
9. Always my pleasure, Lucky
Fri May 8, 2026, 02:31 PM
2 hrs ago

Yes, diabetes ran in the Kyle family of the Indigenous Osage. I read the book first and then later watched the movie.



Type 2 diabetes was also problematic for the 1800's Ingalls family. Primarily Caroline, Laura, Carrie and Grace. But Laura was 89 or 90 years old when she was first diagnosed so that's a long life not to be aware of it.

Thankfully, I don't think that Mary Ingalls had diabetes but she had enough health issues as it was.

This absolutely was an interesting conversation.


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